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Topic: Dark energy, dark matter and so forth

Here say the Universe extends with acceleration. Why? Therefore galaxies scatter. And for an explanation of this business it was required to enter a dark matter. And that if they do not scatter, and this effect from  spaces caused by a black hole  the sizes. I.e. it we in it fall, besides here to you and loss of 50 more % of substance in the Universe, it not a dark matter, and all this matter in a black hole. Whether there are supporters at a similar view or it is easily refuted?

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Re: Dark energy, dark matter and so forth

Hello, Gattaka, you wrote: G> Why? The Universe is infinite, time rather, good night.

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Hello, trop, you wrote: T> the Universe is infinite, time rather, good night. In essence is what to tell?

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Hello, Gattaka, you wrote: G> Here say the Universe extends with acceleration. Why? Dark this business

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Whether G> There are supporters at a similar view or it is easily refuted? Is. The great attractor is called, and we there truth fall. Only from all of us are deleted extensively so without dark energy in any way, even knowing about the attractor. And a dark matter absolutely about another.

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Physical theories, as a rule, are confirmed by the calculations confirming observations. In your case, seemingly, it is pure imagination. Well or try to calculate position of this black hole, its mass etc.

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Hello, vsb, you wrote: vsb> Physical theories, as a rule, are confirmed by the calculations confirming observations. In your case, seemingly, it is pure imagination. Well or try to calculate position of this black hole, its mass etc. All it is excellent, only where you saw a word the theory?

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Hello, hi_octane, you wrote: whether G>> There are supporters at a similar view or it is easily refuted? _> is. The great attractor is called, and we there truth fall. Only from all of us are deleted extensively so without dark energy in any way, even knowing about the attractor. And a dark matter absolutely about another. To be stunned!

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Hello, Gattaka, you wrote: G> Here say the Universe extends with acceleration. Why? Therefore galaxies scatter. And for an explanation of this business it was required to enter a dark matter. And that if they do not scatter, and this effect from  spaces caused by a black hole  the sizes. I.e. it we in it fall, besides here to you and loss of 50 more % of substance in the Universe, it not a dark matter, and all this matter in a black hole. Whether G> there are supporters at a similar view or it is easily refuted? Then such body would be simple for noting not probably in a firmament, after all the hole of such scales would suck in the whole galaxies, and they would radiate in a X-ray range, i.e. in the sky there would be a stain of radiation of the hugest sizes. Besides would generate a galaxy with the sizes of billion galaxies which too should be noted. Well etc.

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Hello, Gattaka, you wrote: G> Here say the Universe extends with acceleration. Why? Therefore galaxies scatter. And for an explanation of this business it was required to enter a dark matter. You confused all, the dark matter gravitates and hinders with a dispersion.  all because of dark energy. G> and that if they do not scatter, and this effect from  spaces caused by a black hole  the sizes. I.e. it we in it fall, besides here to you and loss of 50 more % of substance in the Universe, it not a dark matter, and all this matter in a black hole. Whether G> there are supporters at a similar view or it is easily refuted? At first, though it is sensitive with the modern theories familiarize, well that a dark matter to energy not to confuse. And there the theory advance, only before to publish it, construct model, carry out calculations that all converged watched with your theory. Also it is extremely desirable that it could to do predictions.

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Hello, Gattaka, you wrote: whether G> There are supporters at a similar view or it is easily refuted? It is easily refuted.

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Hello, Gattaka, you wrote: whether G> There are supporters at a similar view or it is easily refuted? an as you think? Not, well here it is serious: the physics was a science number one in 20 a century, on it there were huge both financial, and intellectual resources. The modern model is created by work of the greatest scientists and proves to be true a large quantity of observations. And here that you seriously think that with a swoop, plainly without knowing physics (and it is good to know it rather  at least owing to extremely difficult mathematics) can refute and offer type all certain unknown  about which guessed nobody?? From domination of laymans it is more than to physics perhaps only biology (the evolution theory) gets.

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Hello, DreamMaker, you wrote: DM> from domination of laymans it is more than to physics perhaps only biology (the evolution theory) gets. For medicine forgot... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0 on Windows 8 6.2.9200.0>>

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Hello, Irrbis, you wrote: I> it is easily refuted. Well... Give!

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Hello, Gattaka, you wrote: I>> it is easily refuted. G> well... Give! To you already in comments answered.

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Re: Dark energy, dark matter and so forth

Hello, Gattaka, you wrote: G> Here say the Universe extends with acceleration. Why? Therefore galaxies scatter. And for an explanation of this business it was required to enter a dark matter. And that if they do not scatter, and this effect from  spaces caused by a black hole  the sizes. I.e. it we in it fall, besides here to you and loss of 50 more % of substance in the Universe, it not a dark matter, and all this matter in a black hole. Whether G> there are supporters at a similar view or it is easily refuted? Recently in news jumped that on the last measurements the Universe does not extend with acceleration and dark energy, thus, only an invention. The original did not find, but which that .

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Hello, DreamMaker, you wrote: DM> not, well here it is serious: the physics was a science number one in 20 a century, on it there were huge both financial, and intellectual resources. DM> the modern model is created by work of the greatest scientists and proves to be true a large quantity of observations. DM> and here that you seriously think that with a swoop, plainly without knowing physics (and it is good to know it rather  at least owing to extremely difficult mathematics) can refute and offer type all certain unknown  about which guessed nobody?? And you know who invented by means of a magnetic field to retain plasma in ? The worker wrote the letter, after Sugars him invited to work in institute, but it more especial was not marked by anything. So it is not necessary to disdain to advance the assumptions and simply to try to think.

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Hello, Maniacal, you wrote: M> Recently in news jumped that on the last measurements the Universe does not extend with acceleration and dark energy, thus, only an invention. Be not conducted on . At first, that it extended without acceleration, dark energy (differently it will extend with deceleration, and about it speeches do not go) is still necessary. Secondly, the new data does not contradict old and allows interpretation "there is no acceleration" only for a hypothetical variant when the matter in the Universe has not enough. And taking into account presence of a matter and the space plane, given are inscribed in an old pattern of the extension with acceleration and dark energy. Here is more detailed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UNLgPIiWAg

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Hello, D. Mon, you wrote: DM> a hypothetical variant when the matter in the Universe has not enough. And taking into account presence of a matter and the space plane, given are inscribed in an old pattern of the extension with acceleration and dark energy. Here is more detailed: In a fantastic way invented! More shortly, in the Universe two pacing factors of influence - dark energy and a dark matter. All matters "known" to us and energies of a role big do not play, and about "dark" anybody of anything cannot tell besides that if these  to substitute in formulas they coincide with the observable data is better. I am a pity to such technics during the stay of student's  did not guess. The formula not  with ? We substitute "black" energy and converges bang!!

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Hello, Fantasist, you wrote: F> I Am a pity to such technics during the stay of student's  did not guess. The formula not  with ? We substitute "black" energy and converges bang!! It is all from a hopelessness actually.  any more do not give plainly , the same quarks deduced purely . Now for queue  space in which as it appears all of us  we live. If to judge under formulas. Probably...

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F>> I Am a pity to such technics during the stay of student's  did not guess. The formula not  with ? We substitute "black" energy and converges bang!! G> it is all from a hopelessness actually.  any more do not give plainly , the same quarks deduced purely . Now for queue  space in which as it appears all of us  we live. If to judge under formulas. Probably... In the F-theory 12-dimensional. Generally  if it and truth 11 +-dimensional - it is quite logical to assume that it infinitely measured, simply remaining measurements even more hardly . Then also uncertainty quantum it undertakes quite clear whence - to wait silly for definiteness from infinity.

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It is possible to guess long. I remember, how studying on  the Moscow State University specially studied all course of theories which on an output state the accelerated extension of the Universe, presence of dark energies and matters, a row of other things. As a result now I do not trust generally to the modern cosmology. It is a lot of assumptions at each stage, it is a lot of assumptions (Russell's teapot is entered at each opportunity), autumn a lot of courageous extrapolation of local theories on universal scale. Can ask any who seriously is engaged in cosmology "the modern representation is the fact, or all the same assumptions?" . And he answers that it "assumptions, but the best that now is". Also it is necessary not to forget that in cosmology now there are no typical scenarios of check of theories. The typical circuit is when the consequence is deduced from the theory, it is checked and proves to be true. Thus, for example, confirmed FROM in scales of star systems. And further already converges nothing. Therefore adjust the theory that it coincided with observations. Look more deeply/further - again do not coincide. It is necessary to adjust again the theory, to enter Russell's teapots that all converged. Usefulness of such theories - 0. They do not give the new information. The favor would be, if from the new theory there would be consequences which could be used. Alas - it is not present. It is all it doesn't matter. Now the cosmology goes by the way of information accumulation (experiments, their results). When the critical amount of crude results the new theory not containing teapots of Russell and giving answers to questions which we cannot watch yet will be possibly born collects.