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Topic: about data storage

All greetings. We assume, development of technologies of data storage reached that the Chinese vendor for the reasonable price (for example, $100) started to sell boxes in which the unlimited number byte is located. That is as the address in not the number of the fixed digit capacity (now fashionably 32 or 64 bits), and a file there is transferred. Transferred byte - APPRX. Transferred kilobyte - suits. Transferred address mbyte - too without problems. Yes though gigabyte. Both we write, and it is readable in style "random access". Speed - not other-wordly, but approximately at level USB-shnyh of flash cards. That fact that dimensionality even  address space strongly exceeds an amount of quarks in the Universe, not should cause categorical "it it is impossible". If a kernel  is not the discrete process, and analog value expressed by a real number in the infinite tail of this number it is theoretically possible (in the presence of skill which a technics question) to store infinitely much . Actually a question: with you to the world of information technologies appearance of such box can cause what changes in ours? It is clear that those tasks which at all had before no decision, become the ordinary. Interesting, what? Well, there will be a possibility to conduct   as in one of series "Black mirror". But it is boring and not so interesting. What powerful and   it would be possible to create, having such artifact?

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Re: about data storage

Hello, Voblin, you wrote: V> Well, there will be a possibility to conduct   as in one of series "Black mirror". But it is boring and not so interesting. What powerful and   it would be possible to create, having such artifact? 1. There are scientific tasks for which decision a lot of place is required. 2. Chess - search of all combinations. And not only chess. But the place can already not suffice.

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Hello, Real 3L0, you wrote: R3> 1. There are scientific tasks for which decision a lot of place is required. Interesting, what? R3> 2. Chess - search of all combinations. And not only chess. But the place can already not suffice. Chess does not suit. We not rate of fire of the processor directed in infinity, and memory capacity. Or through   we also have a possibility to nullify an operating time of some algorithms?

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Hello, Voblin, you wrote: V> it is clear that those tasks which at all had before no decision, become the ordinary. Interesting, what? The data storage principle - only record changes. Instead of file change - creation new. Instead of removal - concealment.

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Hello, Voblin, you wrote: R3>> 1. There are scientific tasks for which decision a lot of place is required. V> it is interesting, what?, one of these days transversed news about search of prime numbers by the sieve of Eratosthenes. R3>> 2. Chess - search of all combinations. And not only chess. But the place can already not suffice. V> chess does not suit. We not rate of fire of the processor directed in infinity, and memory capacity. Speed is not necessary: it will be simple search in a DB on a combination hash on a board and obtaining of a following course. Will long fill such DB, but as I understand, now a problem not in time, and in a place. V> or through   we also have a possibility to nullify an operating time of some algorithms? As a matter of fact - yes. For example, any calculations on which time is necessary, become once and give all the best in a DB with an easy approach. Hence, it is enough to following user to make search, without calculation.

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Hello, Voblin, you wrote: V> Well, there will be a possibility to conduct   as in one of series "Black mirror". But it is boring and not so interesting. What powerful and   it would be possible to create, having such artifact? An Internet copy, certainly. Well or a film library / . One problem: other box for $100 in which the unlimited number of gigahertz is located is necessary to read. Because V> both we write, and it is readable in style "random access". Speed - not other-wordly, but approximately at level USB-shnyh of flash cards. The recording capability to arbitrary big address with latency of present flash cards as though hints that  buses too should correspond. If it is serious - boxes look here so (well, or dev/null for optimists). Find than useful to hammer 300  - come

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Hello, Sinix, you wrote: S> Find than useful to hammer 300  - come Yes simply collections of favourite serials in FullHD - hammers in 10 times on 300TB.

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Hello, Real 3L0, you wrote: R3> As a matter of fact - yes. For example, any calculations on which time is necessary, become once and give all the best in a DB with an easy approach. Hence, it is enough to following user to make search, without calculation. By the way, yes. There is a manufacture industry on sale of the precalculated data. Which then kills the invention of technology of copying at one stroke all contents from one carrier on another

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Hello, Real 3L0, you wrote: R3> the data storage principle - only record Changes. Instead of file change - creation new. Instead of removal - concealment. Well, this imagination already partially became a reality. Somewhere at me rolled  whitepaper in which the architecture of their storages is described. It at them is optimized under adding and data reading, and removal and change operations generally are considered not necessary and strongly not recommended to usage. If it is interesting, I can try to look for a reference. Yes, of course, by default included on file system and anything the in addition not standing option "time machine" is is tasty.

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Hello, netch80, you wrote: S>> Find than useful to hammer 300  - come N> Yes simply collections of favourite serials in FullHD - hammers in 10 times on 300TB. Than useful:p we Take Santa Barbara, only 1608 hours (c) Google. We consider 1 hour ~ = 10 (, such does not press close), we have only 15 terabyte.  than to occupy remained 285  (if they after santa-barbary still are necessary for us?)

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Hello, Sinix, you wrote: S> an Internet Copy, certainly. The Internet as ceased to be for a long time already is exceptional world . Now it in a greater degree the dialogue environment. And it, the environment to flood on the carrier of sense is not present any. S> well or a film library / . With films and music already now a problem not in having, and in having time S> Find than useful to hammer 300  - come Once was considered that 640 kilobyte is enough for any applications

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Hello, Voblin, you wrote: S>> an Internet Copy, certainly. V> the Internet as ceased to be for a long time already is exceptional world . Now it in a greater degree the dialogue environment. And it, the environment to flood on the carrier of sense is not present any. Oh, type of typical interlocutors on the infinite carrier to flood - a problem (the answer No3760854b-3cef-4b41-9da1-63c43d3ee792). S>> Find than useful to hammer 300  - come V> Once was considered that 640 kilobyte is enough for any applications And  yes, bytes then were , I on names knew all of them ().

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Hello, Sinix, you wrote: S> than:p It is useful for useful regarding time saving: wanted to look - you look, instead of you search. S> we Take Santa Barbara, only 1608 hours (c) Google. We consider 1 hour ~ = 10 (, such does not press close), we have only 15 terabyte. If , 20-40. S> Ok than to occupy remained 285  (if they after santa-barbary still are necessary for us?) it is possible to adjust on downloading of all successively with __, besides, for time saving then at once to look, instead of to download - on how many to you 300 Tb suffices? Generally, judging by my experience, 1 Tb a mode "delivered on downloading, I will look then" - it is hammered for some months.

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Hello, Voblin, you wrote: V> Yes, of course, by default included on file system and anything the in addition not standing option "time machine" is is tasty. It while with other interests is not intersected. Here I have ciphered data, and here, in the encryption algorithm found vulnerability, well or simply invented the quantum computer capable during comprehensible time of them to decrypt. And it is impossible to delete, all courses are written down, how with it to be?

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Hello, Sinix, you wrote: S> Oh, type of typical interlocutors on the infinite carrier to flood - problem S> (the answer No3760854b-3cef-4b41-9da1-63c43d3ee792). Whose GUID?" Typical "- yes, not a problem but to whom they such beautiful are necessary? S> and  yes, bytes then were , I on names knew all of them (). When at me is closer to the end 90 there was a hard on 1.5, it was very interesting to me to store on it everyones . Well it is correct, the Internet was a wonder. And then the numeral syndrome of Pljushkina somehow by itself resolved. The last bastion is a collection favourite mp3-shek in an any way it turns out that the only thing that it is rather necessary to have is a personal archive, and all remaining need to be able to be found at need origin. The same favourite serials which were once downloaded, now at an output of a new season  online. Because by experience it is noted that on the second circle of anything from available serials it has not been looked stupidly never. So limit removal on data storage should give any shaking  a scoring (should give), but is exact not in that direction that now the size of a collected numeral dump would be restricted by nothing.

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Hello, Real 3L0, you wrote: R3> It is possible to adjust on downloading of all successively with __, besides, for time saving then at once to look, instead of to download - on how many to you 300 Tb suffices? For a long time already it is possible to look at once, downloading only titles and the first frames that time practically does not occupy, and  on a course, including it is serial:  on the such do not swear any more. R3> generally, judging by my experience, 1 Tb a mode "delivered on downloading, I will look then" - it is hammered for some months. Only here you will look as a result of only 1/10. A difference only that at great volumes of motivation will not clean the unnecessary.

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Hello, Ops, you wrote: Ops> It while with other interests is not intersected. Here I have ciphered data, and here, in the encryption algorithm found vulnerability, well or simply invented the quantum computer capable during comprehensible time of them to decrypt. And it is impossible to delete, all courses are written down, how with it to be? The bottomless flash card quite to itself admits operation  in zero "from here to here". Anyway full  file system - not such lethal advantage that it would be possible to make a principal counter of a bottomless flash card of it.

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Hello, Voblin, you wrote: V> the Bottomless flash card quite to itself admits operation  in zero "from here to here". V> Anyway full  file system - not such lethal advantage that it would be possible to make a principal counter of a bottomless flash card of it. It is a question not to a flash card, and to the approach "it is deleted nothing". It is sometimes good, but no means always. And it is is specific on a subject, in due time I was engaged in one data collection system, them was for those times much, and all of them went to archive, at first generally on CD and on a tape. Here then such box could be good help. For certain somewhere and now there are similar tasks, but most likely it is any narrow areas.

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Hello, Voblin, you wrote: Ops>> It while with other interests is not intersected. Here I have ciphered data, and here, in the encryption algorithm found vulnerability, well or simply invented the quantum computer capable during comprehensible time of them to decrypt. And it is impossible to delete, all courses are written down, how with it to be? V> the bottomless flash card quite to itself admits operation  in zero "from here to here". V> Anyway full  file system - not such lethal advantage that it would be possible to make a principal counter of a bottomless flash card of it. It is good, when you supervise all flash cards. And after all such flash card will stand is mandatory in everyone wifi, routers, routers, on firewall on two. How to be dataful  on transit communication centers?

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Hello, Sinix, you wrote: S> If it is serious - boxes look here so (well, or dev/null for optimists). S> find than useful to hammer 300  - come If these boxes $500, and $100 cost not - interpose into table PCs and hammer. I do not know than, but hammer mandatory. P.S. If the question has been delivered about 15 years ago it would be almost in the same form, only would be formulated so - than it is possible to hammer in whole 100 Gb? Well and http://www.mista.ru/merfy/ Purchases aspire to fill all space accessible to storage. Any program aspires to occupy all accessible storage.

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Hello, Ops, you wrote: Ops> For a long time already it is possible to look at once, downloading only titles and the first frames that time practically does not occupy, and  on a course, including it is serial:  on the such do not swear any more. It is not assured that speed of an Internet and stability of distribution suffices for 40 Gb. Ops> Only here you will look as a result of only 1/10. A difference only that at great volumes of motivation will not clean the unnecessary. No, in a mode "now to swing, look then" I 30 minutes look all at least. Then, if it was not pleasant, I delete. Sometimes collects much, what not  and to force itself it would not be desirable to look very much.

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Hello, Pavel Dvorkin, you wrote: PD> http://www.mista.ru/merfy/ PD> Any program aspires to occupy all accessible storage. Here there will be problems, I unsubscribed near the Author: Sinix Date: 29.09 20:28.

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Hello, Sinix, you wrote: S>... S> And, yes that I wanted to tell: companion Savaof,  also take away the USB killer to it is cut by censorship in order to avoid reversal to byte # 10 36. As one character in one film, open your mind spoke. Open the reason new, move apart horizons of customary representations. It is not necessary to try at words "100 horses" to imagine, as the bloody forcemeat prepared from herd of horses, is compressed by monstrous force to be  under a cowl shevrole-lanosa. I even told the recipe of preparation of this potion! Certainly, hypothetical. In this recipe the most important thing is that it in any way does not contradict that pattern of a reality which we know. Yes, if we spend substance or energy for each cell of storage the bottomless flash card is impossible in any way. And it is not important, how many it is spent. At multiplication to infinity any value which is distinct from zero, becomes infinity. In this case a unique variant - identically zero cost (in any sense of this word) an individual cell of storage. Basically, there is much that physical that is measured by real numbers. For example, distance. Distance between two made a pencil  on wooden  - a real number, data capacity it is infinite as this flash card. Of a tree such memory, of course, you will not make. Arrived of depths of space the gamma quantum will already import everyone  in any 20th - 30th sign after a comma. And generally, the space size is not necessary, because, speak, the space is quantized (a subject "the Planck length") is called. And time is not necessary for the same reason, therefore to encode bottomless  in any period of any oscillations too without chances. And here, for example, directions are not quantized. At least, about any steps in anisotropism of our space I did not hear. And it means that information depth of a corner between vectors anything fundamental and quantum is not restricted. A fair set member "R". As far as I understand, a variant with corners - not unique (it simply the first that came to mind), and in this history that the bottomless flash card is not theoretically impossible piece is important only. So circumstances that in our guilty world elements of sets of capacity "R" - never a rarity were added. They, swine such, at us well generally everywhere. So who to us forbids some to take from them for  and to place in the service of information technologies? If I remember ten precepts, among them there is nothing on a subject "Yes do not desire  the infinite capacity".

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Hello, Voblin, you wrote: V> As one character in one film, open your mind spoke... Information depth of a corner between vectors anything fundamental and quantum is not restricted... And here boxes with it looks approximately so. Stop promotion of that it is necessary to whom follows If seriously simply take the usb-modem. By all your criteria approaches, the main thing not to go deep into nuances;)