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Topic: Re: when the false step has been made? (A sight from 1983)

> http://tapemark.narod.ru/ affairs of bygone days,  olden time deep

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Hello, , you wrote: > Anyway, the lesson of mastering of OS of EU is clear: it is possible, and sometimes it is necessary to master separate samples of the foreign software, but it is impossible to follow the road constant following behind them. >... The Lesson is clear, yes only then started to copy and many other things, since PDP and finishing Wang 2200. And if PDP was, as speak, successful, Wang, more known as "Spark-226" - the full sediment. About PDP tell I can nothing, never I faced, rely on stories of those who worked. And with "Spark" I worked very densely. About EU-1840 everyone there and the Spark-1030 and furthermore "Search" I simply try not . > http://tapemark.narod.ru/ There still there is a pair of articles from those times which, in my opinion, should be read.

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Hello, Privalov: And about Aldan-3 that tell? To you probably often ask this question.

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Hello, , you wrote: > I had time to work and on the Spark-1030 (dragged from operation in two backpacks) and on EU-1840. For those times especially bad about them tell I can nothing. Yes, Pravets Bulgarian was better. But everything though, happened worked, the Spark rebooted at home at refrigerator switching-on. 2 backpacks, even climbing are, , somehow it is not enough. Unless if a hard disk not to take. It was healthy  the box which in a backpack simply so you will not push. > but to EU-1840 there was a documentation in Russian and debugger SID-86 with Russian directives! I saw Pravets-16 and Pravets-16A with the Russian documentation. Should tell, Bulgarians copied better ours. But they  all one to one. On it they withstood the sizes of the case, layout of buttons to millimeter. The same I can tell about their printers which were an exact copy of any known model of Epson. At Pravets the keypad was much more convenient, than at EU-1840. And Bulgarians used original 8088, instead of a clone. And in DOS they corrected the message from command.com from Microsoft (or IBM) on Intellect Pravets. Well and virus Eddie-1800 went in a delivery set. > Minsk EU-1840 it was used by us by preparation for start-up of the Snow-storm for additional control (not as regular system) and the business made, errors found. Then, year so to 1996 it was used as the additional screen at debugging of programs (communication with the main PC on parallel port) and worked is fault-free while  did not die. There, where I faced EU-1840, it in the core was used as the clever terminal to EU-1036 or something similar. It is remembered, it had CGA videoadapter which allowed to load a font in the character generator. I still then was surprised, why at Pravets with Russian font of a problem. Standard CGA did not load fonts in the character generator. As there the russification problem dared, any more I do not remember.

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Hello, swame, you wrote: S> And about Aldan-3 that tell? To you probably often ask this question. Aldan in the nature does not exist. About it for a long time it is already told.

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Hello, Privalov, you wrote: P> It is remembered, it had CGA videoadapter which allowed to load a font in the character generator. I still then was surprised, why at Pravets with Russian font of a problem. Standard CGA did not load fonts in the character generator. As there the russification problem dared, any more I do not remember. Standard CGA should load fonts. Or at Pravtsa was not CGA or it has been incorrectly implemented.... <<RSDN@Home 1.2.0 alpha 5 rev. 1495>>

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: P> Standard CGA should load fonts. Or at Pravtsa was not CGA or it has been incorrectly implemented. V.P.Grigoriev, Video systems of the PC of firm IBM was not too lazy to glance at all in the old book. , "radio and communication", 1993, p. 119 In adapters MDA and CGA the font column text chart is in ROM out of address space of the processor, i.e. to it character generator circuits can address only. Hence, in these adapters program control by the character dial-up deduced in character modes is not admitted. In adapters EGA, MCGA and VGA this restriction is removed This ROM altered, differently Russian on CGA it was possible to see only in a graphic mode. Can be not in firm (from IBM) adapters there was also a possibility of loading of a font.

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: P> Standard CGA should load fonts. Or at Pravtsa was not CGA or it has been incorrectly implemented. Here I do not remember this moment. But something prompts to me that the character generator at CGA was in ROM. And to reach it it was somehow difficult. At EU-1840 any clone CGA at which it was possible to load a font in the character generator was used. Speech about character modes.

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Hello, Michael7, you wrote: M> was not too lazy to glance At all in the old book Too beforehand the monochrome adapter looked on R.Dzhordejnu Only cannot deduce characters of the type set by the programmer. CGA supports 128 characters defined by the user, PCjr - 256.... And further as with function usage 25h  interruptions 21h to load the given describing images  with the codes 128-255 in CGA, and by means of function 11h interruptions 10h in EGA... <<RSDN@Home 1.2.0 alpha 5 rev. 1495>>

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: P> And further as with function usage 25h  interruptions 21h to load the given describing images  with the codes 128-255 in CGA, and by means of function 11h interruptions 10h in EGA Function 25h installs interrupt vector.

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: P> Too the monochrome adapter beforehand looked on R.Dzhordejnu P> P> Only cannot deduce characters of the type set by the programmer. CGA supports 128 characters defined by the user, PCjr - 256.... P> And further as with function usage 25h  interruptions 21h to load the given describing images  with the codes 128-255 in CGA, and by means of function 11h interruptions 10h in EGA Hm, but here seems all the same precisely I remember that at CGA there were problems with russification. It is necessary  old bake, misunderstanding any here.

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Hello, , you wrote: Quite to itself a normal step. And what was to do, if during that moment not that the computer, and the normal truck or the TV set could not make?

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Hello, Michael7, you wrote: M> Hm, but here seems all the same precisely I remember that at CGA there were problems with russification. It is necessary  old bake, misunderstanding any here. He, in my opinion, 1F speaks about a vector. But 1F is for a graphic mode. As the russification problem in a character mode on GCA dared, I do not remember.

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Hello, Privalov, you wrote: P> Function 25h installs interrupt vector. ., Dzhordejn and writes - the address of storage with the graphic description of characters needs to be placed in interrupt vector 1Fh, but I will agree is more than strange. And to state that it worked I will not undertake... <<RSDN@Home 1.2.0 alpha 5 rev. 1495>>

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Hello, Glory, you wrote: the False step has been made in 20-30 when experts of imperial times , their children did not take in HIGH SCHOOLS, and in a science in large quantities there were Samuily and Tsejtiny. To 80 to years they even were learned and became good experts, but them was disastrously a little. Imperial experts finished the country to Tsushima. To go to fight generally never testing shells are it was necessary to manage. Then to them naturally kicked under back, and began to get the new. At new somehow it turned out is better.

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Hello, , you wrote: > And I guessed, who the first finds guilty on a surname. Your prize. That gang of gangsters which our country corrects till now is guilty. Led by ours . With 20 years they of people , and now same are engaged. A question "when the error" in a context of operation of experts simply the senseless has been made. Experts correctly did all, only conditions for their life were such that) them was too little when there was a possibility, they generally left the country. And to whom to work?

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Hello, alpha21264, you wrote: A> Imperial experts finished the country to Tsushima. Politicians, politicians. A> to go to fight generally never testing shells are it was necessary to manage. Military acceptance. A> then to them naturally kicked under back, and began to get the new. A> at new somehow it turned out is better. What at them ? What at us instead of MIT? Why the Soviet refrigerator "" so is similar to the colleague "Dzheneral the Electrician", only without a make-up? The Soviet tracing-paper. Here to take Sikorsky. What, it was necessary to expel him? The ten more such - to exhaust other methods. And then to copy -52, behind inability to make.

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Hello, Glory, you wrote: And then to copy -52, behind inability to make. Also what is the Soviet copy -52?... <<RSDN@Home 1.2.0 alpha 5 rev. 1495>>

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: P> Hm., Dzhordejn and writes - the address of storage with the graphic description of characters needs to be placed in interrupt vector 1Fh, but I will agree is more than strange. And to state that it worked not I will undertake Correctly Dzhordejn writes. 1F in graphic mode CGA specified in second half of characters of the table. And in a character mode it was possible to change pictures of characters only ROM reinsertion. In EU-1840 made possibility to load the character generator, but somehow... It is non-standard, whether that. In EGA it was already possible to load a font in the character generator, using functions int 10h.

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: P> Hello, Privalov, you wrote: P>> It is remembered, it had CGA videoadapter which allowed to load a font in the character generator. I still then was surprised, why at Pravets with Russian font of a problem. Standard CGA did not load fonts in the character generator. As there the russification problem dared, any more I do not remember. P> standard CGA should load fonts. Or at Pravtsa was not CGA or it has been incorrectly implemented. The choice of patterns for any location is thus limited to one of the 256 available characters, the patterns for which are stored in a ROM chip on the card itself. The display font in text mode (the code page 437 character set) is therefore fixed and cannot be changed (although when using the original IBM CGA, it is possible to select one of two different fonts-normal or thin-by changing a jumper. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_Graphics_Adapter) If allowed to change a font is already there was any local extension.

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: P> Hello, Glory, you wrote:>> And then to copy -52, behind inability to make. P> also what is the Soviet copy -52? I feel a smell of the expert in types . Sorts of nuts I do not understand.

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Re: Re: when the false step has been made? (A sight from 1983)

Hello, , you wrote: Already it was considered here (1 Author: alpha21264 Date: 28.09.11, 2 Author: Pavel Dvorkin Date: 22.09.11) it is detailed and deep.