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Topic: Why there is no trust Google Cloud (about non-profitable)

Here there are cloudy platforms at 3 giants. At a microsoftware - Azure, at Amazon - AWS, at Google - GAE. They appeared almost simultaneously (in historical scales), thus everyone rolled out the counters. Amazon was the trailblazer, at first there all was similar on VDS, but with constant payment. Then already expanded and made simple possibility of tincture of auto-scaling. Microsoft began at once with auto-scaling. Google, of course, wanted to outride all with the GAE - payment for clock periods of the processor, instead of in time. But here popularity GAE the low. And already  there to climb, after all time low popularity, means soon they it close, as many other services. And time soon close - that it is not necessary to put in it time and forces if so you want clouds - use decisions from more stable competitors. And time wants to risk nobody - means money there do not go also its Google of 100 % closes, as we saw closing of many services Google earlier. Such big blunderer turns out Google. Earlier they declared that we close services as we want to concentrate on the cores - search and gmail. So  you  opened them, of what thought? Here on it now they should forget about discovery of new services, the same Cloud Computing - they blunderers, again all  and throw. Nobody will contact the such. And so, apparently, like quite good idea to cut non-profitable projects. But sometimes it is necessary to support at least in a decaying state to save trust.

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S> And so, apparently, like quite good idea to cut non-profitable projects. But sometimes it is necessary to support at least in a decaying state to save trust. The more the corporation, the is more in it than bureaucracy and the more it rots. The period of rough heyday of Google left for a long time already, so impairment of any things naturally. PS. Try RedHat OpenShift. I am insolent at them  to statistican from all the a web of sites. Time for these two years did not see any glitch.

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And there is any statistics on GAE/AWS/Azure? GAE it is unusual that for optimal recycling of resources there it is necessary to write on any the , to use any  . And on  it is simple  with normal human  without any nonsenses. To tell the truth till now I do not understand, what for people use all this mess instead of buying normal VPS.

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Hello, vsb, you wrote: vsb> what for people use all this mess instead of buying normal VPS. To normal VPS it is necessary to buy still the system administrator who on a knee makes on normal VDS - autoscaling - load balancing - monitoring - distributed database And on this mess (AWS) it is possible to predict all these things a mouse for 50 dollars in a month.

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12/9/2016 10:22, c3p0 writes:> vsb> what for people use all this mess instead of buying> normal VPS.> To normal VPS it is necessary to buy still the system administrator who on a knee makes on> normal VDS> - autoscaling> - load balancing> - monitoring> - distributed database For some reason at me such sensation that 99.9 % of projects,  in AWS it is not required never. Old I become, hypochondriac) - WBR, Serge. Posted via RSDN NNTP Server 2.1 beta

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vsb> To tell the truth till now I do not understand, what for people use all this mess instead of buying normal VPS. Simply you yet did not work with big data c a large quantity of users worldwide. The given model (mess) calculates very artfully - on the instance nearest to the user. Roughly speaking, it is parallel php on hundreds or thousand the nearest servers without loading on the main communication channels. For example, the necessary code can directly appear physically on the server in your city and there is no need round globe to drive traffic. For the given reason, for example, YouTube never brakes, and other similar services by pore do not cope with loading even if at the user the abrupt channel of the Internet. Slices of popular videos are scattered on thousand , instead of load the unique machine to which on popular videos can connect simultaneously ten thousand users.

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Hello, rean, you wrote: vsb>> To tell the truth till now I do not understand, what for people use all this mess instead of buying normal VPS. R> it is simple you yet did not work with big data c a large quantity of users worldwide. Yes anybody with such projects does not work, all buy  on  in 10 times more expensively any  and launch there any small site. R> the given model (mess) calculates very artfully - on the instance nearest to the user. Roughly speaking, it is parallel php on hundreds or thousand the nearest servers without loading on the main communication channels. For example, the necessary code can directly appear physically on the server in your city and there is no need round globe to drive traffic. R> for the given reason, for example, YouTube never brakes, and other similar services by pore do not cope with loading even if at the user the abrupt channel of the Internet. Slices of popular videos are scattered on thousand , instead of load the unique machine to which on popular videos can connect simultaneously ten thousand users. , only  not on  works, and itself comes to providers and puts the .

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Hello, vsb, you wrote: vsb> Yes anybody with such projects does not work, all buy  on  in 10 times more expensively any  and launch there any small site. Well do not tell. Sometimes even normal  after the news publication about a product on a popular site ceases to work. And it is yours it is possible to tell an hour of triumph and there is its risk . Even if 95 % of time at you loading of the processor of 1-5 % for the sake of such hour of triumph it is necessary to overpay. vsb> Ugu, only  not on  works, and itself comes to providers and puts the . The equipment is when at you stable loading of service when you stand on the feet.

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H> For some reason at me such sensation that 99.9 % of projects,  in AWS H> it is not required never. Old I become, hypochondriac) On   set SAAS, startups and is simple e-commerce shops. I do not know, whether they make of 0.1 %, but elementary  is necessary to any service, and  allow to receive it for copecks. For example at you shop with the continuous flow of orders. And idle time is extremely harmful to it. Buy  resources and stretch a database on some servers in some . Here at all about big-data or any difficult calculations. Approaches and for the shop trading in pampers. I suspect  such projects one million.

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Hello, c3p0, you wrote: a C> For example at you shop with the continuous flow of orders. And idle time is extremely harmful to it. Buy  resources and stretch a database on some servers in some . A C> Here at all about big-data or any difficult calculations. Approaches and for the shop trading in pampers. I suspect  such projects one million. Tell to me please as the normal relational basis is expanded on some servers.

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12/9/2016 16:55, c3p0 writes:> For example at you shop with the continuous flow of orders. And idle time> is extremely harmful to it. Buy  resources and stretch basis> the data on some servers in some . What for??? How many from you on time in a year occupies idle time because of inaccessibility of one VPS in the same DigitalOcean? At me here . Tensioning everything "on some servers" assumes that the software is initially written with a sight on operation in a cluster, differently risks of that it will be  10 times more risks of inaccessibility of the server. - WBR, Serge. Posted via RSDN NNTP Server 2.1 beta

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Hello, vsb, you wrote: vsb> To tell the truth till now I do not understand, what for people use all this mess instead of buying normal VPS. It is the tax to ignorance.

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Tell to me please as the normal relational basis is expanded on some servers. I tell https://aws.amazon.com/rds/details/multi-az

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Hello, c3p0, you wrote:> Tell to me please as the normal relational basis is expanded on some servers. A C> I Tell a C> https://aws.amazon.com/rds/details/multi-az> a DB in several zones of availability Amazon RDS automatically creates primary  a DB and synchronously  the data on reserve  in other zone of availability.> the synchronous physical replication for maintenance of synchronization reserve  with the core. Accelerations in such circuit I do not see. One central server, on it all write, record in it should creep away on all remarks, and it occupies time, and - while it does not appear on all remarks, reading from one remark should not show this record. Such record occupies more time, than record on one server. What, at  channels own, a direct optical fiber directly from the Santa-rose to Shanghai? I exaggerate certainly a little, there are everyones READ UNCOMITTED - and whether many developers generally use isolation levels by operation from a DB? Even - whether it is a lot of people in course about such? During my operation in one Novosibirsk MS-oriented office, which did a technical part of a startup on Azure for triple of managers from MS (studies the father for  all year, aha), there there was a counting of votes. Also it has been implemented in such type on EntityFramework: using (var base = CreateContext () {var voting = base. GetVotingById (id); voting. Votes ++; base. SaveChanges ();} (I do not remember who wrote it - whether MS-sheep, whether my predecessor -  a type Jack of all trades - , , MVC, Angular) Guess, what began at noticeable enough flow of the voting? And know, what decision was offered local (both very executive, and punctual, a bough, and would give on a head for the Asian eagerness) the Novosibirsk manager? do {try {using (var base = CreateContext () {var voting = base. GetVotingById (id); voting. Votes ++; base. SaveChanges ();} } catch (ConcurrentModifyException e)//or as there it is called... {continue;}} while (false); I want to tell that miracles do not happen, and vertical scaling can be automatic only, and for simultaneous operation of several servers the programmer too should make efforts, both rather big. And still it is necessary to look for such programmers, and furthermore - managers for them.

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I want to tell that miracles do not happen, and vertical scaling can be automatic only, and for simultaneous operation of several servers the programmer too should make efforts, both rather big. And still it is necessary to look for such programmers, and furthermore - managers for them. Thanks for the story about voting. It agree that for operation on a cluster of servers the nontrivial decisions ground under specific applications are necessary. To me as the client of a database-hosting who does not like to potter with bases, needs reliable storage in which it is possible to suppose and get and receive notification messages on mail about availability of basis. And this task  solves, spreading (, ). Productivity for me is not especially critical. Pleases that in case of basis breakage, it will be automatically regenerated from a copy. Allows to relax and be engaged in others more important issues more shortly. Adjusting automatic  it is finite.

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Hello, Glory, you wrote: do {> try {> using (var base = CreateContext ()> {> var voting = base. GetVotingById (id); voting. Votes ++; base. SaveChanges ();}>} catch (ConcurrentModifyException e)//or as there it is called...> {> continue;}>} while (false);> It is an example from the documentation, repeatedly saw. It is possible even to tell a pattern. For RSDN would approach, for example, here not too often put estimations and the exception will arise rarely (the error arises if on one id will vote too often). For  does not approach - there on 100 estimations in a second on 1 popular video, will brake because of ConcurrentModifyException. There is other decision with application of transactions in a cache memory (or non-blocking operations) with periodic saving in basis.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> It is an example from the documentation, repeatedly saw. It is possible even to tell a pattern. For RSDN would approach, for example, here not too often put estimations and the exception will arise rarely (the error arises if on one id will vote too often). For  does not approach - there on 100 estimations in a second on 1 popular video, will brake because of ConcurrentModifyException. There is other decision with application of transactions in a cache memory (or non-blocking operations) with periodic saving in basis. The matter is that would suffice normal update vote set counter = counter + 1 where id = @id http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1932 … ing-used-a At isolation level which in MSSQL by default READ COMMITTED

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Hello, Glory, you wrote: The matter is that would suffice normal update vote set counter = counter + 1 where id = @id http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1932 … ing-used-a At isolation level which in MSSQL by default READ COMMITTED Here put at all in clouds and in particular Entity Framework in which is not present bare UPDATE.