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Hello, AlexRK, you wrote: ARK> And delete all my photos it can? So, above said that each application should be isolated from others. And here the user files on a disk?

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Hello, smeeld, you wrote: ARK>> And delete all my photos it can? S> so, above said that each application should be isolated from others. And here the user files on a disk? No, above spoke: each application should be completely insulated from all remaining, and from other programs, and from the data Now in all OS on any program to default is easy can  the important data And files thus that the curve architecture of their all existing OS in any way does not protect.

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Hello, AlexRK, you wrote:> and from the Program data  from the data, the program which does not have the rights to files, has to them no access. ARK> and files thus that the curve architecture of their all existing OS in any way does not protect. Above wrote about SELinux, try to bypass it, tried to receive file access to which access given seuser is forbidden.

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Hello, Stanislaw K, you wrote: SK> the Computer with the Internet too. Since possibility to deprive the owner of the computer of means on banking to the account (starvation in a debt hole) finishing the order to the neighbor of the killer of service etching cockroaches poisonous gas. John Dillindzher perfectly deprived banks of money without any computers. Now enough widespread systems of banking self-service. Administrators and  one of banks said to me what to break them try, judging by broad gulls, 24 hours a day 7 days in a week. But in all known cases successful  money at the owner someone from workers of the bank, having access to the necessary data participated.

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Hello, Privalov, you wrote: SK>> the Computer with the Internet too. Since possibility to deprive the owner of the computer of means on banking to the account (starvation in a debt hole) finishing the order to the neighbor of the killer of service etching cockroaches poisonous gas. P> John Dillindzher perfectly deprived banks of money without any computers. Only because in those days there were no computers. Only on it. P> now enough widespread systems of banking self-service. Administrators and  one of banks said to me what to break them try, judging by broad gulls, 24 hours a day 7 days in a week. Similar, to it they presented tailor's meter, now   a method . On broad gulls any, everyone, white IP on the Internet, try to break 24/7/365. And to hackers it is absolute , a cash dispense there or an electrical bulb. P> but in all known cases successful  money at the owner someone from workers of the bank, having access to the necessary data participated. Speech not only about . Temporal inaccessibility even to one record of a DB can lead to fatal consequences. When the cash dispense cannot produce to you money because the channel "lies" from for  and the seller cannot sell to you a crust of bread without cash. P.S. One acquaintance "the administrator and ", one financial organization, wrote down in breaking attempts entering packets "ICMP ECHO REQ". At one time he tried to consider packets got to rule Reject, and on the basis of an amount of "the reflected attacks" to get wages, under the rate one = rouble. Interesting, there in "one of banks" his brother works, or he?

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Hello, Stanislaw K, you wrote: SK> By no means! In this case "check by an antivirus" - attempt at least to lower the responsibility transforming in collective as maximum - completely to shift the responsibility on whom that another. SK> from a series "it not I it killed a reasoning, I only for the end held a knife". Well the condom too can be torn, but you suggest it not to use.

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Hello, Privalov, you wrote: P> Administrators and  one of banks said to me what to break them try, judging by broad gulls, 24 hours a day 7 days in a week. It is ready to argue, you break not less, if only you not for .

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Hello, Vain, you wrote: V> Well the condom too can be torn, but you suggest it not to use. He suggests not to carry it round the clock.  quite suits for a condom role in your analogy.

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Hello, vsb, you wrote: vsb> I.e. an online antivirus? But same it is inconvenient. But if who would like, it is possible and so, of course, only it already antivirus usage. And to use it happens it is necessary rarely enough, thus it does not hinder, when is not necessary.

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Hello, Ops, you wrote: V>> Well the condom too can be torn, but you suggest it not to use. Ops> he suggests not to carry it round the clock.  quite suits for a condom role in your analogy. Does not suit any more, you actually do not know when to put on a condom, an antivirus not so simply file  as were earlier. The infection can be picked up through the browser.

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Hello, Vain, you wrote: V> does not suit Any more, you actually do not know when to put on a condom, an antivirus not so simply file  as were earlier. The infection can be picked up through the browser. So if to use station whores also the condom not so helps.

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Hello, Stanislaw K, you wrote: SK> only because in those days there were no computers. Only on it. Now sometimes cash dispenses a tractor pull out. SK> when the cash dispense cannot produce to you money because the channel "lies" from for  and the seller cannot sell to you a crust of bread without cash. Similar sometimes happens during week-end in the mornings. But more often not because of , and because of someone's  when the communication channel with a cash dispense or the terminal falls off on , and there is nobody it to open. I such  had to repair once, truth, it has not been connected to payment systems. SK> it is interesting, there in "one of banks" his brother works, or he? In that bank I worked. Not the administrator and not . But were intersected with them on operation.

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Hello, Ops, you wrote: V>> does not suit Any more, you actually do not know when to put on a condom, an antivirus not so simply file  as were earlier. The infection can be picked up through the browser. Ops> so if to use station whores also the condom not so helps. You do not use the browser? And analogy incorrect, you in a public place that is enough for  an infection. To use station whores now it is optional.

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Hello, Vain, you wrote: V> You do not use the browser? I do not use doubtful sites. V> and analogy incorrect, you in a public place that is enough for  an infection. To use station whores now it is optional. Public places happen different, and to behave in them it is possible differently, and some to avoid. As practice shows, "not to put anywhere" normally better, than to put anywhere, but with an antivirus. And is cleaner somehow. It not the general-purpose recipe, of course, but it works, for example, for me.

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Hello, Ops, you wrote: V>> You do not use the browser? Ops> I do not use doubtful sites. And where it is written that they doubtful? For example, it is enough not to walk, but with included  and all to catch. V>> and analogy incorrect, you in a public place that is enough for  an infection. To use station whores now it is optional. Ops> public places happen different, and to behave in them it is possible differently, and some to avoid. As practice shows, "not to put anywhere" normally better, than to put anywhere, but with an antivirus. And is cleaner somehow. And now it is not necessary to put, any your action, for example, "ate something" or "inhaled something" or "had a look at something" it will be equal "thrust not there". If Magomet does not go to whores whores go. Well you understood. Ops> it not the general-purpose recipe, of course, but it works, for example, for me. For the time being.

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Hello, Vain, you wrote: V> And where it is written that they doubtful? And where it is written, what a brothel - an institution doubtful? Anywhere. To you there can even show fresh helps. V> for example, it is enough not to walk, but with included  and all to catch. It as? It is necessary that this  whence booted, not? V> And now it is not necessary to put, any your action, for example, "ate something" or "inhaled something" or "had a look at something" it will be equal "thrust not there". If Magomet does not go to whores whores go. Well you understood. If you get to a doubtful place it is necessary to minimize a finding there, and, especially, use by local sights, like whores, vagabonds and . I speak, cleanliness solves. V> for the time being. Years 20 flight normal, thus more than once in this time helped to be treated to users of antiviruses And at first them used, but from , for example, it did not help.

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Hello, Michael7, you wrote:    does not allow to me to download . I do not say that all  warm and fuzzy, but a pancake, I do not want, that for me decided that I can download, and that it is impossible. Forbid to stay

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Hello, Vain, you wrote: V>>> You do not use the browser? Ops>> I do not use doubtful sites. V> and where it is written that they doubtful? By whom it is written? You, at least, divide the responsibility, transforming it in collective as a maximum - completely you shift the responsibility on whom that another. "Oh! And me did not tell that if I jump off about 10 floors will be sick, it THEY are guilty!"

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Hello, Ops, you wrote: P>> Administrators and  one of banks said to me what to break them try, judging by broad gulls, 24 hours a day 7 days in a week. Ops> it is ready to argue, you break not less, if only you not for . Yes, in general that, and NAT at all a noise. As that influences an amount of attempts of "breaking" firewall  packets. firewall  the attention only draws.

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Hello, Stanislaw K, you wrote: SK> Yes, in general that, and NAT at all a noise. As that influences an amount of attempts of "breaking" firewall  packets. firewall  the attention only draws. Well so if for  break  the address, and it stupidly does not reach.

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Hello, Privalov, you wrote: SK>> only because in those days there were no computers. Only on it. P> now sometimes cash dispenses a tractor pull out. JFYI - in a tractor computer system of ignition. To the utmost it is computer breaking. SK>> when the cash dispense cannot produce to you money because the channel "lies" from for  and the seller cannot sell to you a crust of bread without cash. P> similar sometimes happens during week-end in the mornings. But more often not because of , and because of someone's  when the communication channel with a cash dispense or the terminal falls off on , and there is nobody it to open. I such  had to repair once, truth, it has not been connected to payment systems. "The communication channel with a cash dispense or the terminal falls off on , and there is nobody it to open" If I had to repair such , I would take 400 gram metalwork hammer and guilty parts would lie in resuscitation." Not to whom to open a communication channel with a cash dispense, closed on  ". It ! Who such invented? Who such made? Who admitted to ? Remaining why were silent? I think in resuscitation many would lie not, envying those not privy lucky beggars who lies in a mortuary. SK>> it is interesting, there in" one of banks "his brother works, or he? P> in that bank I worked. Not the administrator and not . But were intersected with them on operation. He was called by" Dima  "?

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Hello, Ops, you wrote: SK>> Yes, in general that, and NAT at all a noise. As that influences an amount of attempts of "breaking" firewall  packets. firewall  the attention only draws. Ops> well so if for  break  the address, and it stupidly does not reach. For a long time there are not difficult techniques of passage through NAT. Connection initialization outside, on a host which does not wait for it.

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Hello, Stanislaw K, you wrote: SK> For a long time there are not difficult techniques of passage through NAT. Connection initialization outside, on a host which does not wait for it. From what    will be somewhere  exterior connection?

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Hello, vsb, you wrote: vsb> Because the car is mortally dangerous to associates, and misuse of the computer for surrounding a maximum is sensitive adds to spam and . The computer can be such, for example

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Hello, Stanislaw K, you wrote: SK> SK> "Not to whom to open a communication channel with a cash dispense, closed on ". On  is I unsuccessfully expressed. I do not know precisely, for what reason it was closed. But to open in its morning on Saturday there was nobody. In my case there was a similar situation. Then decided to use the certain existing infrastructure which has worked years. Something there did not consider, adjusting it for new requirements. We found and repaired. P>> in that bank I worked. Not the administrator and not . But were intersected with them on operation. SK> he was called by "Dima "? It is it of whom?