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Re: In Moscow trolley buses all?

Hello, Erop, you wrote: E> Hello, RussianFellow, you wrote: E> And what for it is necessary? There big  or  a flow? E> if speech about trade Pitru is more logical to trade with Finland, like as, instead of with the Eastern Europe, and, especially, Ukraine... St.-Petersburg trades with Belarus, with Poland, Germany etc. And in Ukraine all will be adjusted - will be with Ukraine and Moldova to trade. A Vitebsk direction from St.-Petersburg - strained. Many trains walk. One only fast and passenger pairs ten for days goes. RF>> 2. A section of Novolisino - Novgorod. Allows to start up electric trains from VITEBSK station of St.-Petersburg to Great Novgorod. E> too somehow the scoring and expenses disproportionately looks... For convenience of people. RF>> 3. Luga - the Bottom. Allows to start up electric trains from St.-Petersburg to Pskov. E> and it what for generally is necessary? Similarly - for convenience of people. RF>> 4. Obozersky - Arkhangelsk. Will be logical end of electrification of a railroad line on the north from Yaroslavl. E> "logical" is about what." Favourably because "is here the business approach Arkhangelsk - seaport. E> Besides, I see that while there was money, the Russian Railway  developed an infrastructure. Including electrified any sections... E> So all is explicit here not so simply. I see. Money at the Russian Railway is not present. It already another story. RF>> 5. Shahovsky - Rzhev. Allows to reach from Moscow Rzhev by electric trains. E> what for? For convenience of people. RF>> 8.  - Kotlas - Mikun - Vorkuta. Refines supply of Republic Komi with remaining Russia. E> too it is not clear what for and whether refines. In a severe climate, by the way, the contact network badly conducts itself. Is frosted over, it is torn and so on... To Murmansk electrified - and anything. In Finland, Sweden, Norway too the railways are electrified, though there a climate not the southern. RF>> it has been made to the Maidan of 2013. E>" Tse Europe "there year with 1989, if not earlier... I was in Poltava in 1990 (I then was 16 years old). Any " Europe" there also did not smell. It began in Ukraine later, after 1991.

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Hello, RussianFellow, you wrote: RF> Hello, AleksandrN, you wrote: AN>> make determination of driving of a train "in an in a civilized way way" and not "in an in a civilized way way". RF> That the person on Vitebsk the station in St.-Petersburg of villages in an electric train also would reach to Great Novgorod. And now can reach only to Novolisina. 3 electric trains and 4 trains of distant following in day, but the majority - from the Moscow station (according to the Yandex-schedule). RF> That the person on Vitebsk station in St.-Petersburg sat down on an electric train and reached to station the Bottom (the railway junction in the Pskov area), there changed on an electric train and reached to Novosokolnikov. And there it is possible to Velikie Luki and by the bus to reach. RF> and now can only to Oredezha. From St.-Petersburg 200 kilometers to the bottom there are more. More conveniently and faster by train distant following to reach (them nearby 20 walks). RF> That on Warsaw (or what there) station in St.-Petersburg the person sat down in an electric train and reached to Pskov. And now only to station Luga, and further by the bus (or a suburban train Luga - Pskov,  walks two times a day). 260 kilometers. The electric train on such distance will be terribly inconvenient. From St.-Petersburg to Pskov 2 trains of distant following walk, it is a lot of buses and 1 flight. RF> it is good though Gatchina - Vejmarn - Boilers - Ust-meadows electrified a section. RF> It is necessary to electrify still a section -------- that the person on Baltiysk station of villages on an electric train, reached to Ivangorod, outpassed between Russia and Estonia, villages in Narva on other electric train and reached to Tallinn. It is convenient, agree. According to the Yandex-schedules 1 electric train walks. Probably - ways already electrified. RF> that the person at the Riga station in Moscow at station Rizhskmom of villages on an electric train also reached to Rzhev without changes (as conveniently, isn't that so?) . RF> And now it is necessary to do change in Shahovsky on the bus or on a suburban train which ONE (!) walks Time a day. Or to go to Rzhev by the bus from underground "Tushinsky". Conveniently. But in my judgement - the bus or a train of distant following on distance of 200 km. More conveniently and faster. RF> that from Paveletsky station did not spend 15 - 18 - 20 or how many there minutes on  the locomotive in the Necklace (if to go in the Donbass direction) - and the electric locomotive would take a train from Moscow to Eltsa. RF> That such regional center as Ulyanovsk (whence I come and where there live my relatives) would have normal railway communication with Inzoj (a railway junction in the west of the Ulyanovsk region) at which locomotives should be changed not in Inze, and in Potme/Zubovoj to the Glade/sasove/shilove. RF> that to inhabitants and the enterprises of Ulyanovsk there would be no problems with railway communication. (From Ulyanovsk four branch lines (on Inzu, to Bugulma, to Kazan and to Syzran and all of them - single-track not electrified) depart.) RF> That a train No 100 Moscow - Vladivostok would not change locomotives in Galich (a section Kostroma - Galich not electrified). RF> That inhabitants of Arkhangelsk would not suffer with diesel locomotives, to whose fire chamber submit even not diesel fuel, and a plastic waste. (Saw such reporting on the Internet). RF> That trains Moscow - Saratov did not waste time for change of locomotives in Rtishcheve. Change of locomotives happens on any, long enough, a route of distant following, including if all line is electrified. And the suburban message can be organized also by diesel trains. But here still a question available demand. On distance to 500 km. Many prefer to go by the bus or by the machine.

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Hello, RussianFellow, you wrote: E>> If speech about trade Pitru is more logical to trade with Finland, like as, instead of with the Eastern Europe, and, especially, Ukraine... RF> St.-Petersburg trades with Belarus, with Poland, Germany etc. And in Ukraine all will be adjusted - will be with Ukraine and Moldova to trade. Oh-twist. Let at first it will be adjusted... Meanwhile the Russian Railway bypassing Ukraine constructed a branch... RF> the Vitebsk direction from St.-Petersburg - strained. Many trains walk. One only fast and passenger pairs ten for days goes. Well so is in time ? RF>>> 2. A section of Novolisino - Novgorod. Allows to start up electric trains from VITEBSK station of St.-Petersburg to Great Novgorod. E>> too somehow the scoring and expenses disproportionately looks... RF> For convenience of people. RF> for convenience of people. RF> for convenience of people. So and money where to take? It is type according to plan-unprofitable action, whether that will be? RF> Arkhangelsk - seaport. Peter too. To what good  in between? RF> it is clear. Money at the Russian Railway is not present. It already another story. Now in the Russian Federation crisis, falling of manufacture and transportations and so on if you not in course RF> To Murmansk electrified - and anything. In Finland, Sweden, Norway too the railways are electrified, though there a climate not the southern. This all much less severe places, than Inta. Look at winter isotherms of Eurasia, if that. RF> I was in Poltava in 1990 (I then was 16 years old). Any " Europe" there also did not smell. It began in Ukraine later, after 1991. Well, then there was "suffices to feed the Union" and "we want to live, as in Poland"...

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Hello, Patsak, you wrote: It is necessary, but it only a motor car park, and for trolley buses this depot + a network. Well, that is, if fairly to consider with a network trolley buses are more expensive... So quits?

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Re: In Moscow trolley buses all?

TMU>> Thin public transport? The USSR here precisely is in vain mentioned. A> in Minsk there did not go thin trolley buses? At me in a city went. I can tell nothing about Minsk, did not happen Is not present, well in output or there after 8 evenings - yes, it was free enough. And here before the beginning or after the termination of the working day...

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Hello, landerhigh, you wrote: L> it is Enough to order at last to any Russian car factory trolley buses with a store of an independent course at least kilometers in 5 and automatics of rise/cleaning of horns, And this factory is called Skoda. L> that places in any abstract city simply does not remain to buses. Also the contact network can be simplified very strongly. A network simplified, buses and trams from Riga anywhere did not get to. Judging by that very few people does such trolley buses, all variants are in three ranks fenced by patents.

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Hello, akasoft, you wrote: TMU>> Thin public transport? The USSR here precisely is in vain mentioned. A> in Minsk there did not go thin trolley buses? At me in a city went. It was in those hours when you shirked school.