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Hello, ononim, you wrote: O> the Full analog of the field transistor: Was engaged  and since the childhood many times saw similar analogies. Moreover. These analogies are interesting also to that the details repeat also, only one forces are replaced with others. For example, in your picture there is a force of a pressure of water, force of a friction, a principle of the hydraulic lever. So? Also thought that at all diversity of computing elements there is a certain abstract circuit to which all of them correspond. Only instead of the mechanical dampfer, for example, there will be a dampfer from electric field and so forth Here if to take the same relay. It has a dampfer in the form of air - on it the current does not leak. If the relay is in the leading environment - that will not work. The question essence is clear?

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Hello, Sharov, you wrote: S> the Question aside - why  should provide reduction of the entropy? Because directly on determination: the lost entropy is equal to information magnification. S> the abstraction layer assumes abstraction . Effects on which it is constructed . Above already considered that . El should possess non-linear f conversions of a signal. There will be this gain or attenuation - a question another (the nature . Effects in the given specific case). The infinite gain of energy cannot be, the EC th. Gain in the environment of homogeneous computing elements is necessary only for compensating of losses. Well and gain of one physical value at the expense of another not is mandatory means energy gain. Well and the formulas of is minimum-necessary energy given nearby on information bit is on many orders smaller energies, than energies of losses, i.e. are not important at arguing. As , any measurement needs to be led with accuracy not  errors of measurements.))

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: O>> the Trigger is means, instead of the purpose. The purpose -  information,  delays too can do it, but not the best choice for this purpose. S> is not present,  are used, for example, for counter creation. Without it in any way clock periods cannot consider. Triggers are used for creation of numeral functional transformers with storage, that is for automatic machines. The counter is only example  from a class "independent". In analog circuits for "storage" used capacity (i.e. kol-in a charge), inertia and other values which are convenient for integrating. The link on  already distances. O>> read . Without it to philosophize at you it turns out badly. The link is above given. S> you try to give the reference, and I ask you to think a little bit the head. Well so you descend under the link, esteem, and then think. Because now you try to think in null information, and it .

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Hello, Qulac, you wrote: Q> I it to that all rests that there is for us an essential information in this case Well, I already nearby did such remark: In a macrocosm differently in any way. And further went to bat about redundancy. It seems that did not inform the I think.)) in general, the body in a macrocosm possesses  kol-vom the full information ("the pure information" in terms of quantum computer science). But we consider all this large information volume as certainly superfluous where redundancy is used especially for achievement of the necessary indexes of reliability for not which interpretation of the target information. Q> as there is no information out of our consciousness. Well, if to accept that not which any "interpretation" of physical value is the mathematical conditionality at its finest described  by means of terms "coding", "display", "representation" (and other games of reason), yes.) ) Q> Without this calculation are useless, and physical implementation approaches that which provides the accuracy necessary to us and cost. And all. Any physical process about which something is known to us, it is possible to use as the calculator. All so. Almost any physical process is non-linear on the full range of the values (though it can be close to linear on some section). I noted at once that it is much more difficult to invent such physical phenomena on which calculations are impossible even theoretically.))