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Hello, Michael Romanov, you wrote: > But even in this case, availability of capital HIGH SCHOOLS to children from regions will sharply be rolled away on former positions. > Partly, it is the positive moment - now almost all though a little strong children leave regions (I judge under stories of a manual of chairs/faculties About-it specialities).  only those who could/not not wanted/not circumstances / allowed... And are returned reversely after unit study. > But its positivity any doubtful Yes, doubtful. It is more logical to carry out high schools from capital to Kamchatka or to Yeniseisk.

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Hello, Sinix, you wrote: S> It is necessary to have very specific warehouse of thinking that from here this here citations S> S> It is necessary to think and make corrections that high schools, especially high schools very difficult, socially significant high schools, should have entering written examinations, without it it is impossible. S> it is necessary to enter an additional estimation of knowledge of pupils in all subjects upon termination of school, "to change judgement of public consciousness that at school is done the last two years nothing, only we train on Unified State Examination". S> For a complex estimation of knowledge also it is necessary to improve the mechanism of Unified State Examination and to result the total composition in "a classical type", added Vasileva. S> to receive the start message. Simply enough to be able to think.

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Hello, siberia2, you wrote: S> Hello, Michael Romanov, you wrote: >> But even in this case, availability of capital HIGH SCHOOLS to children from regions will sharply be rolled away on former positions. >> Partly, it is the positive moment - now almost all though a little strong children leave regions (I judge under stories of a manual of chairs/faculties About-it specialities).  only those who could/not not wanted/not circumstances / allowed... And are returned reversely after unit study. >> But its positivity any doubtful S> Yes, doubtful. It is more logical to carry out high schools from capital to Kamchatka or to Yeniseisk. With logic at you it was not set,

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Hello, siberia2, you wrote: S> At Unified State Examination at schools of corruption is not present, unlike old system. At least simply because not the school accepts Unified State Examination. For the same reason and in a mountain aul it is impossible to receive the maximum points. And here a gold medal - it is possible. Also it is possible to receive all quintuples at old system (for a box of sweets) S> you simply do not know anything about Unified State Examination, as well as authors of those telecasts, which (transmissions) you . I generally know nothing about Unified State Examination, besides that the wife accepts them every year, and at school. I already directly reflected, where the wife walks every year. : You it,  that not .

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Hello, Kernan, you wrote: K> It is necessary to make simply ALL high schools paid, Correctly, it is possible at once and to enter estates. K> if HIGH SCHOOL good frames let he itself wants to attract pays for specific pupils which grant should suffice on the full payment of training of the student and its residing. In this case all rises at once on the places, will not be  from 100 % of Unified State Examination, there will be it a quality, there will be a competition between high schools, entrance examinations will be not necessary. At us high schools are unprofitable. Whence it money takes? As a result all will be , remarkably, 17th year not far off.

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S> http://jjew.ru/entry/104368/ S> Vasileva suggested to return written entrance examinations in high schools S> to Vasileva the stupid populist. It for the last month lifted all hot subjects of formation and made mass of populist announcements: 1. Against Unified State Examination. 2. Against a word "service" in formation. 3. Against Tolstov. 4. For resetting of educational function in schools. 5. And . If it made of this ten slogans at least 1-3 still it would be possible to consider it for the man of his word and so - only for . As any serious reforms in formation should be begun with Medvedev... Concerning Unified State Examination. Normal HIGH SCHOOLS do not complain. Normal HIGH SCHOOLS type students with good points which perfectly correlate with progress in HIGH SCHOOLS. Complain  HIGH SCHOOLS (type Astrakhan) as earlier to them diffident clever local children who were afraid still got to risk to arrive somewhere in more serious place, and now is not present. Opponents of Unified State Examination what for  every year the most ancient article of any teacher of the Moscow State University though since then Unified State Examination changed also system of its carrying out changed.

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Hello, sharpman, you wrote: >>> But even in this case, availability of capital HIGH SCHOOLS to children from regions will sharply be rolled away on former positions. >>> Partly, it is the positive moment - now almost all though a little strong children leave regions (I judge under stories of a manual of chairs/faculties About-it specialities).  only those who could/not not wanted/not circumstances / allowed... And are returned reversely after unit study. >>> But its positivity any doubtful S>> Yes, doubtful. It is more logical to carry out high schools from capital to Kamchatka or to Yeniseisk. S> with logic at you it was not set,  At me it was set. If you saw logic violation - show!

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Hello, Denwer, you wrote: S>> At Unified State Examination at schools of corruption is not present, unlike old system. At least simply because not the school accepts Unified State Examination. For the same reason and in a mountain aul it is impossible to receive the maximum points. And here a gold medal - it is possible. Also it is possible to receive all quintuples at old system (for a box of sweets) S>> you simply do not know anything about Unified State Examination, as well as authors of those telecasts, which (transmissions) you . D> I generally know nothing about Unified State Examination, besides that the wife accepts them every year, and at school. I already directly reflected, where the wife walks every year. One of region schools is selected as center of delivery of Unified State Examination. Any teacher passing for examination is admitted cannot be.

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Hello, siberia2, you wrote: What the black blot on a subject tag means?

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Hello, IncremenTop, you wrote: K>> It is necessary to make simply ALL high schools paid, IT> it is correct, it is possible at once and to enter estates. Type, how in the USA? Also what there for estates? IT> at us high schools are unprofitable. Whence it money takes?  the American system. And money appear.

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vsb>> Teachers from the Moscow State University complained of sharp lowering of quality of the entrants who have arrived on Unified State Examination. S> 1. Lie S> 2. Teachers  something do not complain. Type not with 32 points, and with 70! Also will be quite happy. Already and with 70 do not correspond. And some with 70 is the full sediment! That else pair-triple years it was not watched back.

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vsb>>>> Teachers from the Moscow State University complained of sharp lowering of quality of the entrants who have arrived on Unified State Examination. S>>> 1. A C lie>> However, truth! Personally heard. Cs>>  entered Russian at the first year, and entrants are not able to write that. S> it entered before Unified State Examination. Also added year of elementary school before Unified State Examination with the same substantiation. And it would be necessary to expel unsuitable teachers from school. Not teachers should be expelled, and system to change. Life defines consciousness, rather the reverse - learned, probably, in youth?

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> Meanwhile, on how many I know, "thousand 100-balnikov from Dagestana/Ingushetii/..." Remained only . You can result specific examples? I can result specific examples of essential lowering of level  . Still pair-triple years back I precisely knew that 70 points and above are our student. Today at us on program engineering the group in which 14 from 15 persons have the general point for 200 studies. Upper - already 250. On the average - 220 approximately. Comparing to former years, I would give to them of points 60 - no more. In former year 60 demanded additional occupations. Provided that the student does not loaf, it sufficed. Already the majority 70-ballnikov should be engaged in addition. Separate copies with  70 points are from a category 32 points. Last year at one not trainee, what the point at it for computer science on Unified State Examination specially took an interest. It appeared - 78! Present, of course, not such scandalous, but gaps in training are visible with open years - though they and have points  70.

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Hello, LaptevVV, you wrote: LVV> I can result specific examples of essential lowering of level  . It and I can. And, falling of level year from a year was noticeable at the time of my students - some years prior to appearance of the project of Unified State Examination. Unified State Examination adds one essential detail - at the expense of simplification of procedure of arrival, it strongly promotes "washing away" of capable children from regions.

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DB> Vasileva the stupid populist. It for the last month lifted all hot subjects of formation and made mass of populist announcements: DB> 1. Against Unified State Examination. Where? Anywhere did not read that it AGAINST Unified State Examination. To reform - yes. But not to cancel. DB> 2. Against a word "service" in formation. And it is correct. Formation - not service. And teamwork of the teacher and the pupil. DB> 3. Against Tolstov. And it who - Tolstov? DB> 4. For resetting of educational function in schools. And it is correct. Especially in the initial. The teacher of initial classes - practically the second mum. I already remember more than 50 years Nina Ivanovnu... DB> 5. And . Was more specific. DB> if it made of this ten slogans at least 1-3 still it would be possible to consider it for the man of his word and so - only for . As any serious reforms in formation should be begun with Medvedev... Quickly only cats are born. How many years reformed - and now want for  reversely? Give ive for three days  the compiler With ++ on With ++ 14. And that - it is elementary after all! DB> Concerning Unified State Examination. Normal HIGH SCHOOLS do not complain. Normal HIGH SCHOOLS type students with good points which perfectly correlate with progress in HIGH SCHOOLS. Complain  HIGH SCHOOLS (type Astrakhan) as earlier to them diffident clever local children who were afraid still got to risk to arrive somewhere in more serious place, and now is not present. Opponents of Unified State Examination what for  every year the most ancient article of any teacher of the Moscow State University though since then Unified State Examination changed also system of its carrying out changed. There is an inflation of points of Unified State Examination. Present 70-ballniki correspond 60-ballnikam 3-4-5- to prescription.

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LVV>> I can result specific examples of essential lowering of level  . > It and I can. And, falling of level year from a year was noticeable at the time of my students - some years prior to appearance of the project of Unified State Examination. > Unified State Examination adds one essential detail - at the expense of simplification of procedure of arrival, it strongly promotes "washing away" of capable children from regions. With it it agree - washing away goes. But also inflation of points - the phenomenon objective. Profile on the mathematician this year is level of normal high school during my time. And, at that time in written examination in a graduation class there were no tasks from the first 10-14 numbers of Unified State Examination. These are 5-6-7 classes.

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Hello, Sinix, you wrote: Well here to tell the truth, the first sentence causes vigilance in me: It is necessary to think and make corrections that high schools, especially high schools very difficult, socially significant high schools, should have entering written examinations, without it it is impossible. Yes, if it is very small group of HIGH SCHOOLS (for example first 20 which and now, on how many I know has additional to Unified State Examination mechanisms of a dial-up of talented children - the same Olympic Games), anything terrible. Yes, to children from cities where these high schools are allocated, it will be slightly easier to make attempt there to arrive. The main thing that practice did not become ubiquitous (then it is the Unified State Examination end). By the way, I do not understand why without it it is impossible

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Hello, Michael Romanov, you wrote: > Well here to tell the truth, the first sentence causes vigilance in me: Well so vigilance, instead of desire to do outputs of universal scale to a basis "a subject I do not own, it is pleasant - means truly" in section about formation Here after all as: problems  are known for all - the last class at school do not learn and train on , the first course in high school do not learn, and transit the school program. But to suffer a hogwash fifteen years and then it is opened in it to admit somehow , therefore went a difficult way. Unified State Examinations smoothly-smoothly transform from the test reversely into examination. The part And is on the sly removed, questions on the sly become less formal, but the general absurdity of questions of type learn a temple on a photo of the tsar or delirium from separate checking "usage of words-synonyms regarding B it is inadmissible" does not remove. With natural sciences it more or less works, with humanitarian - it is clear as. That complicates a situation even more - the system turned out very fragile in respect of quality: any change of the general circuit sharply worsens estimations, the elementary example - a bit complicated ege-2014 on the mathematician and followed  on a subject "your children became sillier" vs "your questions became difficult", refer to "Unified State Examination-sediment". Well and total "you to us the experiments spoil indexes"  does not promote fast changes. In general all agree what to change something it is necessary, but fifteen years of attempts still something to change in system of the average general education without the decision actually problems hunting to change something generally beat off. Therefore changes will be, crying on "to formation which we lost"  will be, any positive changes if will be, at a distant day. Provided that do not throw left unfinished on the middle.

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DB> Vasileva the stupid populist. It for the last month lifted all hot subjects of formation and made mass of populist announcements: DB> 1. Against Unified State Examination. DB> 2. Against a word "service" in formation. DB> 3. Against Tolstov. DB> 4. For resetting of educational function in schools. DB> 5. And . DB> If it made of this ten slogans at least 1-3 still it would be possible to consider it for the man of his word and so - only for . As any serious reforms in formation should be begun with Medvedev... The astronomy on which the majority was joyfully excited is not mentioned. Meanwhile there are simple questions (simple in the sense that them simply to set, answer much more difficult) concerning astronomy introduction in schools: 1. The limiting volume of hours at schoolboys is certain by the law. Adding of a new subject - instead of what subject it we enter? 2. The textbook. It is necessary to write it at first (the Soviet had time to become outdated, simply to reprint it it does not turn out), then to publish. 3. Special teachers of astronomy will not be (goes nobody on a subject at which 1 hour per week per high classes), it is necessary to lead additional preparation of teachers of physics/mathematicians. 4. Where to take money for points 2-3? Generally, it is necessary to understand that Vasileva (as well as Livanov, and everybody on their place) are in objective conditions. The main thing from which: "money is not present" (). Therefore to it only also remains what to make promising statements which, in the main thing, are reduced to "all will be as at the grandmother!", , in the best in the world to the Soviet school! These responses find the liveliest response at Laptev and to, which approximately 80 % from the population. Really it will be necessary to express to it gratitude if it constrains the promise to discharge teachers from paper operation.

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LVV> to Reform - yes. But not to cancel. And without it Unified State Examination reform perfectly goes. There is no initial brothel. Profile examination in mathematics is simply remarkable. It here that got out? LVV> and it who - Tolstov? A lion of Nikolaevich, which. And Dostoevsky there. Here its words: I, for example, am absolutely convinced that from the school program L.Tolstogo's "War and peace", and also Feodor Dostoevsky's some novels need to be removed. These are deep philosophical products, with serious reasonings on different subjects. The child cannot understand all their depth. Who, a pancake, it such to solve, what products to study and what are not present? DB>> 5. And . LVV> is is more specific. Astronomy. And .

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DB> Who, a pancake, it such to solve, what products to study and what are not present? I can not be retained: it the Minister of Education! If it is serious: I am am strained most of all by idea about reset of entrance examinations to high schools. All here consider it more or less abstractly, and at me the child in 10th class. And I already feel that can just organize a surprise by the time of arrival. Change of conditions of game on a game course - the worst that can be.

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TMU> If it is serious: I am am strained most of all by idea about reset of entrance examinations to high schools. All here consider it more or less abstractly, and at me the child in 10th class. And I already feel that can just organize a surprise by the time of arrival. Change of conditions of game on a game course - the worst that can be. Aha. I still understand, what for to Laptev the Unified State Examination canceling is necessary - to receive students better in the  institute. I remember, how I arrived. It would be possible to risk and go to arrive to Moscow, but has not been assured that I will transit. As a result after meditations decided to go to the nearest big city and to try to arrive at first in the strong HIGH SCHOOL, and then in case of failure I still had one more attempt to arrive in HIGH SCHOOL easier. And many children who potentially could arrive in good HIGH SCHOOL as a result remained at home, and arrived there where they transit . Now it is few such problem: You prepare on a maximum, you hand over on a maximum, you arrive by results.

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> Unified State Examination adds one essential detail - at the expense of simplification of procedure of arrival, it strongly promotes "washing away" of capable children from regions. Only not to "washing away", and thanks to Unified State Examination many capable children had a possibility to leave regions.

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Hello, siberia2, you wrote: S> Hello, Denwer, you wrote: S>>> it is At least simple because not the school accepts Unified State Examination. S> one of region schools is selected as center of delivery of Unified State Examination. I that will not understand that, whether this bifurcation personally and dispute itself about failure that? At first it not school, then nevertheless school. S> any teacher passing for examination is admitted cannot be. Aha, at first teachers cannot accept examinations, and already can, but only not at the children. And who told, what should accept at the? That Mahlo, it is impossible to accept at the and it is impossible to accept at a profile subject. For example mathematics teachers put on examination in the literature. But school teachers accept that., instead of HIGH SCHOOL.

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Hello, Michael Romanov, you wrote: > Hello, Denwer, you wrote: D>> And now means there is no corruption at schools at Unified State Examination? > About what corruption at schools (in a Unified State Examination context) there is a speech? About such here when agree with teachers. It very simply to make in small settlements in which all know each other. D>> plus still it is possible to study the last year at school in what  a mountain aul and to get the maximum points on Unified State Examination. > it is precisely possible? > Meanwhile, on how many I know, "thousand 100-balnikov from Dagestana/Ingushetii/..." Remained only . You can result specific examples? > it is similar, to me exactly one case of "draining" of variants of Unified State Examination on the mathematician who happened if I am not mistaken in 2013 is authentically known. All remaining were false. I know personally a little such ' frames ', truth they further the first course did not leave, but on Unified State Examination they got breath-taking points and arrived on prestigious specialities. Thereby from for them normal students simply could not arrive.