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Topic: Happy people

For those to whom it is interesting as there live people far from a civilization,  Dmitry Vasjukov 1st film Happy people - Yenisei: 1st series from 4, further under links ps: itself watched a film about 6 years ago, made the strong impression, recently recalled it and learned that the film about life  is shot and there is a shooting about life on Altai pps: yes, and a qualitative soundtrack, I do not know what it makes impression without film review, but with a video series strengthens impression of review

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Hello, pilgrim _, you wrote: _> 1st film Happy people - Yenisei: they Are happy only by a principle - well there where we are not present. That is at them other problems, completely not such as at you. And as their problems are not familiar to you, it seems that they live without any problems. Actually, even looking at their persons, it is possible to tell with confidence that they are unfortunate and could not implement itself.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> Hello, pilgrim _, you wrote: _>> 1st film Happy people - Yenisei: S> they Are happy only by a principle - well there where we are not present you. It is clear S> That is at them other problems, completely not such as at you. And as their problems are not familiar to you, it seems that they live without any problems. Problems at them suffices, more than at the city dweller. Yours it "seems" bad shot from what you outputs such do that? S> Actually, even looking at their persons, it is possible to tell with confidence that they are unfortunate and could not implement itself. "Actually" a horse-radish of anything it is impossible to tell on their persons, they are happy or not. ps: you that looked at a film, at least 1st series?

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Hello, pilgrim _, you wrote: _> "Actually" a horse-radish of anything it is impossible to tell on their persons, they are happy or not. It is possible for me. _> ps: you that looked at a film, at least 1st series? Started to look but it was not pleasant. Still for a long time. Well there the interesting? Here here here there comes technical singularity, make AI, the integrated circuit, numeral immortality. And those a bast shoe sup till now a Russian cabbage soup.

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Hello, pilgrim _, you wrote: _> For those to whom it is interesting as there live people far from a civilization People here hope only for itself and ask too only from itself. It is a hint on that, as all remaining should arrive as? Instead of to demand anything from the power?

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Hello, qwertyuiop, you wrote: Q> It is a hint on that, as all remaining should arrive as? Instead of to demand anything from the power? It is the story about local life. You cover m a power name on lips and wake up with the same?... <<RSDN@Home 1.2.0 alpha 5 rev. 1495>>

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> Here here here there comes technical singularity, make AI, the integrated circuit, numeral immortality. And those a bast shoe sup till now a Russian cabbage soup. Here therefore that they and happy people. You think, technological singularity is any blessing? Yes it is the real hell will be - total absence of individuality, a lift-off by nature, and after all the mentality remained same as well as was thousand years ago.

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Ancient bayan.

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Hello, vl690001x, you wrote: V> You think, technological singularity is any blessing? Yes it is the real hell will be - total absence of individuality, a lift-off by nature, and after all the mentality remained same as well as was thousand years ago. As you do not understand - aspiration to knowledge of and a pattern - the higher desire of the person. Well, there is nothing while to guzzle or while you are sick - you do not think of it. And it does not disturb you,  that give you of a grub/heat/sex - and here it happiness. When the meal question is not necessary, be not ill, in a log hut warmly - that horror as becomes boring and it is melancholy that you as the fool sit here and know nothing, in what great cannot take part. Also it becomes very very melancholy and sad. And like the house there is light burns, and like to live not to grieve - but melancholy-grief. Also you start to realize that does not suffice - great discoveries and great causes which are achievable only at join of efforts of set of people!

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Hello, pilgrim _, you wrote: Happiness - internal state of the person who is not in an extreme measure. An extreme measure generally . That is why it is incompatible with happiness. It is impossible to be happy if you in extreme poverty and do not know, than tomorrow the child you will feed. But also at the infinite riches it is impossible to be happy (look at Abramovich's eyes). In an extreme level of illness it is impossible to be happy. But also at holding apart health too the happiness will not be - requests of a body gushing forth by health will hinder to be happy. We -  in all - only we can be happy. And it does not depend at all on, where you .

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Hello, qwertyuiop, you wrote: Q> It is a hint on that, as all remaining should arrive as? Instead of to demand anything from the power? Who about what, and lousy about a bath qwertyuiop about the power...

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Hello, vl690001x, you wrote: S>> Here here here there comes technical singularity, make AI, the integrated circuit, numeral immortality. And those a bast shoe sup till now a Russian cabbage soup. V> here therefore that they and happy people. V> you think, technological singularity is any blessing? Yes it is the real hell will be - total absence of individuality, a lift-off by nature, and after all the mentality remained same as well as was thousand years ago. Who hinders you technologically  in the nature? One does not eliminate another. Or it is necessary to overcome? Live in the country, breathe fresh air, drink fresh milk, eat fresh  and simplify to itself life the modern achievements.

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Hello, vsb, you wrote: vsb>  Not  and eggs! vsb> who hinders you technologically  in the nature? In the theory nobody hinders, but in practice of such people or not or it is not enough. Here if shot a film about those who lives in harmony with the nature and thus is engaged in useful to mankind activity, instead of spends all time for the stomach is would be abruptly. Would look.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> Here if shot a film about those who lives in harmony with the nature and thus is engaged in useful to mankind activity, instead of spends all time for the stomach is would be abruptly. Would look. About useful to mankind activity pleased. It is not assured that each of the Nobel winners noticeably is useful to mankind. And why city  Vasja or capable programmer Fedja is more useful to mankind of these people absolutely not clearly.... <<RSDN@Home 1.2.0 alpha 5 rev. 1495>>

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: P> About useful to mankind activity pleased. It is not assured that each of the Nobel winners noticeably is useful to mankind. Well means it is useful? There is the higher aspiration of the person to knowledge. Some name its curiosity. Here we know about stars, about the Universe, about a dark matter. And present would sit in the cave and thought only of a grub. What means is useful on yours? P> and why city  Vasja or capable programmer Fedja is more useful to mankind of these people absolutely not clearly.  the yet not generated person - by youth tries to understand itself. And Fedja simply helps cleverer fellow tribesmen to be engaged in the useful things, liberating time for them. The Same occupies also cleaners, for example.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> Well means it is useful? S> that means is useful on yours? So, I simply reduced yours "is engaged in useful to mankind activity" to "is useful", and on this base  questions  as it is primary and it was supposed. S> Hipster the yet not generated person - by youth tries to understand itself. Did not meet such determination. S> and Fedja simply helps cleverer fellow tribesmen to be engaged in the useful things, liberating time for them. The Same occupies also cleaners, for example. You confuse "participates in division of labor" with is useful for chelovechestva/is engaged in useful to mankind activity. At mankind not the purposes that in  work as much as possible people participated, and the groups of people isolated in this respect are so useful to mankind (and are useless) as well as living in the center of a human ant hill. And mankind it not so this ant hill... . <<RSDN@Home 1.2.0 alpha 5 rev. 1495>>

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: P> So, I simply reduced yours "is engaged in useful to mankind activity" to "is useful", and on this base  questions  as it is primary and it was supposed. It is useful is means who helps to understand we as we appeared and to learn that is . Whether you cannot tell at all there is a purpose, whether there is for the sake of what there is a mankind. You do not know it. Can eat and can and is not present. Do not check up - do not learn. Here if you check - that are already useful. P> you confuse "participates in division of labor" with is useful for chelovechestva/is engaged in useful to mankind activity. At mankind not the purposes that in  work as much as possible people participated Is. As the more participate - the more strongly system, the it is more than possibilities. Besides - it is not known what new people are born clever and what are not present - in an ideal there should be possibilities for all. P>, and the groups of people isolated in this respect are so useful to mankind (and are useless) as well as living in the center of a human ant hill. And mankind it not so this ant hill. Did not understand thought.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> Actually, even looking at their persons, it is possible to tell with confidence that they are unfortunate and could not implement itself. And on what was specific minute such person should look?

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> Here here here there comes technical singularity, make AI, the integrated circuit, numeral immortality. And those a bast shoe sup till now a Russian cabbage soup. And those live how they got used... Also it is yet known, who is happier, by the way.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> As you do not understand - aspiration to knowledge of and a pattern - the higher desire of the person. It very much a complicated question who learns itself and the world, heroes of this cinema, or slaves  And adherents of turn of the rivers on the south is better...

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Hello, Erop, you wrote: E> Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S>> As you do not understand - aspiration to knowledge of and a pattern - the higher desire of the person. E> it very much a complicated question who learns itself and the world, heroes of this cinema, or slaves  And adherents of turn of the rivers on the south is better... I about it have such thought is: civilization level is defined by the relation of personal development (either happiness, or an amount of positive emotions) to the spent resources. I.e. happy  is more civilized than the physicist-jadershchik if they are equally happy.

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Hello, SergeyOsipov, you wrote: SO> Hello, pilgrim _, you wrote: SO> Happiness - internal state of the person who is not in an extreme measure. SO> an extreme measure generally . That is why it is incompatible with happiness. So it is an extreme measure only on your subjective appraisal SO> It is impossible to be happy if you in extreme poverty and do not know, than tomorrow the child you will feed. They in tomorrow are confident much more, than 90 % of the population of the earth: act of terrorism does not happen, an electricity do not disconnect, from operation do not expel etc. Their life on 99 % depends on them, instead of from randomnesses or desires of politicians. SO> we -  in all - only we can be happy. The majority of people considers itself "", though on set of parameters they at all "".

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Hello, pilgrim _, you wrote: _> Happy people Imho, the sensation of happiness does not depend at all on where you are or engaged. The sensation of happiness arises at the moment of growth something, for example, the material prosperity or achievement in sport. I remember, how in youth bought the first Zhiguli, and on happiness level was as though bought . I.e. I had a growth - I was happy during that moment. Transited time, and a Zhiguli became the ordinary, and the sensation of happiness disappeared. Solved difficult  the task, the first sale of mine wide trousers when bought apartment when on mail the letter from the happy user of my program for the first time came - during these moments (growth) I was happy. And imho it is more difficult to very rich people to be happy as the finance allows almost everything, and sooner or later growth stops, after all it is very difficult to surprise the person at whom all is.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> they Are happy only by a principle - well there where we are not present. That is at them other problems, completely not such as at you. And as their problems are not familiar to you, it seems that they live without any problems. Here and so there come people from all remaining Russia to us to Moscow and Moscow Region to live, think that at us here by honey is salved. And after all it yes-and-and-aleko not so.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> Here if shot a film about those who lives in harmony with the nature and thus is engaged in useful to mankind activity, instead of spends all time for the stomach is would be abruptly. Would look. And to live on the nature or near to the nature and "to spend all time for the stomach" it it is bad?