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Topic: In Moscow trolley buses all?

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Hello, karbofos42, you wrote: K> I do not think what to throw out trolley buses and instead of them will buy new buses more cheaply, than maintenance of existing park of trolley buses. Do not think. Here you in how many change years personal machines of times?. E>> 2) a high system especially K> Road occupy equally that the bus that a trolley bus. Wires are already stretched, besides only it is necessary to contain them. This lies. The trolley bus hinders remaining machines much more strongly... E>> 3) to Heat salon electricity is expensive K> to Heat expensively, and to go cheaply. Here it is too much nuances to estimate that it is expensive, and that - is not present. K> Earlier trolley buses on cities for some reason did not break off to start up and the price for the ticket was more low, than on the bus. Is in the USSR earlier? K> when I went by terrestrial public transport the last time, was equally cold both in buses and in trolley buses. Therefore you there to go and ceased. And Ljuksutov wants that to people in FROM would be more comfortable, than in corks on the privately owned vehicle... K> While all civilized world is transplanted on the electrician, we refuse it. All . The world lives CONSIDERABLY to the south. K> Now we dig the factories and we dismiss the people, and in 5 years the same  we will buy from Chineses for expensive because suddenly we decide that ecology - our all. You think Moscow - a unique customer of trolley buses in the Russian Federation? And, by the way, vendors t at could think for a long time both of comfort and about . E>> 5) I quite admit that if to CONSIDER, with the registration of limitation of the budget and a high system that from changeover of trolley buses by GOOD buses it appears that it is correct and with . . Ecology too... K> And it as ecology to consider. On the average on hospital generally without a difference. And so it will be possible to pollute to district of Moscow, extracting an electricity, and in Moscow to breathe pure air K> Looking where  Moscow budget money - is not present any limitation of the budget. K> assign the mayor of the husband of the director of any trolleybus factory - trolley buses become suddenly favourable, and borders for billions roubles suddenly do not become important Well now the wife of the mayor buses does not do?.

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Hello, Erop, you wrote: E>... Dynamics at a trolley bus, however, much better, than at any bus. Profile experts state that as a whole trolley buses manage more cheaply (yes, with the registration of all expenditures).

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Hello, Micht, you wrote: M> Dynamics at a trolley bus, however, much better, than at any bus.  in FROM the speaker? M> profile experts state that as a whole trolley buses manage more cheaply (yes, with the registration of all expenditures). I think it it is impossible to tell, without counting the full deal.

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E> I Think it it is impossible to tell, without counting the full deal. Well you reverse  though here you did not spread counts

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Hello, snautSH, you wrote: E>> I Think it it is impossible to tell, without counting the full deal. SH> well you reverse  though counts here you did not spread I anything such did not state. I only say that a priori such estimations to give difficult. It is necessary to shorthand  a situation...

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Hello, karbofos42, you wrote: K> I do not think what to throw out trolley buses and instead of them will buy new buses more cheaply, than maintenance of existing park of trolley buses. Trolley buses and so throw out, changing for the new. K> road occupy equally that the bus that a trolley bus. Wires are already stretched, besides only it is necessary to contain them. The trolley bus much less maneuverable, and on arrows is still worse. To go round failure or repair on it in a regular mode it is impossible, and  for supernumerary there often died still in the days of yore. K> to heat expensively, and to go cheaply. Here it is too much nuances to estimate that it is expensive, and that - is not present. K> Earlier trolley buses on cities for some reason did not break off to start up and the price for the ticket was more low, than on the bus. K> when I went by terrestrial public transport the last time, was equally cold both in buses and in trolley buses. Earlier by them only went, and it is now frequent  in corks. K> While all civilized world is transplanted on the electrician, we refuse it. Now we dig the factories and we dismiss the people, and in 5 years the same  we will buy from Chineses for expensive because suddenly we decide that ecology - our all. Here it is not necessary stamps about the civilized world TM, descend in , there pluses and minuses of electric trains already many times assorted, objectively enough, and now the subject is. K> and it as ecology to consider. On the average on hospital generally without a difference. And so it will be possible to pollute to district of Moscow, extracting an electricity, and in Moscow to breathe pure air So speech not only about electricity framing. Formed from the trolley bus which has stuck because of flied horns cork  much more. And that did not fly, it is necessary to change cardinally their equipment and a network, "which already is".

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Hello, Erop, you wrote: E> Hello, karbofos42, you wrote: K>> I do not think what to throw out trolley buses and instead of them will buy new buses more cheaply, than maintenance of existing park of trolley buses. E> do not think. Here you in how many change years personal machines of times?. I Use public transport, machines never was. E>>> 2) a high system especially K>> Road occupy equally that the bus that a trolley bus. Wires are already stretched, besides only it is necessary to contain them. E> This lies. The trolley bus hinders remaining machines much more strongly... Hinders only there where are parked in not supposed places when horns are unhitched from wires More strongly or a wire are torn. Couple of years back  that plan to enter  with accumulators that they could pass pair of kilometers without  with wires. If all it does not remain at level of talks also problems from trolley buses would be exactly so much, how many from buses. In general, this type of transport it is possible  and to develop, instead of to refuse it. E>>> 3) to Heat salon electricity is expensive K>> to Heat expensively, and to go cheaply. Here it is too much nuances to estimate that it is expensive, and that - is not present. K>> Earlier trolley buses on cities for some reason did not break off to start up and the price for the ticket was more low, than on the bus. E> is in the USSR earlier? Here at least Penza the last years: http://documents.penza-gorod.ru/doc2-45.html here a little more last year's rates: https://regnum.ru/news/1935354.html somewhere the identical rate, somewhere trolley buses more cheaply and anywhere is not present them more expensively buses. K>> when I went by terrestrial public transport the last time, was equally cold both in buses and in trolley buses. E> therefore you there to go and ceased. And Ljuksutov wants that to people in FROM would be more comfortable, than in corks on the privately owned vehicle... In Moscow almost never by ground transport went because of corks. Easier and more conveniently by the underground to reach, and then on foot within 3 km to walk. In regions walked on foot in the core since in time that the bus you wait, on foot it is possible to reach (and it is free and it is useful for health). Minibuses never loved as a class. I will check more likely that Liksutov wants, that the servants stood in corks in FROM, and elite easy went by personal cars. K>> while all civilized world is transplanted on the electrician, we refuse it. E> All . The world lives CONSIDERABLY to the south. If the problem only and miscalculates heating then all is solved. At desire it is possible and to thrust separately a petrol oven if so on money it will be more favourable. In public transport eternally froze. In the street 20 minutes stand wait freeze, then while go from a stop to a stop of 5 minutes, the salon is not heated at all. K>> now we dig the factories and we dismiss the people, and in 5 years the same  we will buy from Chineses for expensive because suddenly we decide that ecology - our all. E> you Think Moscow - a unique customer of trolley buses in the Russian Federation? E> and, by the way, vendors t at could think for a long time both of comfort and about . I think that Moscow - an essential customer  and if she refuses them many people remains without operation. With  stirred up something, with comfort too most likely there are variants, but cities buy as a result that easier and more cheaply. To take the underground. Earlier all brought down on old compositions of times of the tsar of peas in which air conditioners do not work. Updated compositions, air conditioners work through time. They so save an electricity or break  - here I do not know, but both was , and remained. Time in a five-years period truth you get to composition where already a deep-freezer that just right a jacket to put on in the summer.

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Hello, Ops, you wrote: K>> While all civilized world is transplanted on the electrician, we refuse it. Now we dig the factories and we dismiss the people, and in 5 years the same  we will buy from Chineses for expensive because suddenly we decide that ecology - our all. Ops> here it is not necessary stamps about the civilized world TM, descend in , there pluses and minuses of electric trains already many times assorted, objectively enough, and now the subject is. Nevertheless in France, for example, actively build tram lines. So, over the last 10 years trams started up in Nice and in Grenoble though before many their years were not. (In the beginning of the twentieth century of tram ways to France was much, but after fortieth them removed almost completely from many cities). Why I do not know trams, instead of trolley buses, but I assume that business in capacity.

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Hello, B0FEE664, you wrote: BFE> Nevertheless in France, for example, actively build tram lines. So, over the last 10 years trams started up in Nice and in Grenoble though before many their years were not. (In the beginning of the twentieth century of tram ways to France was much, but after fortieth them removed almost completely from many cities). Why I do not know trams, instead of trolley buses, but I assume that business in capacity. And in Germany solar batteries of a roof , the peak does not allow to tell lies. But there is a nuance...

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K>>> While all civilized world is transplanted on the electrician, we refuse it. Now we dig the factories and we dismiss the people, and in 5 years the same  we will buy from Chineses for expensive because suddenly we decide that ecology - our all. Ops>> here it is not necessary stamps about the civilized world TM, descend in , there pluses and minuses of electric trains already many times assorted, objectively enough, and now the subject is. BFE> nevertheless in France, for example, actively build tram lines. So, over the last 10 years trams started up in Nice and in Grenoble though before many their years were not. (In the beginning of the twentieth century of tram ways to France was much, but after fortieth them removed almost completely from many cities). Why I do not know trams, instead of trolley buses, but I assume that business in capacity. Tram development now a popular world trend. In South Korea build at once some tram networks, in a number of the European cities return earlier removed tram, etc. And here the trolley bus - by and large exists in  and the countries were . Advantage of a tram - it moves on selected "band", more often.

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Hello, karbofos42, you wrote: K> in general, this type of transport it is possible  and to develop, instead of to refuse it. It is possible, but to develop two more difficult and more expensively, than one... K> In Moscow almost never by ground transport went because of corks. Easier and more conveniently by the underground to reach, and then on foot within 3 km to walk. Such district of Moscow how Zelenograd, you know?. K> I will check more likely that Liksutov wants, that the servants stood in corks in FROM, and elite easy went by personal cars. Trust... Generally it about once a month gives the big interview in a morning ether of station "Moscow Speaks". You can listen. It it is detailed all ideas explains... K>>> While all civilized world is transplanted on the electrician, we refuse it. E>> All . The world lives CONSIDERABLY to the south. K> If the problem only and miscalculates heating then all is solved. At desire it is possible and to thrust separately a petrol oven if so on money it will be more favourable. And in a freezing, in an icing of wires, in cleaning of roadsides and it is a lot of in what still... K> In public transport eternally froze. In the street 20 minutes stand wait freeze, then while go from a stop to a stop of 5 minutes, the salon is not heated at all. It where such ? E>> And, by the way, vendors t at could think for a long time both of comfort and about . K> I Think that Moscow - an essential customer  and if she refuses them many people remains without operation. Moscow - less than 10 % of the population, thus in Moscow tr-with few... K> With  stirred up something, with comfort too most likely there are variants, but cities buy as a result that easier and more cheaply. In Moscow buses now new and comfortable...

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Hello, Erop, you wrote: E> I am finite not , but strongly I suspect that E> 1) the Budget is restricted E> 2) the High system especially E> 3) to Heat salon an electricity expensively E> 4) Principal air pollution from personal machines and corks. So is critical to refine quality and  ability FROM what to reduce number of machines. And trolley buses it will be or buses not so it is important. E> 5) I quite admit that if to CONSIDER, with the registration of limitation of the budget and a high system that from changeover of trolley buses by GOOD buses it appears that it is correct and with . . Ecology too... From the point of view of ecology the diesel bus is the full tin, it is necessary to translate to gas then will be even more less normal. A tram and a trolley bus differently  any bus. When you go along a tram line separated from a highway it at once it is felt, as air is not polluted. And here the trolley bus though is harmless, but goes on highways that does not allow to experience its ecological superiority. If the trolleybus line is already installed to assort and change it for buses absolutely incorrectly. Too most concerns also tram lines. As to power efficiency, that is still such piece as recuperative braking which can use only having the new technics. But if speech about Moscow in which there is an underground I can tell so. If remove trolleybus and tram lines and start to replace with their buses, this explicit impairment of a city infrastructure. Here if changeover was not required, as the volume of passenger traffic decreased or the alternative, like the underground and electric trains, then another matter was used. And about a lack of the budget of Moscow this explicit exaggeration, in Russia is most  a city. If the budget of Moscow is restricted also it insufficiently other cities with the budget can close at once all transport infrastructure for against Moscow of the budget at them practically and is not present.

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Hello, velkin, you wrote: V> From the point of view of ecology the diesel bus is the full tin, it is necessary to translate to gas then will be even more less normal. The modern bus  and not a tin. And gas is explosive. Well and anyway, the main contribution to air pollution cars, instead of buses give. The more people changes from cars buses, the air becomes purer... V> If the trolleybus line is already installed to assort and change it for buses absolutely incorrectly. Too most concerns also tram lines. As to power efficiency, that is still such piece as recuperative braking which can use only having the new technics. It it is necessary to find and buy somewhere new such technics, import, probably, to rebuild under it parks, an infrastructure and etc. Nafiga it is all to do? At all the fact that it is favourable. V> and about a lack of the budget of Moscow this explicit exaggeration, in Russia is most  a city. If the budget of Moscow is restricted also it insufficiently other cities with the budget can close at once all transport infrastructure for against Moscow of the budget at them practically and is not present. Even in recalculation on the inhabitant?

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Hello, Erop, you wrote: V>> And about a lack of the budget of Moscow this explicit exaggeration, in Russia is most  a city. If the budget of Moscow is restricted also it insufficiently other cities with the budget can close at once all transport infrastructure for against Moscow of the budget at them practically and is not present. E> Even in recalculation on the inhabitant?

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Hello, velkin, you wrote: V>>> And about a lack of the budget of Moscow this explicit exaggeration, in Russia is most  a city. If the budget of Moscow is restricted also it insufficiently other cities with the budget can close at once all transport infrastructure for against Moscow of the budget at them practically and is not present. E>> Even in recalculation on the inhabitant? V> Image: img_DdigIv.jpg it that for ? In the letter domain "" suggest an idea that this professional manual on  to hatred to local authorities. Or to "Muscovites"? Or, judging by comparing with berlins-nujorkami, on  hatred at once to this country (to letters of the domain corresponds more)?

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Hello, Erop, you wrote: EK>> [/q] E> I here will not understand, that all so  trolley buses? In due time at a preved-bear of all  militia as the managing subject of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Now  . Soon  Okudzhava, Arbat  a little earlier "all leaks, all changes" () PlutarhoPlaton (not system of collection of taxes from waggons of distant aircraft) E> Here personally me much more  a canceling of some minibuses, for example. It agree.   - the order , tents  on deer it is necessary to it, as here marked High E> And changeover of trolls by buses, IMHO, transits it is made seamlessly.  quite to itself "" hinder any corporate plankton to dissect on them  and FSB-eshnikam on gelent-cars on Moscow State University lawns

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Hello, Erop, you wrote: E> I here will not understand, that all so  trolley buses? E> here personally the canceling of some minibuses, for example is much more of me . And changeover of trolls by buses, IMHO, transits is made seamlessly. In what the reason of all these jumps and grimaces?  "seamlessly" - does not transit. Because trolley buses walk on the routes (distinct from bus, though also coinciding partially). The replaced trolleybus routes cause sharp invincible desire  "in the core a conterminous part". And as a result change (and time and again) customary routes and "trolley buses" and buses. So in flow of year nobody will know a minimum as today to reach from a point and in a point. And process "under requests of townspeople" will be optimized by places of year three.

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Hello, Stanislaw K, you wrote: SK>. As a result change (and time and again) customary routes and "trolley buses" and buses. So in flow of year nobody will know a minimum as today to reach from a point and in a point. Yes all to spit... On new minibuses at all do not write where they go

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Hello, TMU_1, you wrote: TMU> And here the trolley bus - by and large exists in  and the countries were . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolleybu … _Francisco

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Hello,    ija - , you wrote: SK>>. As a result change (and time and again) customary routes and "trolley buses" and buses. So in flow of year nobody will know a minimum as today to reach from a point and in a point. > yes all to spit... On new minibuses at all do not write where they go Just in case: 01 02 03 04 is not minibuses.

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Hello, Erop, you wrote: E> I here will not understand, that all so  trolley buses? I do not know for Moscow, but in Saratov from buses to saw the budget easier.