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Hello, Irrbis, you wrote: vsb>> to Take second-hand the cheap machine it is simply bad variant. Will break permanently, you will put often, sometimes it is a lot of (though here not so much money will be a pity, what is the time). I> , it __ to be a good variant for not skilled driver. The machine which it is absolutely not a pity. At it money is not present, so it will be a pity. I> will break often, but to repair a Zhiguli on HUNDRED not especially expensively. If the plan - to be repaired on HUNDRED  quickly enough expenditures finish the price of possession to the price of more decent bucket which it would be necessary to take. And for that small money it is necessary to buy at once the book about the car, some spare nodes (a Zhiguli? The thermostat, a gasoline pump, belts of the generator and ), the tool for their changeover, a rope and  wires.

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Hello, aik, you wrote: I>> , it __ to be a good variant for not skilled driver. The machine which it is absolutely not a pity. aik> At it money is not present, so it will be a pity. It will not be a pity to break, rumple or scratch. One business - the machine for 50 , and another matter - for 500 . I>> will Break often, but to repair a Zhiguli on HUNDRED not especially expensively. aik> if the plan - to be repaired on HUNDRED  quickly enough expenditures finish the price of possession to the price of more decent bucket which it would be necessary to take. The decent bucket which does not break, costs almost much more expensive.

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Hello, IID, you wrote: IID> I for Volga. It is the underestimated machine of absolutely other level rather than a Zhiguli, both on comfort, and on safety. When for me I go  I start to brake  beforehand and several times therefore as drivers  need to be notified not when it is already necessary to brake, and in advance. The car generally without brakes what here can be safety. I these  only also see in asses of other machines, such sensation what simply to go as all cars they cannot, and move from an ass to an ass. And owners at all do not repair them, since understand that repair not on long.

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Hello, Denwer, you wrote: D> When for me I go  I start to brake  beforehand and several times therefore as drivers  need to be notified not when it is already necessary to brake, and in advance. The car generally without brakes what here can be safety. I these  only also see in asses of other machines, such sensation what simply to go as all cars they cannot, and move from an ass to an ass. And owners at all do not repair them, since understand that repair not on long. A bosh and hysteria dial-up. And Gazelles you do not see in other asses? And that after all the same Volga, only still 1.5 on top is loaded also the driver  on bald rubber. Moreover gazelles 10 times those Volg.

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Hello, __ kot2, you wrote: __> think, never spend 300 for support of the machine which bought for 60? I can tell to you as it  happens. Here only these expenditure will be expanded on  years. If you not the restorer also do not set as an object to recover in an ideal expenditure are not especially great. On the most part of malfunctions it is possible to hammer, remaining to repair with small losses.

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Hello, LuciferSaratov, you wrote: S>> Can and so, only the freshest chisels will be 2003, and the seven - 2014. LS> 2114 up to the end of 2013 let out. Well , like it is accepted a chisel only 2108 and 2109 to name. At remaining this "chisel" not so is brightly expressed

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Hello, Serpuh, you wrote: S> a bosh and hysteria Dial-up. And Gazelles you do not see in other asses? And that after all the same Volga, only still 1.5 on top is loaded also the driver  on bald rubber. Moreover gazelles 10 times those Volg. Here bosh it just that a gazelle =  + 1.5. And bosh that utter.

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Hello, Denwer, you wrote: D> Here bosh it just that a gazelle =  + 1.5. And bosh that utter. The second time be not dishonored, on the main aggregates almost differs nothing. The gazelle grew from Volga. So it is urgent in the fears of the Gazelle include.

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Hello, Serpuh, you wrote: S> Hello, Denwer, you wrote: D>> Here bosh it just that a gazelle =  + 1.5. And bosh that utter. S> the second time be not dishonored, on the main aggregates almost differs nothing. The gazelle grew from Volga. So it is urgent in the fears of the Gazelle include. You though saw a brake disk  and gazelles? Well here take and put to each other.

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Hello, Denwer, you wrote: D> You though saw a brake disk  and gazelles? Well here take and put to each other. In the first you this disk precisely did not see, as well as Volgovsky. Well hardly it is more, and in any way does not pull on your term "bosh utter". And gazelles never brakes differed, especially with  drivers, rubber and an overload. However  further, even it is interesting. I suggest to use still terms "on orders", "much", "without  at once in a ditch".

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Hello, Serpuh, you wrote: S> Hello, Denwer, you wrote: D>> You though saw a brake disk  and gazelles? Well here take and put to each other. S> in the first you this disk precisely did not see, as well as Volgovsky. Well hardly it is more, and in any way does not pull on your term "bosh utter". And gazelles never brakes differed, especially with  drivers, rubber and an overload. However  further, even it is interesting. I suggest to use still terms "on orders", "much", "without  at once in a ditch". Well here, went now  after gave an example. I suggest to use still the term one-in-one, identical. Well and that, took , welded a frame and received the GAZELLE. And then welded on metal upon a frame and received the LAWN. And if still hardly hardly , Ural Mountains turn out. Really bosh utter.

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Hello, Denwer, you wrote: D> Well here, went now  after gave an example. I suggest to use still the term one-in-one, identical. Well and that, took , welded a frame and received the GAZELLE. I.e. on perturbed tone I understand that the Gazelle brakes on "orders" better Volga?

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Hello, Serpuh, you wrote: S> Hello, Denwer, you wrote: D>> Well here, went now  after gave an example. I suggest to use still the term one-in-one, identical. Well and that, took , welded a frame and received the GAZELLE. S> I.e. on perturbed tone I understand that the Gazelle brakes on "orders" better Volga? I where told that about orders? Well here a difference between 10 and  in braking on orders?

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Hello, Denwer, you wrote: D> I where told that about orders? On "orders" I specially in inverted commas took. However the hysterical message about Volga, more pertinent on any ledi.ru, you can read once again http://rsdn.org/forum/auto/6643482.1 the Author: Denwer Date: 19.12 10:35 D> Well here a difference between 10 and  in braking on orders? At you Priora ? Too to me found a sample, look there to Volga do not drive.

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Hello, Serpuh, you wrote: D>> Well here a difference between 10 and  in braking on orders? S> at you Priora ? Too to me found a sample, look there to Volga do not drive. Logic  it is simple, and why at me not a gazelle then? Here already really on . it is necessary to descend.

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Hello, Denwer, you wrote: D> You though saw a brake disk  and gazelles? Well here take and put to each other. An educational program: brake disks are put on naves, and depend from PCD disks wheel. You will not state, what the gazelle brakes because of an additional wheel pin is better? Therefore give ive we look at a brake support at Support -3302 right (-3110 left) in collection (Open Society GAS) 33023501136 - to Leave a response It is applied: GAS: -3110, -3302 (GAZELLE), -2705 (GAZELLE); : -10 "Don-1500B" - to show all the Article: 3302-3501136

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Hello, Denwer, you wrote: D> Hello, IID, you wrote: IID>> I for Volga. It is the underestimated machine of absolutely other level rather than a Zhiguli, both on comfort, and on safety. D> when for me I go  I start to brake  beforehand and several times therefore as drivers  need to be notified not when it is already necessary to brake, and in advance. The car generally without brakes what here can be safety. I these  only also see in asses of other machines, such sensation what simply to go as all cars they cannot, and move from an ass to an ass. And owners at all do not repair them, since understand that repair not on long. At Volg 31029 and earlier all brakes drum-type. If to consider purchase of Volga it is necessary to look 3110 or 31105 - there front brakes disk and it brakes well. Still these models have a hydraulic booster, but - at let out till 2000 a suspension bracket  that adds complexities in service. Sore points: thresholds if 402nd engine without the electrofan it is heated in a heat.

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Hello, Denwer, you wrote: D> Well and that, took , welded a frame and received the GAZELLE. The back bridge of type "" - identical. I will not be surprised if and from heavier gazelles the bridge "" with a removable reducer can be thrust in . Existing principal steams approach in all 3 types of bridges (including ancient demountable type "".) The engine - identical (402 earlier, 405/406 later. And even -421 it is not beaten out from a general series if to recall about  from it 402/414/417/410/421 and modern 409) a check point - identical, . A difference only in transmitting numbers. Brake a support - identical. The vacuum amplifier - identical, still with 24 . A back suspension bracket - both there and there spring. A lobby - on  springs, on a gazelle happen also springs and springs. The attached sizes of flanges Cardano generally standard, on Oise just the same (at -53, Shishigi and an armored troop-carrier-70 flanges too identical). A gazelle - younger sister , and  its native brother whom the stepmother adopted.

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Hello, pestis, you wrote: P> Here only these expenditure will be expanded on  years. If you not the restorer also do not set as an object to recover in an ideal expenditure are not especially great. On the most part of malfunctions it is possible to hammer, remaining to repair with small losses. The greatest  a problem what in that case the owner will be constant "on change" - "and what breaks next time? Whether" and "I will reach today before operation, or again the chyo-thread falls off".

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Hello, IID, you wrote: IID> Hello, Denwer, you wrote: D>> Well and that, took , welded a frame and received the GAZELLE. IID> the back bridge of type "" - identical. I will not be surprised if and from heavier gazelles the bridge "" with a removable reducer can be thrust in . Existing principal steams approach in all 3 types of bridges (including ancient demountable type "".) The back bridge at them different,  collapses on  in a month, at them even gear wheels different. But like on  the last year release from for unifications would put , but not on the contrary. IID> a check point - identical, . A difference only in transmitting numbers. Interchangeable does not mean that they identical from factory. At gazelles of a box differ even among themselves, differ inside. Especially when began to put a diesel engine. IID> brake a support - identical. Here I do not remember, but it is a little trusted, after all radiuses of brake disks the different. IID> the vacuum amplifier - identical, still with 24 . Not absolutely, at gazelles they different. There is a modification even with  . IID> the Back suspension bracket - both there and there spring. Well so that yes, and a drive there and there the back. IID> a gazelle - younger sister , and  its native brother whom the stepmother adopted. As I already told, such machines full. For example 2101 and 2107, 2110 and Priora. All the sister and to undertake, but to a wheel you sit down also a difference enormous, and at identical weight.

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Hello, koandrew, you wrote: K> the Greatest  a problem what in that case the owner will be constant "on change" - "and what breaks next time? Whether" and "I will reach today before operation, or again the chyo-thread falls off". Speech, like, not about the modern Mercedes stuffed with electronics. The list of critical places is enough for old machines the small. Time to check up/replace and forget. Seats, of course, still will be , but before operation the machine without problems reaches.

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Hello, swined, you wrote: S> speech, like, not about the modern Mercedes stuffed with electronics. The list of critical places is enough for old machines the small. Time to check up/replace and forget. Seats, of course, still will be , but before operation the machine without problems reaches. You to me can not tell - at me at the father at various times were old a lock (still ""), copeck and "eleventh" so I as though in course that means to contain old machines...

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Hello, koandrew, you wrote: K> You to me can not tell - at me at the father at various times were old a lock (still ""), copeck and "eleventh" so I as though in course that means to contain old machines... Probably, it is specificity of the Soviet machines. At me the same foot very old machine, but "not to reach before operation" I am not afraid.

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Hello, Denwer, you wrote: IID> the Back bridge of type "" - identical. I will not be surprised if and from heavier gazelles the bridge "" with a removable reducer can be thrust in . Existing principal steams approach in all 3 types of bridges (including ancient demountable type "".) D> the Back bridge at them different,  collapses on  in a month, at them even gear wheels different. But like on  the last year release from for unifications would put , but not on the contrary. Gear wheels absolutely identical. Even  , with  3.58 approach on all types of bridges. I to you will tell - casing of differential at Volga in the sizes 1-v-1 as on civil and "" bridges Oise more. Here  on semiaxes - others. And semiaxes loaded, unlike Oise, at last a construction as by trucks. Because of the broken semiaxis the wheel does not depart, as on the Field any. +UPD: at  the bridge safety factor enormous. Knowingly among  is quoted  on  the bridge cone. (Except military bridges for  quits tractor, faster 60km-ch you will not go) Because  semiaxes more strongly, because of   - exterior diameter coincides with  (32), and internal to thickness (30 against 27). Because  the pair is much stronger than the conical: in a linkage not one tooth and a little, and that that   hardly falls more low - we worry. And the sizes of teeth not in favor of  principal pairs. And  semiaxes and principal steams, by the way, cope with rotation 37 slippers in a dirt, what not everyone  masters. IID>> a check point - identical, . A difference only in transmitting numbers. D> interchangeable does not mean that they identical from factory. At gazelles of a box differ even among themselves, differ inside. Especially when began to put a diesel engine. Re-read a phrase which you answer. IID>> brake a support - identical. D> here I do not remember, but it is a little trusted, after all radiuses of brake disks the different. You do not remember, and I 3 years with these supports . On Oise. Then decided to throw out VAZOVSKY a support from the back bridge (sour) and to deliver  round. Which proved to be excellently. And being afraid  on the front bridge made . The faceplates, allowing to deliver at once 2 supports on a wheel. Yet did not test. IID>> the vacuum amplifier - identical, still with 24 . D> Not absolutely, at gazelles they different. There is a modification even with  . Is even with . But is and with .

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Hello, IID, you wrote: IID> Hello, Denwer, you wrote: IID>> the Back bridge of type "" - identical. I will not be surprised if and from heavier gazelles the bridge "" with a removable reducer can be thrust in . Existing principal steams approach in all 3 types of bridges (including ancient demountable type "".) D>> the Back bridge at them different,  collapses on  in a month, at them even gear wheels different. But like on  the last year release from for unifications would put , but not on the contrary. IID> Gear wheels absolutely identical. Even  , with  3.58 approach on all types of bridges. I to you will tell - casing of differential at Volga in the sizes 1-v-1 as on civil and "" bridges Oise more. Here  on semiaxes - others. And semiaxes loaded, unlike Oise, at last a construction as by trucks. Because of the broken semiaxis the wheel does not depart, as on the Field any. What 3.58, on a gazelle even 3.9 from factory did not put (on a sable can be). From factory on a gazelle put 5.1 and 4.55. With  3.58 and with a load a gazelle to go that cannot. That that can be delivered, it is clear, is not eliminated that there will be even  back pair which approaches. IID>>> a check point - identical, . Difference only in transmitting numbers. D>> interchangeable does not mean that they identical from factory. At gazelles of a box differ even among themselves, differ inside. Especially when began to put a diesel engine. IID> re-read a phrase which you answer. For me the word identical is that means identical, at not, at which seat identical. Identical - the identical means identical, completely. IID>>> brake a support - identical. D>> here I do not remember, but it is a little trusted, after all radiuses of brake disks the different. IID> you do not remember, and I 3 years with these supports . On Oise. Then decided to throw out VAZOVSKY a support from the back bridge (sour) and to deliver  round. Which proved to be excellently. And being afraid  on the front bridge made . The faceplates, allowing to deliver at once 2 supports on a wheel. Yet did not test. Yes and here ? It is possible to deliver much that and anywhere. The question that is put in the car from factory.