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Hello, De-Bill, you wrote: DB> Only not to "washing away", and thanks to Unified State Examination many capable children had a possibility to leave regions. It looking from what side to look. For us, as the companies working in region this washing away. For regional HIGH SCHOOL - it is similar (and, leave not only behind the best , leave behind more ample opportunities then, i.e. go on purpose "" and to remain for ever in Moscow, Peter...).

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S> 2. Teachers  something do not complain. Type not with 32 points, and with 70! Also will be quite happy. In  always, I underline: always, interview, instead of result of Unified State Examination was solving. It allows to select  students. Therefore also do not complain.

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> For us, as the companies working in region this washing away. For regional HIGH SCHOOL - it is similar (and, leave not only behind the best , leave behind more ample opportunities then, i.e. go on purpose "" and to remain for ever in Moscow, Peter...). I look from the point of view of the simple person and its possibilities. So that is clear that some companies would be happy, if in Moscow again entered "limit" on visitors)).

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DB> And without it Unified State Examination reform perfectly goes. There is no initial brothel. Profile examination in mathematics is simply remarkable. It here that got out? Well and it is good. With mathematics understood the Dr. A fiz.-floor-mat. Sciences of Fursenko and the Dr. A fiz.-floor-mat. Sciences of Lebanons. Now the minister the humanist (the Dr. . Sciences) corrects examination in the literature of history and other . And it does not get into mathematics. I, for example, am absolutely convinced that from the school program L.Tolstogo's "War and peace", and also Feodor Dostoevsky's some novels need to be removed. These are deep philosophical products, with serious reasonings on different subjects. The child cannot understand all their depth. DB> who, a pancake, it such to solve, what products to study and what are not present? And who should solve? DB> astronomy. And . Except astronomy in etc. that else enters?

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LVV>> to Reform - yes. But not to cancel. DB> and without it Unified State Examination reform perfectly goes. There is no initial brothel. Profile examination in mathematics is simply remarkable. It here that got out? She did not say that cancels Unified State Examination. So it is not necessary to slander... LVV>> And it who - Tolstov? DB> Lev Nikolaevich, which. And Dostoevsky there. Here its words: the Lion of Nikolaevich it is thick . DB> I, for example, am absolutely convinced that from the school program L.Tolstogo's "War and peace", and also Feodor Dostoevsky's some novels need to be removed. These are deep philosophical products, with serious reasonings on different subjects. The child cannot understand all their depth. DB> who, a pancake, it such to solve, what products to study and what are not present? It - not it. He/she is the head of the Russian Academy of Education And a surname at it absolutely another: Lyudmila Verbitsky http://izvestia.ru/news/635540 DB>>> 5. And . LVV>> Is is more specific. DB> astronomy. And . 1. What bad in astronomy? 2. That is is specific etc. While on yours  I see that you is explicit not in a subject... It is softly told.

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Hello, Sinix, you wrote: Give I will explain. S> Ugu-ugu, professional certificates instead of interviews and industrial release of experts at courses of improvement of qualification completely confirms your judgement As soon as all start to pay for the errors in the most valuable that is - money at once appears  since if the commission took today in HIGH SCHOOL of the person on the grant (which the HIGH SCHOOL should pay) and it did not justify waitings - the HIGH SCHOOL loses money. , the grant should be produced on irrevocable conditions, but it can withdraw, for example. S> S> It is necessary to think and make corrections that high schools, especially high schools very difficult, socially significant high schools, should have entering written examinations, without it it is impossible. S>... S> By words Vasilevoj, now in high schools goes to the first semester "" high school programs. S> to receive the start message. Give also it we consider. Look, on mine a problem   it not a problem of examinations, and a problem of the program of training both at school, and in HIGH SCHOOL. The first, they are not transparent, the second they is basic not . I understand As a transparency  the full availability of the information on course (a subject at school): the amount of hours,  knowledge necessary for  passages of course and, the most important, knowledge which receives the last course the student. Still I would add here the list of references on which the course and   is constructed. In each subject it is necessary to hold testing and examination, but final test at release from school to leave in the form of Unified State Examination and to force to accept its all high schools. On this system it is possible to construct and  in specific schools about activity of specific teachers from high school and finally to bring an attention to the question on the most important in life - how many money it to pay, probably to raise the question about improvement of professional skill or methodology change. You after all took courses on  or ? There there is an information both on the teacher, and on knowledge which are necessary for course passage. The second - synchronization which follows from 1. Now on a difference between level of the first-year student and  schools gain money (or did once), in my opinion it is that other as one of types of corruption and it should be liquidated, for example, entering measures which I described in 1 or Unified State Examination and the uniform standard for graduates. Probably, it makes sense  2-3 profound profile courses which it is possible to select to students at 10-11 classes, but they should teach at all schools and answer item 1. What offers  again he creates the market of preliminary courses and corruption ",  courses? . Then  to it for examination, and operation we it on-that-rja ow that did not dispute" if contest generally is possible.

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S>> Any teacher passing for examination is admitted cannot be. D> aha, at first teachers cannot accept examinations, and already can, but only not at the children. And who told, what should accept at the? That Mahlo, it is impossible to accept at the and it is impossible to accept at a profile subject. For example mathematics teachers put on examination in the literature. But school teachers accept that., instead of HIGH SCHOOL. At us into the commission enter also high school - from our chair. But the chairman - the school teacher of computer science. And teachers school too is...

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DB>> Only not to "washing away", and thanks to Unified State Examination many capable children had a possibility to leave regions. > It looking from what side to look. > For us, as the companies working in region this washing away. For regional HIGH SCHOOL - it is similar (and, leave not only behind the best , leave behind more ample opportunities then, i.e. go on purpose "" and to remain for ever in Moscow, Peter...). Before Unified State Examination we left after the termination. And perfectly all were arranged. Though in Moscow, though in Peter, though behind a hillock. And after Unified State Examination introduction began to leave BEFORE arrival. Though it is clear that are conducted on signboards, instead of on real formation.

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Hello, Michael Romanov, you wrote: > Hello, De-Bill, you wrote: DB>> Only not to "washing away", and thanks to Unified State Examination many capable children had a possibility to leave regions. > It looking from what side to look. > For us, as the companies working in region this washing away. For regional HIGH SCHOOL - it is similar (and, leave not only behind the best , leave behind more ample opportunities then, i.e. go on purpose "" and to remain for ever in Moscow, Peter...). Paid education solves a problem. Produced the grant and obliged return.

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Hello, LaptevVV, you wrote: vsb>>> Teachers from the Moscow State University complained of sharp lowering of quality of the entrants who have arrived on Unified State Examination. S>> 1. Lie S>> 2. Teachers  something do not complain. Type not with 32 points, and with 70! Also will be quite happy. LVV> already and with 70 do not correspond. LVV> and some with 70 is the full sediment! LVV> that else pair-triple years it was not watched back. And input examination at what affairs? Or type with 90 points!

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Hello, LaptevVV, you wrote: Cs>>>  entered Russian at the first year, and entrants are not able to write that. S>> it entered before Unified State Examination. Also added year of elementary school before Unified State Examination with the same substantiation. And it would be necessary to expel unsuitable teachers from school. LVV> not teachers should be expelled, and system to change. Truly. Nowadays you at all are not responsible for result of operation. And ejecting of morons from teaching (system change) quickly corrects a situation.

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Hello, Denwer, you wrote: S>>>> it is At least simple because not the school accepts Unified State Examination. S>> one of region schools is selected as center of delivery of Unified State Examination. D> I that will not understand that, whether this bifurcation personally and dispute itself about failure that? At first it not school, then nevertheless school. This any location. Normally it are served by one of schools. S>> any teacher passing for examination is admitted cannot be. D> aha, at first teachers cannot accept examinations, and already can, but only not at the children. And who told, what should accept at the? That Mahlo, it is impossible to accept at the and it is impossible to accept at a profile subject. For example mathematics teachers put on examination in the literature. But school teachers accept that., instead of HIGH SCHOOL. Teachers there it is simple as clerks, instead of accepting examination. Any officials can be these clerks.

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Hello, Dym On, you wrote: S>> 2. Teachers  something do not complain. Type not with 32 points, and with 70! Also will be quite happy. DO> in  always, I underline: always, interview, instead of result of Unified State Examination was solving. It allows to select  students. Therefore also do not complain. There the highest points on Unified State Examination. Therefore also do not complain. Interview there - not examination. https://mipt.ru/drec/abitur/faq.php Plays a role only for those who on a point is on lower bound on Unified State Examination. 2.8) What lowest passing score at arrival on  and other faculties? On the average, the lowest passing score on  was hardly below 280 points for the last years. For the entrants who had points near to this boundary, especially important role was played by interview. By its results the entrant or was enlisted on , or received a sentence about transfer on other faculty. 2. 10) that such interview? How it transits? The entrant transits interview at that faculty on which it submitted documents. On interview the commission (it representatives of dean's office, institute and basic chairs of faculty, and also a central selection committee make) gets acquainted with the student, general impression about it, its propensities to a science and about expediency of its acceptance on the given faculty is made. Important factors in decision-making by the commission are a score on the mathematician and the physicist, diplomas various (in particular ) the Olympic Games, interest of the student in directions on which there is a preparation at faculty, its achievements in sports, art, technical creativity. The right to such interview  received that a lot of arriving with 90 points and more on Unified State Examination. http://www.abitu.ru/entrance/a_5wbt91.html the entrants who have sent documents by mail, normally do not transit interview

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S>>> It entered before Unified State Examination. Also added year of elementary school before Unified State Examination with the same substantiation. And it would be necessary to expel unsuitable teachers from school. LVV>> not teachers should be expelled, and system to change. S> it is true. Nowadays you at all are not responsible for result of operation. And ejecting of morons from teaching (system change) quickly corrects a situation. Results of operation of school are results of FINAL examinations. Which NOW - are not present. The basic Russian and basic mathematician is a linden, instead of examinations. We handed over 8 final examinations from which mathematics and still something (seem, Russian and the literature) were in two types: written and oral. Results of our (high school) operation is an amount of the let out EXPERTS. A principle - army: you want - we teach, you do not want - we force. And if you do not wish to learn  - went ! And it - is correct.

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S> There the highest points on Unified State Examination. Therefore also do not complain. S> interview there - not examination. https://mipt.ru/drec/abitur/faq.php siberia2, what you know about  and about interview? The highest points of Unified State Examination guarantee nothing. Therefore interview is the major stage, and happens so that the entrant with high points do not take, and with lower take. Whether I know participated in these interviews from the commission from basic chair so it is not necessary to me to tell here as well as that in .

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Hello, LaptevVV, you wrote: S>>>> It entered before Unified State Examination. Also added year of elementary school before Unified State Examination with the same substantiation. And it would be necessary to expel unsuitable teachers from school. LVV>>> not teachers should be expelled, and system to change. S>> it is true. Nowadays you at all are not responsible for result of operation. And ejecting of morons from teaching (system change) quickly corrects a situation. LVV> results of operation of school are results of FINAL examinations. LVV> which NOW - is not present. Uniform Graduation examination is. They it is considered final. LVV> the basic Russian and basic mathematician is a linden, instead of examinations. It not a linden. Means that the person simply not very well sign with a subject. LVV> we handed over 8 final examinations from which mathematics and still something (seem, Russian and the literature) were in two types: written and oral. Also that what you handed over much? LVV> results of our (high school) operation is an amount of the let out EXPERTS. Still there is also an amount. From the good pupil it is possible to prepare something without effort. And even without teachers (to manage textbooks. As ) generally. You try to learn a woodpecker!

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Hello, LaptevVV, you wrote: LVV> Present, of course, not such scandalous, but gaps in training are visible with open years - though they and have points  70. Then type with 80!

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Hello, Michael Romanov, you wrote: > Unified State Examination adds one essential detail - at the expense of simplification of procedure of arrival, it strongly promotes "washing away" of capable children from regions. Most of all it is promoted by a concentration of high schools in capital. Transfer them to Eastern Siberia - and the problem disappears! However, learned on the bachelor already frequently go for a hillock...

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Hello, Michael Romanov, you wrote: > For us, as the companies working in region this washing away. Pay more - and people to you will be pulled! And that here mine (the son-in-law, the daughter, the daughter - in-law and the son) all nowadays at  appeared. At all in Moscow with Peter... Already and to steam of grand daughters to me fixed.

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Hello, Kernan, you wrote: >> For us, as the companies working in region this washing away. For regional HIGH SCHOOL - it is similar (and, leave not only behind the best , leave behind more ample opportunities then, i.e. go on purpose "" and to remain for ever in Moscow, Peter...). K> Paid education solves a problem. Produced the grant and obliged return. Does not solve. To the best pupils this grant produce the Yankee. Institutes WITH  and without any obligations much pay study in NSU. Simply that studied on a place. And  and at all in all pupil on suitable specialities pays the small salary (grant) from the second year. And too without any requirements.

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Hello, Denwer, you wrote: D>>> And now means there is no corruption at schools at Unified State Examination? >> About what corruption at schools (in a Unified State Examination context) there is a speech? D> about such here when agree with teachers. It very simply to make in small settlements in which all know each other. Such the high heads are possible only in Moscow, where too much. D>>> plus still it is possible to study the last year at school in what  a mountain aul and to get the maximum points on Unified State Examination. >> it is precisely possible? >> Meanwhile, on how many I know, "thousand 100-balnikov from Dagestana/Ingushetii/..." Remained only . You can result specific examples? >> it is similar, to me exactly one case of "draining" of variants of Unified State Examination on the mathematician who happened if I am not mistaken in 2013 is authentically known. All remaining were false. D> I know personally a little such ' frames ', truth they further the first course did not leave, but on Unified State Examination they got breath-taking points and arrived on prestigious specialities. Thereby from for them normal students simply could not arrive. Lies. Rural schoolboys carry to pass the Unified State Examination in region

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Hello, Sinix, you wrote: S> Here after all as: problems  are known for all - the last class at school do not learn and train on , the first course in high school do not learn, and transit the school program. Before Unified State Examination the same was equal. It is unique, on Unified State Examination it is impossible to bring (questions are unknown), and at old system trained frankly (questions did not change for years).

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Hello, LaptevVV, you wrote: DB>> Astronomy. And . LVV> 1. What bad in astronomy? Bad - a separate subject (training period increases). Not so it is significant. Enough that is well informed about physics LVV> 2. That Singing, Orthodoxy is is specific etc. I and physical culture threw out, for sports sections suffice. More truly, would leave delivery of specifications and an open classroom on physical culture.