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Topic: Re: about Russian in programming

Article, is written one year ago: > http://files.rsdn.org/122727/pl1ex24.doc > I Remind that the author not I, and already printed here Loaves http://rsdn.org/users/99493.aspx > In this case I in many respects with the author agrees. I will register in the evening - something on a subject I can add.

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Re: Re: about Russian in programming

Hello, , you wrote: > as well as offered in http://rsdn.org/forum/flame.comp/6616369.flat Author:  Date: 21.11 16:31 > I start to spread at the desire of the author articles which have not got not so in disappeared log RSDN magazine > On a subject, in my opinion, in philosophy. Article, is written one year ago: it seems To me, it is attempt of the decision of a nonexistent problem. Just very conveniently at programming in English that English-speaking keywords do not mix up with a natural language. Accordingly, there the polysemy of words is not introduced. An example: "return" it is not perceived as "reset". It is perceived as a command schematic symbol,  control to the caused program. If to write instead "reset" - that it becomes more clear not. Because reset where? Reset of that? Besides,  program constructions always you look clumsily owing to that Russian synthetic. English language as analytical, approaches where better." If =5 do =3 "- that it, it is strong on  sounds?

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Hello, , you wrote: > as well as offered in http://rsdn.org/forum/flame.comp/6616369.flat Author:  Date: 21.11 16:31 > I start to spread at the desire of the author articles which have not got not so in disappeared log RSDN magazine > On a subject, in my opinion, in philosophy. Article, is written one year ago: > http://files.rsdn.org/122727/pl1ex24.doc > I Remind that the author not I, and already printed here Loaves http://rsdn.org/users/99493.aspx > In this case I in many respects with the author agrees. For a long time, since the USSR, did not read articles of level and such depth of the approach. Foreign - read, from the Russian Federation - is not present. And earlier, to the Russian Federation, often read. But did not pay to them such attention. There was no problem. It categorically agree with all setting of the author. Native language usage at all levels of a civilization not is a personal whim and a personal choice, and a condition of saving of the country, culture, history. The most interesting thought of article - correspondence of level of usage of Russian in programming to position of the country in the world. So it also is on 100 %. I confirm all outputs of the author about the broadest usage of Russian in programming at the time of the USSR. Especially in ruler BESM-6, the absolutely independently developed branch of a computer in the USSR. I will strengthen its judgement observation that Russian then was used not only in the USSR, and not only in programming. So, in GDR and  personally, at the airports, watched that Russian was used at duplication of voice messages on air terminal. It can even be checked up on some old films. And programmers of those countries prepared the documentation about the created products in joint projects on subjects of handling of satellite pictures in Russian. The USSR was the MAIN customer of similar technics and a software, and many other projects. Though they wrote, I suppose, in German, Hungarian etc. At least, comments:o). Programming languages were With, the Fortran, the assembler. Operating systems in GDR completely have been translated into German. OS bore name MOOS-1600 (instead of RSX-11M). In Hungary used, truth, pure Unix Berkeley V 5, in English. Manuals from it lie at home till now and and till now happen are useful on life. I.e. - all is necessary and it is possible to use, if without fanaticism and with understanding. But in offices . The countries always there were homebrew translators on the Russian, many employees spoke Russian, many young (then) children studied in the USSR, some had wives from the USSR. And we perfectly understood each other both on operation, and in conversation and is simple on life. Thought it is similar. So, and the purposes at us and our countries were the general. Here such facts of life violently forgotten to please to exterior western control.

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Hello, the Geographer, you wrote: it categorically agree with all setting of the author. Native language usage at all levels of a civilization not is a personal whim and a personal choice, and a condition of saving of the country, culture, history. Well here as... If a main objective of development of the program - the grant on saving of the country, culture, history it certainly agree. If the purpose - saving __ language it is an invention from a series to save current water in the river. The same consequences. At last, with commercial development all is absolutely simple. It and irrevocably passed for a long time to English, more precisely, on a pidzhin-dialect. Lingua franca what to do. Here such facts of life violently forgotten to please to exterior western control. Sorry, but it is a cargo cult in the pure state, you changed cause and effect in places. Certainly, it is possible to create the artificial insulated environment without a competition, it is necessary to justify what magic such  something changes for all remaining. Well, or not  with  and to do excellent things by excellent tools. Favor as a result a little bit will be more.

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Re: Re: about Russian in programming

Hello, , you wrote: . The author just also complains that for us are abstract characters, and for English-speaking - there are no V>> Besides,  program constructions always you look clumsily owing to that Russian synthetic. V>> English language as analytical, approaches where better. > I do not understand that such "analyticity" of language https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0 … 1%8B%D0%BA https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0 … 0%BA%D0%B8

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Re: Re: about Russian in programming

Hello, , you wrote: > on  sounds "If =5 then =3" As on me, it is race behind purely exterior criteria: letters Russian - means, language is localized. Upon it only the beginning of problems and I am not assured absolutely not that they should be solved generally. To begin with, here this judgement of the author: However, in my opinion, programming languages have much more common features with normal languages, than the abstract mathematical or chemical representation. If the person thinks "in Russian", in most cases he never starts to think "in English". Forbidding to use native language elements at learning of bases of programming, we initially put our schoolboys and students in lagging behind position in comparison with their English speaking contemporaries. Misses one important trifle: the good programmer should break completely a method of thinking and to learn to describe the thoughts accurately and unambiguously. Introduction of separate language here on the contrary helps, since Language constructions are not loaded by "home" values and are independent lexemes. I will not paint, as vmpire already it made. Secondly, language _ on _ does not play a special role in software development. How about libraries, building tools, services, culture of development, community? To create all and competitive -  in adjacent section. To narrow a niche to "perfectly we consult and without it" - not a question, we already made it for , power, partially space and even separate ERP and SCADA-systems. Raise a hand who noted it? I.e. or "we create the narrow allotment and we play by the rules", or "we collect the best experience (and we share the) worldwide", but not both simultaneously. Life - a pain, aha.

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