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Hello, sin_cos, you wrote: _>  hunting? One example followed and drew an output about all progress in AI. This example - an illustration. I did outputs not on the basis of it. But if you want , carry the examples, that there. Only look that not one and that outputs could be made.

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_> progress in the field of AI goes quickly enough. . And where it, this progress, at least on an example ? Or where it on an example of the nurse who are overturning and washing away  200 the patient?

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Hello, , you wrote: why AI not to worship to people as to a deity? After all the person worships... And if AI will be "just like" it is quite reasonable to expect that AI starts to search for object for : women/children, the native land, , ... To That-that it can refine itself(himself), singularity, its mother. And who in this situation will be god? WorShip me (C) Frenk Herbert

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_> whence pleasure concerning AI? Concerning machine intelligence there is a remarkable fragment from the book (film) "Space Odyssey of 2001". There AI there was a task in view a manual from the earth. The crew knew nothing about this task. AI decided that presence of people by the ship poses serious threat for implementation of the task and killed all crew. The V-general even if AI will not put the task in itself all the same anything good will not be as lives  are not a great value for those who will put these tasks. The countries track one after another. We admit, it becomes obvious that any country is on the threshold of implementation of the most powerful AI which gives to this country the most powerful competitive, military, economic advantage over other countries. What response of other countries will be? It is assured that after a situation assessment any other country puts a nuclear attack. Concerning that progress is not visible. Progress goes on an exhibitor. Good analogy to a pond and duckweed. We admit, the duckweed got to a pond. It expands on the area in 2 times every day. The first 90 days of development on a pond surface it will not be noticeable any changes, and for the subsequent 10 days from a small islet the duckweed occupies all pond. 90 days in AI transited)

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Hello, senglory, you wrote: _>> progress in the field of AI goes quickly enough. S> Ugu. And where it, this progress, at least on an example ? "google translate ai progress"

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Hello, LuciferSaratov, you wrote: LS> Hello, sin_cos, you wrote: _>>  hunting? One example followed and drew an output about all progress in AI. LS> this example - an illustration. LS> I did outputs not on the basis of it. And on the base of that?

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S>> Ugu. And where it, this progress, at least on an example ? _> "google translate ai progress" If that . that I receive while translating through it is a progress (especially if from German the document official to translate) I am Mao Tsze Donne.

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Hello, sin_cos, you wrote: _> at English-speaking forums 11 from 10 something always rejoice. They optimists. _> it after all replaces all and all and operation will not be almost at anybody. You too the big optimist.

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Hello, De-Bill, you wrote: DB> Progress goes on an exhibitor. Still it is necessary to prove it. Especially that progress * in * is obliged to go on an exhibitor. Where, say,  progress in transport development? We fly practically by the same planes and it is floated by the same ships, as half-centuries ago. Where  progress in rocket production? In 60, I think, there were enough believers in extrapolation of historical progress on the rocket production, assured, what to 2000 we will live on Mars. There is no natural law on an exhibitor.

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DB>> Progress goes on an exhibitor. RNS> still it is necessary to prove it. Especially that progress * in * is obliged to go on an exhibitor. Where, say,  progress in transport development? We fly practically by the same planes and it is floated by the same ships, as half-centuries ago. Where  progress in rocket production? In 60, I think, there were enough believers in extrapolation of historical progress on the rocket production, assured, what to 2000 we will live on Mars. RNS> there is no natural law on an exhibitor. Yes these rested confuse an exponent to first "slider". Type yesterday could not anything, today something, tomorrow already we creep on an arena, the day after tomorrow already and  from it. First it seems that growth and prompt, exhibitors how many , we grow over themselves directly on orders. And it is simply psychological deceit. From zero always growth noticeable, and it like as well as on "orders" at once. Just was nothing (zero), already something (unit - psychologically like as "order" for though something), and there you look already to 10  (still growth at the order). But all is errors of perception of the first steps. Since when was "0" - anybody and does not try. When "1" - others will already be connected (competitors, assistants, colleagues, special services - necessary to underline). And it and is clear: after "unit" achievement something becomes clear that "probably", and efforts considerably increase at the expense of the connected. Well and consequently it started to come nearer on the sly to "ten"... But it and all.  to "exhibitor", after "10" for some reason not "hundred", and  "11, 12" and all more slowly and more slowly. And ku-ku. Before following break ("unit"). But magic , , and the cleared up imagination already all made.

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RNS> Where, say,  progress in transport development? We fly practically by the same planes and it is floated by the same ships, as half-centuries ago. All right in rocket production. When at last in the house-keeper a class in the plane it will be possible to have a sleep as in reserved seat  trains at least?

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Hello, senglory, you wrote: S>>> Ugu. And where it, this progress, at least on an example ? _>> "google translate ai progress" S> If that . that I receive while translating through it is a progress (especially if from German the document official to translate) I am Mao Tsze Donne. And than you not Mao Dze Donne?

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Hello, RiNSpy, you wrote: RNS> Hello, De-Bill, you wrote: DB>> Progress goes on an exhibitor. RNS> still it is necessary to prove it. Especially that progress * in * is obliged to go on an exhibitor. Where, say,  progress in transport development? We fly practically by the same planes and it is floated by the same ships, as half-centuries ago. Where  progress in rocket production? In 60, I think, there were enough believers in extrapolation of historical progress on the rocket production, assured, what to 2000 we will live on Mars. RNS> there is no natural law on an exhibitor. Here also prove that it is not present. How you measure ex-potential progress? You in course of all news? Can, achieve that, for example, the engine consumed N/2 fuel on start is a cool progress. But, you can not consider it as progress. You can not know at all about it achievement. At you after all houses of the personal rocket still are not present - means, progress is not present. And differently, it is possible to tell - earlier mail the present birds, and now iron - a cargo planes. One figs. Any progress.

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Hello, sin_cos, you wrote: RNS>> There is no natural law on an exhibitor. _> here also prove that it is not present. What for to me to prove? I state nothing, can, and there is an exponential development, but without proofs I will not accept it. Actually, you express a position of Kurtsvejla, and I am Paul Allen in this discussion: https://www.technologyreview.com/s/4257 … isnt-near/ _> as you measure ex-potential progress? You in course of all news? Can, achieve that, for example, the engine consumed N/2 fuel on start is a cool progress. But, you can not consider it as progress. You can not know at all about it achievement. At you after all houses of the personal rocket still are not present - means, progress is not present. Well I do not know. Where here an exponent? With open years it is not visible: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_ … xploration On the other hand, I admit that complexity of tasks grows too exponentially and consequently  science developments it is compensated. But the essence from it does not change -  * * is not guaranteed completely not.

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Hello, sin_cos, you wrote: LS>> this example - an illustration. LS>> I did outputs not on the basis of it. _> and on the base of that? On the basis of that all progress in AI is progress in feeble AI. Pattern recognition, expert systems are all certainly it is necessary and it is useful for a national economy, but to the strong AI has the extremely indirect relation.

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Hello, De-Bill, you wrote: DB> It is assured that after a situation assessment any other country puts a nuclear attack. And you are assured, what it not suicide for the attacking side?

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Hello, sin_cos, you wrote: _> whence pleasure concerning AI? I do not know, whence pleasure. The people really not  that this candy with numerous "surprises". Also put not so much that robots enslave people (here more likely is not present, than yes), and that some noticeably will be aggravated really  problems. In particular, the problem of a restlessness also known as "existential crisis". And the society in places will react to it not so adequately. Nevertheless, it is possible and it is necessary to look ahead with optimism, because: 1. AI arrival will be in its some aspects trouble, but not such which cannot be worried. The society should be transformed, but it for it customary business. 2. Setting of a question "robots is cleverer than people" is wrong. Mind - not that piece which can be expressed scalar number, whether and consequently result of calculation of the answer to a question "is cleverer this robot of the person?" Is obliged to be NULL 3. I do not see anything bad in that some problems which make the life for a long time already of us miserable, will be finished to . We consider, for example, a problem of robots-murderers. Naturally, fighters easily spit on Isaac Azimov's creative heritage, and joyfully rush to apply AI in business of destruction similar. The mad robot-murderer is, of course, a problem. But not especially mean problem because nobody hinders for robots-murderers to create robots-murderers of robots-murderers. That state of affairs which we watch now (in mad biorobots-murderers system in large quantities transforms live people) - much worse. 4. AI comes not alone. With it the new understanding of that there is a person, and what its place in our guilty world comes. And it already really is interesting. 5. Some types of activity cannot intercept robots on themselves. Owing to, so to say, fundamental restrictions. As it strange sounds, but I am assured that high-grade machine translation basically cannot be implemented. That now becomes is a compilation, as a matter of fact, the word-per-word translation. Quality of this word-per-word translation is possible (and it is necessary) to raise, but to become that high-grade transfer which becomes manually, it can never.

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Hello, Voblin, you wrote: for me it is important here that: 1) if AI itself also does not enslave people they will be enthralled by means of AI by an apex of a society which will own it. 2) will not be operation. Though yes, I agree that in some spheres the robot on a level with the person it will be never simple because it lifeless. The robot does not breathe. Breath it is not simple air there-here. The robot cannot meditate. The robot cannot have a member. The robot does not guzzle. The robot does not sleep. A dream it is not simple rest. The robot does not learn that such to go against itself, when laziness, for example, in 6 mornings to snow on jog.

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Hello, LuciferSaratov, you wrote: LS> Hello, sin_cos, you wrote: LS>>> this example - an illustration. LS>>> I did outputs not on the basis of it. _>> and on the base of that? LS> on the basis of that all progress in AI is progress in feeble AI. LS> pattern recognition, expert systems are all certainly it is necessary and it is useful for a national economy, but to the strong AI has the extremely indirect relation. Now it feeble, yes.

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Hello, sin_cos, you wrote: _> 1) if AI itself also does not enslave people they will be enthralled by means of AI by an apex of a society which will own it. I not against so-called "a society apex" a little bit this thought amused myself. The reality will be that that AI-devices it will be possible to buy Chineses on  at the price beginning from dollar. All complexity of this of the yet not born technology after all that at us yet does not suffice  to invent a principle. And as soon as it will be once invented, the genie immediately is issued from a bottle, and through a short interval the Chinese vendor rolls out  lineups. Cheap but good, three piece at the price of two. _> 2) will not be operation. Here it is the most interesting moment in all this history. Finishing of existential crisis to . _> the robot cannot have a member. It why? In my opinion, and now with it of any problems. _> the robot does not sleep. Dream it is not simple rest. Something prompts to me that it will be not absolutely so. Most likely, for preventing of degradation of networks it will be periodically necessary to enter them into a mode of magic madness. But to spend for it third of "life", clear business, it will not be necessary. _> the robot does not learn that such to go against itself, when laziness, for example, in 6 mornings to snow on jog. Meanwhile early something to tell about .

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