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Hello, Ikemefula, you wrote: I> And I saw both that, and another. We tell, saw many people who  at all did not learn, hammered it is total and handed over  thus best. I> some so at all mocked - viewed another's abstract before examination and managed to hand over perfectly well. One of such people now the manager of chair in University. As that so Here, allow, you not to check as or you not up to the end finish speaking, or sincerely be mistaken. I too saw many which almost learned nothing and it is thus quite good, and some even simply perfectly passed examinations. However, it was for the time being. For example, one companion at us in the first 4 semester was the round honors pupil. Thus prepared normally the last day before examination. And in the fifth semester with a crash took off. Also there were many companions about whom at us said that at them syndrome . These are those who studied before in what that in a special school where transited some part of a material. On the first courses it it was easy, as, as a matter of fact, they only repeated that already knew. As a result, many started to kick . And then could not be rebuilt any more. Many even took off. Differently, for arrival in any HIGH SCHOOL and successful study the first steams of courses can quite be enough natural talent as, generally speaking, the volume of knowledge demanded for this purpose is insignificant. Especially, if such presented person is in the certain environment where average level of friends will be above normal. Or carries that in due time reads the necessary textbook of methodics. In it I wholly agree with a companion xma. However, if thus completely to hammer for study further there will be problems. Personally I did not see those who put a bolt on study and was among leaders by the time of release.

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Hello, baily, you wrote: B> Differently, for arrival in any HIGH SCHOOL and successful study the first steams of courses can quite be enough natural talent as, generally speaking, the volume of knowledge demanded for this purpose is insignificant. It, generally speaking, not so. Happens, what exactly on 1-2 courses is given (and great volume of knowledge is required). Further - is easier. B> however if thus completely to hammer for study further there will be problems. Personally I did not see those who put a bolt on study and was among leaders by the time of release. +1.

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Hello, Lexey, you wrote: L> Hello, baily, you wrote: B>> Differently, for arrival in any HIGH SCHOOL and successful study the first steams of courses can quite be enough natural talent as, generally speaking, the volume of knowledge demanded for this purpose is insignificant. L> it, generally speaking, not so. Happens, what exactly on 1-2 courses is given (and great volume of knowledge is required). Further - is easier. At least on the mathematician it so.

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Hello, Lexey, you wrote: L>>> it has What relation to understanding of how the accumulator works? It is enough for such things , instead of chemistries. I>> immediate - you want to understand, how works, it is necessary to represent as it is arranged. For example, in a short manual it is impossible to enumerate all consequences of misuse. L> For this purpose that you wrote, it is not necessary to know, how it works. That is, you confuses "works"? I speak generally what for it is necessary to know generally particulars about the accumulator. As works - chemical processes lead to electric current appearance. From here it is clear, for example, that at these of processes there are also ghost effects which you can face. I>> here also do not lead the children in school and  make to get rid of an unnecessary ballast. L> and it is not necessary. The ballast itself well disappears. It is transformed that you name "common sense". For the present anybody without formation did not flash common sense. I>> and you , not in course? Motor-car manufacturers use it for a long time already - still Ancient Greeks noted effect of paramagnetism in case of gasoline, even during war of Athenes with Sparta. L> well and it is fine, then I especially have nothing to worry. To you - about what. Because you have this formation and consequently you can identify . To download the last version  sense does not quit. L>>> and that at the inhabitant clearly with gasoline? Well, besides, that it burns and smells. I>> burns, smells, dissolves many substances, it is toxic, it is used in lighters, glue sniffers it play about, is high-octane, is  and  and . L> Here I more than am assured that the inhabitant of half selected does not know. For it to it  did not fall. There where does not know, there is everyone - people climb in the tank from under gasoline, try to cut in a butt from under gasoline a hole autogenous cutting, highlight to itself a match in search of residuals of this gasoline, swallow of gasoline and . It at them here such common sense - their common sense informed that no problem here is present, rolled earlier,  and now. I>> Clients simply do not know that cheese that free. Instead of know, therefore, for example, as are not able to do rough estimates. L> "Besplatnost" in 90 + % of cases is obvious and without estimations - is simple under advertizing slogans. There where it is not obvious, it is possible to look already , responses, etc.  and responses would demand that the brain was enough  what to perceive and   the information. I>> we tell, the large quantity of people is stupidly treated by any shit instead of campaigns in polyclinic. At them such understanding - a shit  not a shit, and expensive and curative method. L> and? You think, what it the pharmaceutics course at school helped to be? I think that elements of biology, anatomy helped a remaining part not to make such nonsenses. In total 100 years ago such nonsenses were made is universal, for example nearly all illnesses were treated approximately so - prayers, , a bath. And death rate in places was the madwoman - more than now in Africa. I>> and, well understood - at home level "a sanctity lack" this quite suitable explanation. And how to distinguish quality of articles for example about sanctity and more or less suitable nauch-priest? L> at home level is to be able to count as pressure changes at depth change, for example." Sanctity "here by cash register. Aha, downloads the last version of an insertion"Common sense"and installs to itself in a brain. How to it to guess existence of dependence of pressure from depth? I>> understanding it after all not only literal sense, but also ability to do an opinion"is suitable-is unsuitable"L> Explanations at home level just and are allowed to justify specific results of type"is suitable-is unsuitable", instead of for the sake of that explanation" as it works "(it anybody can and not know, actually). And the next problem with health of the child at vegans or  proves correctness of this idea - to them just at this most home level explained that very abruptly and in a fantastic way not to give to the child milk. I>> it is constant. I and use it. Fairy tales and legends well  in a head even to professors from university. It in the mathematician it the professor, and in the physicist much is possible that  to shutter. L> I meant the initial context connected to physiology of immersings. In it wishing something somehow did not come across to me to explain "a sanctity lack". In a society of people without formation all models as a rule are strongly inadequate and , "an electricity from the socket", "feeling sick from for sins" and . School education gives you the basic models which are adequate enough and in practice fixes understanding of these models.

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Hello, baily, you wrote: I>> And I saw both that, and another. We tell, saw many people who  at all did not learn, hammered it is total and handed over  thus best. I>> some so at all mocked - viewed another's abstract before examination and managed to hand over perfectly well. One of such people now the manager of chair in University. As that so B> Here, allow, you not to check as or you not up to the end finish speaking, or sincerely be mistaken. "Saw many people who  at all did not learn, hammered it is total and handed over  thus best." I speak about specific subjects, in this case - , individual examples, and you sees  that Actually I speak only about existence of such phenomenon, instead of about mass cases of the successful termination of University after 5 years of drunkenness.

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Hello, Ikemefula, you wrote: I> Hello, baily, you wrote: I>>> And I saw both that, and another. We tell, saw many people who  at all did not learn, hammered it is total and handed over  thus best. I>>> some so at all mocked - viewed another's abstract before examination and managed to hand over perfectly well. One of such people now the manager of chair in University. As that so B>> Here, allow, you not to check as or you not up to the end finish speaking, or sincerely be mistaken. I> "saw many people who  at all did not learn, hammered it is total and handed over  thus best." I> I speak about specific subjects, in this case - , individual examples, and you sees  that I> Actually I speak only about existence of such phenomenon, instead of about mass cases of the successful termination of University after 5 years of drunkenness. Examples from a series "viewed another's abstract before examination and managed to hand over perfectly well" - a frank bayan and also that that ostensibly, "we Tell, saw many people who  at all did not learn, hammered is total and handed over  thus best." Without preparation  it is impossible to hand over, another matter that for preparation for practice under the correct methodical manuals - will be prepared it is possible for very short term, we tell two weeks. Another matter that the high school system so  is constructed that if will not walk on steams that you is banal deduct - therefore on an output, as a result - anything perspective does not quit it also institute end only for the sake of crusts instead of knowledge.

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Hello, xma, you wrote: I>> I speak about specific subjects, in this case - , individual examples, and you sees  that I>> Actually I speak only about existence of such phenomenon, instead of about mass cases of the successful termination of University after 5 years of drunkenness. xma> examples from a series "viewed another's abstract before examination and managed to hand over perfectly well" - the frank bayan Is the facts. One subject to hand over perfectly well never  - such it seems to me at everyone in a store is. We tell, at me such focuses transited with economy and management.  managed to hand over here thus numeral devices, acoustics and still which what trifles. Here there is nothing strange - if storage good, everything is all right. The former radio fans, say, on course on electronic instruments did not look at all. What you confuses? xma> and also that that ostensibly, xma> "we Tell, saw many people who  at all did not learn, hammered it is total and handed over  thus best." xma> without preparation  it is impossible to hand over, another matter that for preparation for practice under the correct methodical manuals - will be prepared it is possible for very short term, we tell two weeks. You contradict yourself It appears -  it is possible to hand over is total hammering during a semester, especially with good school basis. xma> another matter that the high school system so  is constructed that if will not walk on steams that you is banal deduct - therefore on an output, as a result - anything perspective does not quit it also institute end only for the sake of crusts instead of knowledge. For passes deduct only if you in in militia pleased or still as .

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Hello, De-Bill, you wrote: M>> And if it is at some instant interesting to the child  to do and to study in nothing? DB> an avitaminosis, excessive loading On the contrary, low loading, i.e. feeble physical training does the child (and the adult too) apathetic. DB> emotional burning-off Psychological endurance often directly depends on the physical. As well as speed of recovery after loadings. M>> earlier parents could force, including rather rigid methods, DB> to Force to think, remember, understand rigid methods it is impossible.  On questions from discharge "as it is better - for fear or for conscience" answers have been given long before our birth. Theoretically "for conscience" it is better, but it only in spherical vacuum.) ) And will power strongly interferes with practice. If the person weak-willed (and the child on-definition those , than it is less) no conscience forces the weak-willed person to arrive on-conscience. The weak-willed person will go on the transaction with own conscience, to be accustomed to say lies (first of all to itself) and to dodge. Therefore, in business of education of rising generation first of all it is necessary to bring up will power. It becomes through that "good breeding" and in any way differently. The mankind yet did not invent other recipes - i.e. the adult person in the first years replaces to the child conscience, i.e. decently attentions to spend for the child it is necessary. And if in 7-8 years to the child there are problems they began, actually, in 3-4 years, when on the child, to put it mildly, . And then suddenly at parents at that conscience woke up, they allow to press the child and to search for problems in it.) ) And a problem practically always in looseness and  which happen because of laziness of parents, i.e. because of weak-willed adults-blockheads. DB> such that works only with stupid monotonous activity, and, during the certain moments and in certain limits. As a maximum, it is possible to force to sit stupidly at desktop and to look in the book with problems. To force to understand and solve the task it is impossible. It is possible if to start to communicate and clarify with the child a course of its thoughts. I am regularly occupied by it, all turns out. And yes, the , more cynically also is more ill-bred , the more difficult all is given to it. Yes, I should use here such banal things: "well, sit down exactly", "concentrate on the task", "try not to make any error, to hurry up not mandatory", and even "gather, a rag!" And other. It without zoom-in, a negative i.e. as  joking, but thus inevitably and both it understand. Because other operating mechanism is not present. Alternative methods - "through game", "through interest" can serve exceptional as surroundings/addition. In itself they possess modest potential, well approach only for something absolutely simple or for input occupations. Besides, start to work not earlier, than the child starts to understand that round it happens. Basically, the good example at an explanation can replace all this "game". Here there was at me a ward, 11 years, a problem with negative numbers. Here in any. The example-3+5 through time solves incorrectly though I rose, walked before it 3 steps back, then 5 steps forward and it forced to walk. Drew a balloon which delays effort 5 upwards, to it suspended a load on 3 kg etc. - all permanently is mistaken in the elementary examples. It is direct a trouble. While I did not suggest it to translate plus and a minus in money, more truly, in a direction of their driving or in a sign of the one who to whom should. Here at once accurate understanding. I dictate it a problem from a head, yet did not dictate up to the end, he already in mind solved it. I such in mind solve more slowly.)) a problem from discharge: there is you and your two friends And and, both owe to you on 30. You went to cafe, ordered identical meal for three, And paid 70, Would pay 110, you did not pay, who to whom and how many should as a result? I yet did not stop to dictate, and he already asks:" And are long it is possible to transfer? There just it turns out for me in cafe ")) And generally this funny case puzzled, . Generation next. (M>> and now divorced , fighters for the right of children to grow degenerates. DB> you personally with what raise the children? Whether strongly you hindered  by justice in it? Well, here it is necessary not to accuse each other in advance, and to share thoughts. For me stupid dictatorship (over the child) differs from proper attention just a word"stupid". Outwardly stupid and not stupid dictatorship can be indiscernible (at first sight), but in a stupid case the parent stupidly hammers on interests of the child and provides the where principal interest of the parent in that  took away less quanta of attention and did not irritate once again. In the second case hardness of the adult is mandatory should have the unique reason for each unique case, i.e. The child should understand accurately that it not the adult in the bad mood and hinders the child normally to live (and children often so consider, dividing adults on kind/malicious), and it  and has been subjected to a reproach after  the adult in a situation. In general, severity of severity . When at the parent the severity mask causeless and actually does not depend on actions of the child the educational I pound from such severity exactly zero. It is possible to name such "severity" safely bestiality ordinary. And in knees in such scenario are engaged just .

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Hello, Ikemefula, you wrote: I> Hello, baily, you wrote: I>>> And I saw both that, and another. We tell, saw many people who  at all did not learn, hammered it is total and handed over  thus best. I>>> some so at all mocked - viewed another's abstract before examination and managed to hand over perfectly well. One of such people now the manager of chair in University. As that so B>> Here, allow, you not to check as or you not up to the end finish speaking, or sincerely be mistaken. I> "saw many people who  at all did not learn, hammered it is total and handed over  thus best." I> I speak about specific subjects, in this case - , individual examples, and you sees  that I more about other your expression One of such people now the manager of chair in University From a context can be made impression that the given person hammered in all time for study, but despite it became managing chair. In it I will not check, and, most likely, you did not mean it. Most likely the given companion nevertheless in what that the moment began to study , or hammered only on those subjects which its specialities did not concern. I> actually I speak only about existence of such phenomenon, instead of about mass cases of the successful termination of University after 5 years of drunkenness. I would tell that in my opinion, there is a phenomenon of a mass amount of cases of successful study on first two courses at swamping for study. But there are no even single instances when the such proceeds to 5th course. Normally such people suddenly have problems which they any more in a state to overcome.

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Hello, baily, you wrote: I>> I speak about specific subjects, in this case - , individual examples, and you I see  that B> more about other your expression B> B> One of such people now the manager of chair in University And what confuses you? What here the impossible? B> from a context the impression can be made that the given person hammered in all time for study, but despite it became managing chair. Quote, whence it follows? B> I would tell that in my opinion, there is a phenomenon of a mass amount of cases of successful study on first two courses at swamping for study. B> but there are no even single instances when the such proceeds to 5th course. Normally such people suddenly have problems which they any more in a state to overcome. We like as about examinations speak, instead of about all study from the beginning and up to the end, unless not so?

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Hello, vdimas, you wrote: V> Yes, I should use here such banal things: "well, sit down exactly", "concentrate on the task", "try not to make any error, to hurry up not mandatory", and even "gather, a rag!" And other. It without zoom-in, a negative, the Interesting concept - to hang a label "rag" without a negative. A new word in children's psychology.

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Hello, vdimas, you wrote: M>>> And if it is at some instant interesting to the child  to do and to study in nothing? DB>> an avitaminosis, excessive loading V> On the contrary, low loading, i.e. feeble physical training does the child (and the adult too) apathetic. Well that is if the musician to harness bricks to carry and shout at it all the day in succession, to all fault low physical training of this musician

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Hello, Ikemefula, you wrote: I> Well that is if musician to harness bricks to carry and shout at it all the day in succession, to all fault low physical training of this musician And where you took about the bad endurance or physical training of the musician? Drummers or bayan players generally wet after rehearsals.)) in an orchestra of national tools, in which I of years 6 ,  physically well developed teenagers. You try to clamp well feeble fingers strings on frets of the same guitar or  fight (periodically very much in rate) a two-hour concert.) ) Or here there is such sports exercise - lay down on a bench the person upwards, pair a dumbbell in the hands straightened in the sides, it is necessary to lift dumbbells over itself on straight lines (or nearly so straight lines) hands. Here in section on boxing the trainer removed to itself in log from newcomers of "indication": , pullings up, including here this exercise with dumbbells. I do not remember weight of dumbbells, coevals did in a range of 10-20 times, and at me on account 80 to the trainer bothered also it directly asked - a bayan or an accordion?)) says that itself on a bayan  all youth and till now periodically tears furs.

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Hello, Ikemefula, you wrote: V>> Yes, I should use here such banal things: "well, sit down exactly", "concentrate on the task", "try not to make any error, to hurry up not mandatory", and even "gather, a rag!" And other. It without zoom-in, a negative, I> the Interesting concept - to hang a label "rag" without a negative. It is necessary to be able.

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Hello, vdimas, you wrote: V> And where you took about the bad endurance or physical training of the musician? V> drummers or bayan players generally wet after rehearsals.)) worked with musicians, on a guitar can strum though day successively, and bricks to carry it more another . V> In an orchestra of national tools, in which I of years 6 ,  physically well developed teenagers. V> you try to clamp well feeble fingers strings on frets of the same guitar or  fight (periodically very much in rate) a two-hour concert.) ) How it helps to drag bricks? Here are necessary a strong back and feet first of all. V> or here there is such sports exercise - lay down on a bench the person upwards, pair a dumbbell in the hands straightened in the sides, it is necessary to lift dumbbells over itself on straight lines (or nearly so straight lines) hands. Here in section on boxing the trainer removed to itself in log from newcomers of "indication": , pullings up, including here this exercise with dumbbells. I do not remember weight of dumbbells, coevals did in a range of 10-20 times, and at me on account 80 to the trainer bothered also it directly asked - a bayan or an accordion?)) says that itself on a bayan  all youth and till now periodically tears furs. And so whence your bayans. And nevertheless this exception - a bayan almost unique tool which prepares for dragging of bricks.

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Hello, Ikemefula, you wrote: I> Worked with musicians, on a guitar can strum though day successively, and bricks to carry it more another .  the rod and to run marathon race too  a little the different.

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Hello, Ikemefula, you wrote: I> Hello, baily, you wrote: I>>> I speak about specific subjects, in this case - , individual examples, and you I see  that B>> more about other your expression B>> B>> One of such people now the manager of chair in University I> And what confuses you? What here the impossible? B>> from a context the impression can be made that the given person hammered in all time for study, but despite it became managing chair. I> quote, whence it follows? Yes that that is not present desire to you that that to explain from for your manner to communicate in the form of interrogation. If you a little tried to understand that interlocutors write to you, and so, most likely would understand whence that follows. Well and as I of such aspiration at you do not see, is assured that even if I will write the answer  all the same you will understand not so.

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Hello, vdimas, you wrote: I>> Worked with musicians, on a guitar can strum though day successively, and bricks to carry it more another . V> Tjagat the rod and to run marathon race too  a little the different. Therefore ' feeble physical training ' is argument about what. Only correlation, instead of the reason.

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Hello, baily, you wrote: B> Yes that that is not present desire to you that that to explain from for your manner to communicate in the form of interrogation. If you a little tried to understand that interlocutors write to you, and so, most likely would understand whence that follows. Well and as I of such aspiration at you do not see, is assured that even if I will write the answer  all the same you will understand not so. Here it is written that you do not have desire to investigate into another's position and to explain the. Thanks!

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Hello, Ikemefula, you wrote: I> Hello, baily, you wrote: B>> Yes that that is not present desire to you that that to explain from for your manner to communicate in the form of interrogation. If you a little tried to understand that interlocutors write to you, and so, most likely would understand whence that follows. Well and as I of such aspiration at you do not see, is assured that even if I will write the answer  all the same you will understand not so. I> Here it is written that you do not have desire to investigate into another's position and to explain the. Thanks! So. Always please

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Hello, Ikemefula, you wrote: I> That is, you confuses "works"? I speak generally what for it is necessary to know generally particulars about the accumulator. As works - chemical processes lead to electric current appearance. From here it is clear, for example, that at these of processes there are also ghost effects which you can face. In the theory it, of course, so, and in practice "the normal" person in the accumulator climbs hardly less often than never. And in  cases it will be  with an anhydrous electrolyte. Therefore "ghost effects" in style "something scatters in the person from the accumulator" in practice there are no also 3/4 school programs it is pure for the extension of an outlook and in practice is inapplicable. And those cases which meet in life  swamping in a subcortex of knowledge "the accumulator scattered - take a salve No4", and at all the schematic diagram of action of alkali on difficult albuminous connections.

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Hello, Max Mustermann, you wrote: I>> That is, you confuses "works"? I speak generally what for it is necessary to know generally particulars about the accumulator. As works - chemical processes lead to electric current appearance. From here it is clear, for example, that at these of processes there are also ghost effects which you can face. MM> in the theory it, of course, so, and in practice "the normal" person in the accumulator climbs hardly less often than never. And in  cases it will be  with an anhydrous electrolyte. Therefore "ghost effects" in style "something scatters in the person from the accumulator" in practice there are no also 3/4 school programs it is pure for the extension of an outlook and in practice is inapplicable. This outlook just also is used in billions here such here special cases. MM> And those cases which meet in life  swamping in a subcortex of knowledge "the accumulator scattered - take a salve No4", and at all the schematic diagram of action of alkali on difficult albuminous connections. Without the school program you even to home ware or a microwave cannot master the instruction.