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Hello, Ziaw, you wrote: Z> I think you understand that it  units which do not cover need. Even those who can - a little. And that who goes? And those who holds on more half a year? And what for to keep it is more than half a year? To conclude the contract for academic year, half a year or  and norms. There will be a natural rotation. When I studied, at us replaced 8 teachers of computer science and 4 teachers of physics and it especially did not baffle anybody. Z> at me the big doubts that parents are capable to make any realized collective decisions. After I and in gardens visited several classes at PTA meetings, generally it seems to me that they are incapable for made time to make even obvious offered decisions. To work out and make the decisions they are resolutely incapable, not to mention quality of these decisions (three hours we procrastinate, night already, all are ready to vote though for line bald). Is such, unfortunately the majority of people at us are not capable to agree normally, well so let study. The school for this purpose suits not too badly. Z> for sentences it is necessary to understand, what problem it is solved. If it is a problem "at us  mountains" to refine motivation of teachers. It is the project on a quarter if not on half, centuries, and it would be desirable results already now.

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Hello, vsb, you wrote: vsb> it is not mandatory. That it is possible to check up program (tests) it should be checked program. That it is necessary to check manually, should mix up on all republic and 26 schoolboys Rasula the teacher Maria from Vladivostok (naturally without suspecting about it) should check the answer to a question. You will not check. All indeed, only within one region. And each operation is checked by two teachers and if estimations strongly differ - the chairman of the commission personally. That it is possible to check up program is checked  program. vsb> All software should work in Moscow i.e. to forge results, it is necessary to bribe the Moscow programmers, at least. Can for the sake of very high person such and do, but they do not do statistics, and remaining it will be not on forces. I once was engaged in automation of check of Unified State Examination, check, there all is normal. Bribe at other stage, simply write examination for the pupil. For this purpose it is enough to bribe the commission at specific school. It is difficult, but in some regions probably, for example in Tuva there are remote schools in a taiga where before Unified State Examination there arrives on training set of beginners. I think in Dagestan and the Chechen Republic a pattern similar. Another matter that in country scales is the insignificant phenomena and influence in the core mood of people with the aggravated sense of justice.

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Hello, pestis, you wrote: P> it is Enough  Unified State Examination of these regions for arrival in HIGH SCHOOLS of other regions. With such ideas to you to Ukraine. You there with Vovka find common language.

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Hello, pestis, you wrote: P> I Calculate, and I put to it efforts. And I want that my child studied among those children who divides my sights. And children of fans of beer and the TV set start up study somewhere in other place, and then arrive in the TECHNICAL TRAINING COLLEGE. Well dare, .

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Hello, LaptevVV, you wrote: LVV> the log, a diary, and electronic log In the presence of third first two are not necessary.

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LVV>> Halts offered, when it leaves at school 3 documents for the teacher: LVV>> log, a diary, and electronic log S> How it affects poor-quality teachers? To learn the subject they become better not - since they basically did not master it. S> and such  at us mountain. It is clear that the reporting hinders good teachers to work. But that at us is more than bad - and they anywhere do not get to. The bad programmers too it is strong more than good... If at school there will be 1-2 good teachers who will LEARN, instead of the reporting to write also remaining will be tightened.

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LVV>> 2. Forbade at schools even a mention of educational services, deciding that the main thing - education. Z> and it is cheap populism. In the beginning there was a WORD! LVV>> 3. Next year is going to lead ALL-RUSSIA control at schools in subjects which least hand over all on Unified State Examination. Z> the next global testing? What in it especial? No. This unscheduled. It will be possible to receive real digits about  on disciplines, which not for arrival in high school. For on Unified State Examination - all at us is good...

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LVV>> the log, a diary, and electronic log Z> In the presence of third first two are not necessary. Are necessary. While are necessary. Not all parents (and teachers) - the advanced users. Especially, in some places, where with an Internet rather badly...

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Hello, LaptevVV, you wrote: LVV> the Bad programmers too it is strong more than good... LVV> If at school there will be 1-2 good teachers who will LEARN, instead of the reporting to write also remaining will be tightened. But how, Holmes?! In any school are para-triple of good teachers. Where and how the remaining should be tightened? To equal on strong it is possible, when you work in group over one task. Teachers - not that case. There everyone struggles with pupils alone.

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LVV>> the Bad programmers too it is strong more than good... LVV>> If at school there will be 1-2 good teachers who will LEARN, instead of the reporting to write also remaining will be tightened. SVZ> but how, Holmes?! SVZ> in any school are para-triple of good teachers. Where and how the remaining should be tightened? SVZ> to Equal on strong it is possible, when you work in group over one task. Teachers - not that case. There everyone struggles with pupils alone. You taught for a long time? I deal with teachers of computer science densely enough. Therefore I know, about what I speak. Teachers - that case...

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Hello, LaptevVV, you wrote: SVZ>> In any school are para-triple of good teachers. Where and how the remaining should be tightened? SVZ>> to Equal on strong it is possible, when you work in group over one task. Teachers - not that case. There everyone struggles with pupils alone. LVV> you taught for a long time? LVV> I deal with teachers of computer science densely enough. Therefore I know, about what I speak. LVV> teachers - that case... At me the teacher now on kitchen sits, for tomorrow's lessons prepares. I admit that to the wife simply did not bring also school in which it works, nasty. All plow under the schedule, are among themselves intersected either in buffet, or by searches of class logs and how they can be tightened I I can not present.

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Hello, LaptevVV, you wrote: LVV> Not all parents (and teachers) - the advanced users. For parents still it is possible to leave a diary though and it is disputable. But the teacher should learn to use electronic, anybody for it will not conduct also its all school to wait too is not obliged. LVV> especially, in some places, where with an Internet rather badly... It is absolutely separate problem, it is in these parts full also of other specificity, on them it is impossible to correct generally any common decisions.

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Hello, LaptevVV, you wrote: LVV> In the beginning there was a WORD! I not against education, but a word here not the main thing. The main thing people and the relation to them. LVV> Is not present. This unscheduled. It is good or bad? LVV> it will be possible to receive real digits about  on disciplines, which not for arrival in high school. That is its main assignment to confirm someone's hypothesis about ? It is the bad management method. LVV> for on Unified State Examination - all at us is good... How defined?

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LVV>> Is not present. This unscheduled. Z> it is good or bad? The emergency operation on removal of a tumor it is good or bad? On the one hand it is good, noted and still it is possible to make something, on the other hand it is bad that late noted. LVV>> it will be possible to receive real digits about  on disciplines, which not for arrival in high school. Z> that is its main assignment to confirm someone's hypothesis about ? It is the bad management method. No, its main assignment to clarify the broad picture and to estimate disaster scales.

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Hello, Dym On, you wrote: DO> the Emergency operation on removal of a tumor it is good or bad? On the one hand it is good, noted and still it is possible to make something, on the other hand it is bad that late noted. We speak about unscheduled control what it concerns operation? DO> is not present, its main assignment to clarify the broad picture and to estimate disaster scales. To clarify the broad picture good idea. But here to me sees more "to estimate disaster scales". It is worse, is simple because presence of the disaster is not considered any more and any urgent panic actions already are to be undertaken. Formation works. Well-whether, badly-whether - works and in my opinion school it is quite good enough, not including rather new to schools of mechanisms of financing, here there are constant experiments and about any results to speak difficult. Those problems which see I have roots insufficient motivation and congestion of teachers on the one hand and lowering of prestigiousness of good secondary education and level of unconditional respect for teachers with another. Problems complex. To solve them it is necessary including in HIGH SCHOOLS.

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DO>> the Emergency operation on removal of a tumor it is good or bad? On the one hand it is good, noted and still it is possible to make something, on the other hand it is bad that late noted. Z> we speak about unscheduled control what it concerns operation? This correct analogy to approach with a scale "well-badly senselessly. DO>> is not present, its main assignment to clarify the broad picture and to estimate disaster scales. Z> to clarify the broad picture the good idea. But here to me sees more" to estimate disaster scales ". It is worse, is simple because presence of the disaster is not considered any more and any urgent panic actions already are to be undertaken. Normal actions. It is necessary to understand, what level at the pupil and how much it corresponds to the standard. Unscheduled control this correct decision. Any panic. Z> problems complex. Nobody argues. That them it is necessary to decide to carry object investigation at first.

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Z>> Bribery there in separate problem regions. In these regions any other system of estimation will give similar failures. vsb> it is not mandatory. That it is possible to check up program (tests) should be checked program. That it is necessary to check manually, should mix up on all republic and 26 schoolboys Rasula the teacher Maria from Vladivostok (naturally without suspecting about it) should check the answer to a question. All software should work in Moscow i.e. to forge results, it is necessary to bribe the Moscow programmers, at least. Can for the sake of very high person such and do, but they do not do statistics, and remaining it will be not on forces. You not in a subject. Corruption on Unified State Examination takes place not at a check stage, there all already how you offer. Violations happen at a delivery stage.

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LVV>>> 3. Next year is going to lead ALL-RUSSIA control at schools in subjects which least hand over all on Unified State Examination. Z>> the next global testing? What in it especial? LVV> is not present. This unscheduled. LVV> it will be possible to receive real digits about  on disciplines, which not for arrival in high school. What further? It will be installed that schoolboys of high classes in large quantities put on geography, biology and to that similar exotic subjects (exotic in the sense that mathematicians or Russian are required only in specific high schools, not). And? It, of course, again passage to a question on a necessary dial-up of subjects and their "depth", so to say.

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TMU> That further? It will be installed that schoolboys of high classes in large quantities put on geography, biology and to that similar exotic subjects (exotic in the sense that mathematicians or Russian are required only in specific high schools, not). And? It, of course, again passage to a question on a necessary dial-up of subjects and their "depth", so to say. And further the minister and its ministry will decide what to do. To leave as is, or nevertheless something to undertake. The second variant - is more probable, for itself control for this purpose and will be led. The question on a necessary dial-up of subjects - is solved for a long time. These are what else at us at school taught. From those on the computer science - for the objective reasons was added only.

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LVV>> Teachers - that case... SVZ> At me the teacher now on kitchen sits, for tomorrow's lessons prepares. At me - too. SVZ> I admit that to the wife simply did not bring also school in which it works, nasty. SVZ> all plow under the schedule, are among themselves intersected either in buffet, or by searches of class logs and how they can be tightened I I can not present. My teacher (computer science) simply nearby had other teacher of computer science. And they together conducted all high classes. Naturally, they quickly united and began to carry out coordinated to the policy in relation to pupils. Moreover, I had a cool conflict to the director of that it to almost all class exposed twains in a quarter for violation of jobs. In the following quarter worked as pretty.

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Hello, LaptevVV, you wrote: SVZ>> I admit that to the wife simply did not bring also school in which it works, nasty. SVZ>> all plow under the schedule, are among themselves intersected either in buffet, or by searches of class logs and how they can be tightened I I can not present. LVV> my teacher (computer science) simply nearby had other teacher of computer science. LVV> and they together conducted all high classes. LVV> it is natural, they quickly united and began to carry out coordinated to the policy in relation to pupils. Clearly, well i.e. it not crystallization of all . Collective round the strong teacher, and simply two colleagues by misfortune  Well at least so. LVV> Moreover, I had a cool conflict to the director of that it to almost all class exposed twains in a quarter for violation of jobs. Still, such  indexes fine beats on school In such cases parents lift howl. And here go, check up - pupils do not do the job because  or because do not understand, and the teacher does not explain intelligibly enough (because of the low qualification or because of personal interest). LVV> In the following quarter worked as pretty.