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LVV>> Everyone thinks moderately the perversity: the minister - about examinations, and  - about corruption... S> Siberija simply knows history, unlike >> As I understand minister LVV, to begin not bad with the Moscow State University and Petersburg University. LVV>> these Universities at us "are deduced for staff", and have the right to produce own diplomas. LVV>> here it is possible from them and to begin. S> yes, here they need to be laid down in the same conditions, as remaining high schools. For now their special position only shows that the mother country  plunders colonies. Even laws different for mother country and colonies. All together well works on the next disorder of the country, but in any way on formation. In America as I understand, almost ALL high schools produce own diplomas, instead of American.

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Teachers from the Moscow State University complained of sharp lowering of quality of the entrants who have arrived on Unified State Examination.

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Hello, LaptevVV, you wrote: LVV>>> As I understand, to begin not bad with the Moscow State University and Petersburg University. LVV>>> these Universities at us "are deduced for staff", and have the right to produce own diplomas. LVV>>> here it is possible from them and to begin. S>> yes, here they need to be laid down in the same conditions, as remaining high schools. For now their special position only shows that the mother country  plunders colonies. Even laws different for mother country and colonies. All together well works on the next disorder of the country, but in any way on formation. LVV> in America as I understand, almost ALL high schools produce own diplomas, instead of American. That's it... All wishing, and not just Washington. And financing of the Washington high schools differs nothing from the other.

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Hello, vsb, you wrote: vsb> Teachers from the Moscow State University complained of sharp lowering of quality of the entrants who have arrived on Unified State Examination. 1. A lie 2. Teachers  something do not complain. Type not with 32 points, and with 70! Also will be quite happy.

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S> At Unified State Examination at schools of corruption is not present, unlike old system. At least simply because not the school accepts Unified State Examination. There is a theory, truth for me it sounds a little strange that some teachers specially badly learn, that then or for money to coach, or to advise "acquaintances" who can tighten for Unified State Examination Once again I will underline - I such did not see also the concept (proceeding from familiar teachers) me sounds doubtfully.

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Hello, Sammo, you wrote: S> And I am strongly surprised, if such now was not present - like about it spoke even from the very beginning of start of system of Unified State Examination. Suddenly, just such list now is and works (if did not cancel for last pair-triple years), a quantity of federal HIGH SCHOOLS (the Moscow State University there precisely entered) has the right to conduct Additional Introductory Tests in a profile subject points on which (to 100) are added to points for Unified State Examination (on 100 points a maximum, for 3 subjects). And the minister told (that now each HIGH SCHOOL should have such right. Basically, it would be possible to consider it logical, to teachers specific to HIGH SCHOOL of the person to learn, why it it and not to select, and by it not to be welded on on "preparation" for this examination? Here, for example, it is a lot of graduates of school at Baumanke this year could not type demanded 60 points on the mathematician without which like it would be impossible to arrive even on the paid. And if led, the would not offend. So here the minister, seemingly, wants to return corruption, and beautiful ideas about availability of formation to schoolboys from remote places on the sly to hush up. Besides, that results of operation of schools and teachers should not be estimated by results of Unified State Examination, she told right after assignments. That is idea in that Unified State Examination to leave but that its result on what did not influence. And "eligibility" is saved, and all is returned on initial positions, without independent checks of results alien to us.

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Hello, Sammo, you wrote: S> There is a theory, truth for me it sounds a little strange that some teachers specially badly learn, that then or for money to coach, or to advise "acquaintances" who can tighten for Unified State Examination There is a rule: it is not necessary to search for malicious intention that speaks simple . What for to teachers to learn well? And what for to people who can learn well to work as teachers at schools? Besides in this  then it is necessary to the circuit somehow  the percent from those acquaintances that is badly supervised and provided, but quickly would float.

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Hello, Sammo, you wrote: S>> At Unified State Examination at schools of corruption is not present, unlike old system. At least simply because not the school accepts Unified State Examination. S> there is a theory, truth for me it sounds a little strange that some teachers specially badly learn, that then or for money to coach, or to advise "acquaintances" who can tighten for Unified State Examination quite probably. But it already in any way fault of Unified State Examination. And to tighten on Unified State Examination is all the same to something to teach.

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Hello, siberia2, you wrote: S> Hello, vsb, you wrote: vsb>> Teachers from the Moscow State University complained of sharp lowering of quality of the entrants who have arrived on Unified State Examination. S> 1. A lie However, truth! Personally heard. Russian  entered at the first year, and entrants are not able to write that. There and so the program rather strong, and we on Russian will give the last hours It is necessary to add only arithmetics, yes oral reading.

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vsb>>> Teachers from the Moscow State University complained of sharp lowering of quality of the entrants who have arrived on Unified State Examination. S>> 1. A C lie> However, truth! Personally heard. Cs>  entered Russian at the first year, and entrants are not able to write that. A C> There and so the program rather strong, and we on Russian will give the last hours a C> It is necessary to add only arithmetics, yes oral reading. And if enter examination and not able to write eliminate at an arrival stage competent entrants whence undertake.

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Hello, Carc, you wrote: vsb>>> Teachers from the Moscow State University complained of sharp lowering of quality of the entrants who have arrived on Unified State Examination. S>> 1. A C lie> However, truth! Personally heard. Cs>  entered Russian at the first year, and entrants are not able to write that. It entered before Unified State Examination. Also added year of elementary school before Unified State Examination with the same substantiation. And it would be necessary to expel unsuitable teachers from school.

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Hello, telavi, you wrote: T> What for on  others to judge? Yes, too well I think of you. My trouble in knowledge of history T> This examination in loading in Unified State Examination? Yes. Unified State Examination to leave, but to remove sense of its existence

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Hello, Kernan, you wrote: K> It is necessary to make simply ALL high schools paid... K> In this case all rises at once on the places, will not be  from 100 % of Unified State Examination, there will be it a quality, there will be a competition between high schools, entrance examinations will be not necessary. Ugu-ugu, professional certificates instead of interviews and industrial release of experts at courses of improvement of qualification completely confirms your judgement If : companions considering, would get over you where-thread in , m? It is necessary to have very specific warehouse of thinking that from here this here citations It is necessary to think and make corrections that high schools, especially high schools very difficult, socially significant high schools, should have entering written examinations, without it it is impossible.... By words Vasilevoj, now in high schools goes to the first semester "" high school programs. As the minister considers, it is necessary to enter an additional estimation of knowledge of pupils in all subjects upon termination of school, "to change judgement of public consciousness that at school is done the last two years nothing, only we train on Unified State Examination". For a complex estimation of knowledge also it is necessary to improve the mechanism of Unified State Examination and to result the total composition in "a classical type", added Vasileva. To receive the start message. And even more specific - seriously to consider . Well , at  explicitly problems with logic and some  on the politician, but is its problems, instead of yours. To Feed up what for?

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Hello, Denwer, you wrote: D> And now means there is no corruption at schools at Unified State Examination? About what corruption at schools (in a Unified State Examination context) there is a speech? D> plus still it is possible to study the last year at school in what  a mountain aul and to get the maximum points on Unified State Examination. It is precisely possible? Meanwhile, on how many I know, "thousand 100-balnikov from Dagestana/Ingushetii/..." Remained only . You can result specific examples? Similarly, me exactly one case of "draining" of variants of Unified State Examination on the mathematician who happened if I am not mistaken in 2013 is authentically known. All remaining were false.

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Hello, siberia2, you wrote: Well can be will the variant when activity of receptions  will be supervised nevertheless is offered and that revelry of bribery which reigned in places nevertheless will not be (and that here about the Izhevsk Medical academy walked such  that already hair rose on end. And how all howled having access to a feeding trough in the form of a selection committee, after  Unified State Examinations knew, probably in each family where there was a physician). But even in this case, availability of capital HIGH SCHOOLS to children from regions will sharply be rolled away on former positions. Partly, it is the positive moment - now almost all though a little strong children leave regions (I judge under stories of a manual of chairs/faculties About-it specialities).  only those who could/not not wanted/not circumstances / allowed... And are returned reversely after unit study. But its positivity any doubtful