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Topic: How to you it is worked by the manager?

Recently to me suggested to test the manager. Before was the developer, in the total 10 years there are more. Was once on a position  in one of the Petersburg companies. Not so it was pleasant, though it was possible to complete successfully the project (the reasons - combination of a heap of duties, is not enough the people, too quickly changing requirements, constant processings and the full mismatch of a salary the amount  with which had to deal). Now there is a possibility to test on purely management position in the big company in the USA with principal duties in operation with sales, planning, execution of the design plan, hiring and other administrative operation. I understand that I can with it consults, though while this purely speculative impression after passage of several internal courses and conversations with pair my former chiefs. So it would be very interesting to listen to people passed of developers in managers. C interesting that it would be desirable to hear: 1. (For working) it is how much difficult to find operation In Russia software development the manager? This question is interesting, since I do not eliminate that I will return reversely to Russia in two-three years. 2. How much operation by the manager of the team of developers can be more interesting on money - we admit in Peter-Moscow? 3. What you most of all do not love in the operation? 4. Processings are how much frequent for you, i.e. whether often you work much more 40 hours per week?

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Re: How to you it is worked by the manager?

Hello, tmux, you wrote:  managers, those which , are normally parallel  programmers. On my observations, programmers normally have possibility to receive more money, than . But at ' (in the big company) there are more than chances (the probability of it is distinct from zero on hardly the big value, than at programmers) to grow to the simple manager and to rise over . On the other hand,  are more vulnerable, loss of operation for them is more terrible, there is a degradation in technical questions, sometimes strong enough.

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Re: How to you it is worked by the manager?

Hello, tmux, you wrote: T> 1. (For working) it is how much difficult to find operation In Russia software development the manager? This question is interesting, since I do not eliminate that I will return reversely to Russia in two-three years. Good people find, and so - it is necessary to look a portfolio and other. T> 2. How much operation by the manager of the team of developers can be more interesting on money - we admit in Peter-Moscow? What means - the manager of the team of developers? The technical leader - that who developers , or  - the representative from subdividing business in a command which explains  what to do, discharges it from paper operation, but thus not  anybody. T> 3. What you most of all do not love in the operation? Reports and meetings? T> 4. Processings are how much frequent for you, i.e. whether often you work much more 40 hours per week? Was specific at me - often enough.

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Hello, Nik, you wrote: N> Hello, tmux, you wrote: T>> 1. (For working) it is how much difficult to find operation In Russia software development the manager? This question is interesting, since I do not eliminate that I will return reversely to Russia in two-three years. N> good people find, and so - it is necessary to look a portfolio and other. Well, I so understand it nevertheless more difficult, than to find operation by the programmer. T>> 2. How much operation by the manager of the team of developers can be more interesting on money - we admit in Peter-Moscow? N> that means - the manager of the team of developers? The technical leader - that who developers , or  - the representative from subdividing business in a command which explains  what to do, discharges it from paper operation, but thus not  anybody. Yes, small confusion. I meant - the manager but which duties include besides actually technical prophetic (tasks to developers, development process determination, etc.) Still administrative things as an assessment of works developers in a command, hiring of people in a command. Anyway it is duties on that position which to me it is offered T>> 3. What you most of all do not love in the operation? N> Reports and meetings? Clearly T>> 4. Processings are how much frequent for you, i.e. whether often you work much more 40 hours per week? N> it is is specific at me - often enough. And on sensations - this operation (well there where you work) in essence cannot be made within 8 hour working days?

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Hello, tmux, you wrote: T> Recently to me suggested to test the manager. A word the manager normally causes a negative, it is better to be called  or the principal at the worst. T> before was the developer, in the total 10 years there are more. Was once on a position  in one of the Petersburg companies. Not so it was pleasant, though it was possible to complete successfully the project (the reasons - combination of a heap of duties, is not enough the people, too quickly changing requirements, constant processings and the full mismatch of a salary the amount  with which had to deal). Well actually here all that was not pleasant will be repeat. Requirements both were  and will change. A heap of duties similarly. Always it is not enough people, since always it is more than tasks. The more the it is more than people  - replaceability, conflicts, , singularities of everyone in operation. T> Now there is a possibility to test on purely management position in the big company in the USA with principal duties in operation with sales, planning, execution of the design plan, hiring and other administrative operation. . But for the sake of the USA it is possible agrees. T> I understand that I can with it consults, though while this purely speculative impression after passage of several internal courses and conversations with pair my former chiefs. T> so it would be very interesting to listen to people passed of developers in managers. T> C interesting that it would be desirable to hear: T> 1. (For working) it is how much difficult to find operation In Russia software development the manager? This question is interesting, since I do not eliminate that I will return reversely to Russia in two-three years. The manager it is possible, but as a rule it is more manager - problem to consider of it. The project head in the true sense of the word as a rule it is not accepted (few vacancies), and requirements there serious. T> 2. How much operation by the manager of the team of developers can be more interesting on money - is admissible in Peter-Moscow? Normally if it without technical skills purely manager that see item 1 the manager, normally on the contrary is cheaper. T> 3. What you most of all do not love in the operation? All that is not connected immediately to development. Reports, meetings, and so forth T> 4. Processings are how much frequent for you, i.e. whether often you work much more 40 hours per week? Processings are not present. But there is an insomnia

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Re: How to you it is worked by the manager?

Hello, tmux, you wrote: T>>> 1. (For working) it is how much difficult to find operation In Russia software development the manager? This question is interesting, since I do not eliminate that I will return reversely to Russia in two-three years. N>> good people find, and so - it is necessary to look a portfolio and other. T> well, I so understand it nevertheless more difficult, than to find operation by the programmer. To you  or to go? It is difficult to find operation where it turns out to lift a maximum of money where will have interesting possibilities, comfort, etc. And  as that - at all a problem, expose a price in 50 and for you in queue will be built. In Russia, seemingly, that dispersion  very big, on similar positions. T>>> 2. How much operation by the manager of the team of developers can be more interesting on money - we admit in Peter-Moscow? N>> that means - the manager of the team of developers? The technical leader - that who developers , or  - the representative from subdividing business in a command which explains  what to do, discharges it from paper operation, but thus not  anybody. T> yes, small confusion. I meant - the manager but which duties include besides actually technical prophetic (tasks to developers, development process determination, etc.) Still administrative things as an assessment of works developers in a command, hiring of people in a command. Anyway it is duties on that position which to me it is offered On mine, it is typical  a position. I same am engaged. T>>> 4. Processings are how much frequent for you, i.e. whether often you work much more 40 hours per week? N>> it is is specific at me - often enough. T> and on sensations - this operation (well there where you work) in essence cannot be made within 8 hour working days? I entirely itself define how many to me to work, when and than to be engaged. And processings arise from a disorder and responsibility combination - the task should be fulfilled, and if suffered a hogwash in the morning - that will sit yet . Upon graphics free, but it is not simple so

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Hello, tmux, you wrote: T> C interesting that it would be desirable to hear: T> 1. (For working) it is how much difficult to find operation In Russia software development the manager? This question is interesting, since I do not eliminate that I will return reversely to Russia in two-three years. It is possible to find. I searched for operation by the manager in the spring, sentences sufficed. Till now send . T> 2. How much operation by the manager of the team of developers can be more interesting on money - we admit in Peter-Moscow? More interesting, than what? And, by the way, the manager - it the manager not "design teams", and something another. The project head, the chief of department. T> 3. What you most of all do not love in the operation? Some people T> 4. Processings are how much frequent for you, i.e. whether often you work much more 40 hours per week? At me it is a rarity, but there and then nearby there are managers who hardly probable do not sleep on operation. It strongly depends on how you will organize operation in the zone of responsibility.

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Hello, tmux, you wrote: T> So it would be very interesting to listen to people passed of developers in managers. It about me.> 15 years of the experience in commercial software development, from them the last 4 manager, before 5 architect. T> C interesting that it would be desirable to hear: T> 1. (For working) it is how much difficult to find operation In Russia software development the manager? It is simple, if you understand that such to control people. In the market it is not enough good principals, time of filling of vacancies - some months. The last time (about three years ago) I spent for job search of less week. T> 2. How much operation by the manager of the team of developers can be more interesting on money - we admit in Peter-Moscow? Time in ones and a half-two. T> 3. What you most of all do not love in the operation? In the large company it always a policy considerable quantity. Not all people with whom it is necessary to work, are professionals: The companies which have endured rapid growth, frequently in  management have veterans who grew from development, but have no adequate administrative qualities and badly understanding the role as lubrication of ineffective business processes (i.e. without ability to listen, resolve conflicts, motivate and delegate). It is good, if between you and such person there is an arbitrator a rank above. If such arbitrator is not present, or it is too highly (for example, in case of the conflict between the different organizations - we tell, between the finance and R&D), search of the comprehensible decision considering another's career ambitions and various cockroaches, can occupy week. T> 4. Processings are how much frequent for you, i.e. whether often you work much more 40 hours per week? Rarely. Processings - a sign of an inefficiency of management.

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Re: How to you it is worked by the manager?

Hello, 0x7be, you wrote: 0> And, by the way, the manager - it the manager not "design teams", and something another. Depends from . the companies. In it can not be departments, but there can be a position of the principal of development team of a certain product (and it not PM, neither in sense of projects, nor in sense of products).

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Re: How to you it is worked by the manager?

Hello, Baudolino, you wrote: 0>> And, by the way, the manager - it the manager not "design teams", and something another. B> depends from . the companies. In it can not be departments, but there can be a position of the principal of development team of a certain product (and it not PM, neither in sense of projects, nor in sense of products). Well, even it is terminologically accepted to name it not the manager, and .

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Hello, 0x7be, you wrote: 0> Hello, Baudolino, you wrote: 0> Well, even it is terminologically accepted to name it not the manager, and . Yes is not present, these are different positions in many companies. Is software engineering manager, and under it can be one or the several , carrying out an operative manual of a command and participating in development (as sergeants or  at the lieutenant).

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T> 1. (For working) it is how much difficult to find operation In Russia software development the manager? This question is interesting, since I do not eliminate that I will return reversely to Russia in two-three years. T> 2. How much operation by the manager of the team of developers can be more interesting on money - we admit in Peter-Moscow? T> 3. What you most of all do not love in the operation? T> 4. Processings are how much frequent for you, i.e. whether often you work much more 40 hours per week? I would divide potential employers into 2 categories 1. Offices which are engaged in software development. 2. Offices which have a development team which work in interests of others,  subdividings (the same banks) In them a situation (on my observations) a little excellent. Differences in the relation to development (for the second category development are the expenditures, necessary harm, for the first is a potential profit), in the relation to processings (in the first category of processing happen periodically before deadlines, in the second - depending on a company policy), in subordination structure. Though it is a lot of and the general moments.

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Re: How to you it is worked by the manager?

Hello, Baudolino, you wrote: B>... Thanks for the answer! It would be desirable to ask still a question - if to present that you employ the manager in the company - as you understand that this person - what is necessary to you? On interview you pay attention to what markers? Your judgement would be interesting. I for myself tried to answer the question - my variant: 1. A portfolio of successful projects 2. (Whenever possible) Responses of the former subordinates and principals 3. Questions on check of ability of planning, documentation and report writing under the project, ability to justify a position or any decision by means of the facts, digits...

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Hello, Sammo, you wrote: T>> 1. (For working) it is how much difficult to find operation In Russia software development the manager? This question is interesting, since I do not eliminate that I will return reversely to Russia in two-three years. T>> 2. How much operation by the manager of the team of developers can be more interesting on money - we admit in Peter-Moscow? T>> 3. What you most of all do not love in the operation? T>> 4. Processings are how much frequent for you, i.e. whether often you work much more 40 hours per week? S> I would divide potential employers into 2 categories S> 1. Offices which are engaged in software development. S> 2. Offices which have a development team which work in interests of others,  subdividings (the same banks) S> In them a situation (on my observations) a little excellent. Differences in the relation to development (for the second category development are the expenditures, necessary harm, for the first is a potential profit), in the relation to processings (in the first category of processing happen periodically before deadlines, in the second - depending on a company policy), in subordination structure. S> though it is a lot of and the general moments. The pattern with 1st category is approximately clear. It would be interesting to learn which managers search for offices of 2nd category? How they understand, what the person coming on a post - the one who is necessary to them? And how they estimate (not in an ideal, and in practice) overall performance of managers?

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Hello, tmux, you wrote: T> It would be desirable to ask still a question - if to present that you employ the manager in the company - as you understand that this person - what is necessary to you? T> on interview you pay attention to what markers? Nonspecific markers: 1. Punctuality. It is impossible to be late for interview. If for any good reason it can happen (road accident, serious failure in public transport operation, etc.) It is necessary to notify in advance, i.e. a minimum for 15-20 minutes, reasonably estimating and informing new time. This general rule for the organization of meetings which it is necessary to show from the first contact to the potential employer. Anything terrible if personal circumstances lead to a canceling of interview and transfer the next day and if thus the candidate manages to arrange it correctly. 2. Literacy (Russian and English, oral and written speech). Literacy is estimated not only in conversation, but also in reading of the materials given by the candidate - the abstract, documentation examples, etc. English at level not more low upper intermediate - is necessary! 3. Politeness. I prefer the formal dialogue on "you" between strangers and strongly I do not love sudden passages to "you" without the preliminary arrangement. The mobile phone should be ungeared - if the person waits for an important call for any reason, about it it is necessary to notify in advance and to apologize, as time spent for a call on interview, is time of all its participants. T> your judgement would be interesting. I for myself tried to answer the question - my variant: T> 1. A portfolio of successful projects Yes, always interesting that the person achieved that introduced itself with what learned to work. T> 2. (Whenever possible) Responses of the former subordinates and principals interesting, but not always probably to receive. All such responses, as a rule, transit through the candidate (at least, it supervises the contact list), therefore they always positive and it is necessary to read between lines, analyzing what exactly in the candidate praise and what preferred to hold back. T> 3. Questions on check of ability of planning, documentation and report writing under the project, ability to justify a position or any decision by means of the facts, digits... I personally consider an openness and readiness to justify the decision very important quality, therefore really I ask questions on this subject. I have a dial-up of modeling cases from practice which I give to candidates and offer  about their actions in these situations. Flow criterion is the amount of attention which the candidate gives communications with subordinates and counterparts and to the analysis of their needs (customers, accessory manufacturers, a manual, etc.) Planning, writing of the documentation and the reporting under the project separate subjects on my interviews are not - more knowledge and understanding of process in whole (here knowledge PMBoK and methodologies Agile if it proves to be true ability to explain why strongly helps and what for in methodologies there are those or other rules) interests. The Same reports are a form of communications, they are no means always necessary - can be and other forms of transmission of knowledge of a state of affairs and results of operation (it will be healthy if the candidate is capable  of this subject from efficiency and motivation positions).