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Topic: The whole world on "they" and "we" was divided.

Hello. Passions around ml and dp in particular do not cease. Here the person absolutely categorically approached to a question and tells literally the following: In short, very soon, companies will be divided between those who are able to take advantage of artificial intelligence and machine learning for their day-to-day operations, and those that continue to operate as they always have, making them much less productive and much more unpredictable. We are talking here about the emergence of a new digital divide, a virtually Darwinian event in terms of competitiveness. The companies en masse, and developers Mean not. I.e. volens-nolens, but the nobility ml is necessary to everything, differently will not be inscribed in the market. It how to know algorithms of sorting or binary search and . Asymptotics. And the precipice between employees , , a msec etc. and normal developers will increase only. There absolutely new type of programmers as a matter of fact will work. Actually about it already started to speak, and I not single-valuedly gave references on  Levenchuka (ailev) where he directly says that in the future there will be not programmers, and  or adjusters . I.e. it as the Internet revolution (digital divide) with appearance the web-dizjnerov, web programmers and still is a lot of that. On the other hand very abrupt acquaintance from a msec says that with a head it is not necessary to dive into this business, and the mathematician is useful be knowing nevertheless. It would be desirable to know judgement of the public who that suspects this account. Revolution in our craft like the Internet approaches or a bubble inflate?

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Re: The whole world on "they" and "we" was divided.

Hello, Sharov, you wrote: S> revolution in our craft like the Internet Approaches or a bubble inflate? A cheap bubble. There would be all so simply, for a long time there would be "designers of programs". The good program even typical "a muzzle to basis", the robot does not write.

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Re: The whole world on "they" and "we" was divided.

Hello, Kolesiki, you wrote: K> the Cheap bubble. There would be all so simply, for a long time there would be "designers of programs". The good program even typical "a muzzle to basis", the robot does not write. Well so it is necessary to aspire to automate as much as possible everything, and to start to do already designers that the programmer had more a rest.

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Re: The whole world on "they" and "we" was divided.

Hello, Dead Down, you wrote: > Well so it is necessary to aspire to automate as much as possible everything, and to start to do already designers that the programmer had more a rest. Who against? * in a seat, * But judging by that such designers are not present, they most likely spend time more, than solve tasks. And what here you automate? Everything that it is possible to make the automatic machine, for a long time sits in libraries, and all remaining is written by hands.

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Re: The whole world on "they" and "we" was divided.

Hello, Kolesiki, you wrote: K> And what here you automate? Everything that it is possible to make the automatic machine, for a long time sits in libraries, and all remaining is written by hands. Well further, at first to automate hands, then feet, and and a head already...

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Re: The whole world on "they" and "we" was divided.

Hello, Sharov, you wrote: S> It would be desirable to know judgement of the public who that suspects this account. Revolution in our craft like the Internet approaches or a bubble inflate? Revolution of level of the 3d-press. Will be, but not in the nearest couple of years. It is necessary to look years through five.

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Re: The whole world on "they" and "we" was divided.

Hello, Kolesiki, you wrote: K> Hello, Sharov, you wrote: S>> revolution in our craft like the Internet Approaches or a bubble inflate? K> a cheap bubble. There would be all so simply, for a long time there would be "designers of programs". The good program even typical "a muzzle to basis", the robot does not write. While yes, while only so (from here): But what systems which by data And receive the answer In can? There is one rule which helps to realize latitude of application of technologies: if the person can solve any task no more than for a second of speculations, most likely, in the near future technologies of machine intelligence learn to solve it. But then there will be 2 seconds and tramples on an exhibitor. You look also a muzzle to basis to learn to do.

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Re: The whole world on "they" and "we" was divided.

Hello, Sharov, you wrote: S> But then there will be 2 seconds and tramples on an exhibitor. You look also a muzzle to basis to learn to do. Only time of fastening of AI to the task too tramples on an exhibitor.

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Re: The whole world on "they" and "we" was divided.

Hello, Ops, you wrote: Ops> Hello, Sharov, you wrote: S>> But then there will be 2 seconds and tramples on an exhibitor. You look also a muzzle to basis to learn to do. Ops> only time of fastening of AI to the task too tramples on an exhibitor. , here with this complexity, fastening, also will struggle the programmer of years through 10-15.

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Re: The whole world on "they" and "we" was divided.

Hello, Sharov, you wrote: S> Ugu, here with this complexity, fastening, also will struggle the programmer of years through 10-15. And a profit in what? If complexity of fastening exponential, and the classical decision is easier?

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Re: The whole world on "they" and "we" was divided.

Hello, Ops, you wrote: Ops> Hello, Sharov, you wrote: S>> Ugu, here with this complexity, fastening, also will struggle the programmer of years through 10-15. Ops> And a profit in what? If complexity of fastening exponential, and the classical decision is easier? Was specific muzzles to  in what. And here for other tasks about which it is is specific to me, or the mankind generally does yet know, the profit can be. Here cashiers do not become already necessary, autopilots by the machine, the medicine undergoes changes etc. I and asked a question on purpose to understand, instead of whether there are developers, and their big part, behind a progress board? To you under 40 years and bang! all sharply changes also your skills are not claimed any more and you on  with students. It is necessary to understand - to spread to itself in advance or not to spread?

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Re: The whole world on "they" and "we" was divided.

S> It would be desirable to know judgement of the public who that suspects this account. Revolution in our craft like the Internet approaches or a bubble inflate? Programmers are translators of requirements of business from human language on machine. The programmer is able to tell to the computer that it is necessary for it to make. I think that these your adjusters can be carried to , a thin interlayer between business and programmers more likely. And analysts of the data is a subset of set . What they the relation have to development as a whole? How their knowledge help them to write the accounting program or the driver for ? Did not work in  or Google, in what your way a precipice? The same people there work. Other knowledge and skills  other area of operation. Never revolution these ' neural networks '. Revolution will be, but is not fast (to branch measures). It Also will look differently: On the one hand any housewife can program, with another - without knowledge of data domain anything valuable not to make.

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Re: The whole world on "they" and "we" was divided.

Hello, Sharov, you wrote: S> I also asked a question on purpose to understand, instead of whether there are developers, and their big part, behind a progress board? To you under 40 years and bang! all sharply changes also your skills are not claimed any more and you on  with students. It is necessary to understand - to spread to itself in advance or not to spread? So revolutionary discovery you and so , and if  the old approach on our century suffices.

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Re: The whole world on "they" and "we" was divided.

Hello, Ops, you wrote: Ops> Hello, Sharov, you wrote: S>> I also asked a question on purpose to understand, instead of whether there are developers, and their big part, behind a progress board? To you under 40 years and bang! all sharply changes also your skills are not claimed any more and you on  with students. It is necessary to understand - to spread to itself in advance or not to spread? Ops> so revolutionary discovery you and so , and if  the old approach on our century suffices. Unless so, yes. : why I revolutionary discovery ?

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Re: The whole world on "they" and "we" was divided.

Hello, Sharov, you wrote: S> On the other hand very abrupt acquaintance from a msec says that with a head it is not necessary to dive into this business, and the mathematician is useful be knowing nevertheless. Correctly speaks. To raise own qualification always costs. If the mathematics is interesting - dive with a head. If engineering operation is interesting - for critical projects (not the web of muzzles) will always find serious engineers difficultly and they will be always necessary, raise own qualification in engineering sphere (a C ++ and other). But to know that there from AI and what scope of application at different algorithms, costs. At least simply because it is one of few spheres in our area where it is possible to be engaged in researches and not bad to earn. S> It would be desirable to know judgement of the public who that suspects this account. Revolution in our craft like the Internet approaches or a bubble inflate? A bubble too inflate. Those who work from AI, use attention of the public which is not enough that in it understands, and inflate to itself value and importance. If they, say, presented AI as the application-oriented statistics the effect would be absolutely another. It is all absolutely naturally and normally. Yes, the application field will extend. But to expect creation of any superbrain I did not become.

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Re: The whole world on "they" and "we" was divided.

Hello, Sharov, you wrote: S> While yes, while only so (from here): S> if the person can solve any task no more than for a second of speculations, most likely, in the near future technologies of machine intelligence learn to solve it. And quality of the decision and a correctness will correspond "natural" ? If yes - gentlemen, we disperse.

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Re: The whole world on "they" and "we" was divided.

Hello, Sinix, you wrote: S> And quality of the decision and a correctness will correspond "natural" ? S> If yes - gentlemen, we disperse. Looking about what task speech.

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Re: The whole world on "they" and "we" was divided.

Hello, RiNSpy, you wrote: RNS> But to expect creation of any superbrain I did not become. The pancake, yes expects nobody superbrain creation. Well people as birds, yes do not fly. But people created the plane, and it already very much and very abruptly. As well here.  it here pronounces all.

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Re: The whole world on "they" and "we" was divided.

Hello, namespace, you wrote: N> What they have the relation to development as a whole? How their knowledge help them to write the accounting program or the driver for ? N> did not work in  or Google, in what your way a precipice? The same people there work. Other knowledge and skills  other area of operation. I will not stop on that moment that average  strong enough engineer in itself. Speech not about it. Simply about 5-10 years ago all programmers were intersected on the same skills - in the core this knowledge and ability to apply algorithms, asymptotics, patterns-figatterny and here it here all. I.e. without dependence from the company people spoke in one language. At  this language owing to specificity of operation was richer. Now, perhaps, there is a passage from kol-va to quality - one part of programmers as a matter of fact will not think any more in categories alg, patterns and here it here everything, and will think in categories of adjustments of all  and the other adjacent. I.e. other skills, other toolkit. While the great bulk of developers as  remains with the same out-of-date productive forces. N> revolution will be, but is not fast (to branch measures). N> it Also will look differently: any housewife on the one hand can program, with another - without knowledge of data domain anything valuable not to make. Here we look

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Re: The whole world on "they" and "we" was divided.

Hello, Sharov, you wrote: S> Hello, RiNSpy, you wrote: RNS>> But to expect creation of any superbrain I did not become. S> a pancake, yes nobody expects superbrain creation. Well people as birds, yes do not fly. But people created the plane, and it already very much and very abruptly. As well here.  it here pronounces all. Yes, I with it as a whole agree. There is many "is low-hanging fruit", diagnostics and medicine the most obvious. Yes, they will appear all in  an amount of areas (for example, marvelously, machine training only just comes to the finance). But it will not look as any science-fiction revolution about which the main ideologists speak. More likely, evolution - as, for example, , or the clever machines, which hold a band, etc. And the main ideologists speak about a superbrain, machines without drivers and an other fantasy, and in very fast time. Though it seems to me  starts to roll off a little. But about comparing with a bubble in a web in 1999 it it is very good  it is noted. Revolution in a web too after all crept "imperceptibly" and not absolutely as it expected.

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Re: The whole world on "they" and "we" was divided.

Hello, Sharov, you wrote: S> I also asked a question on purpose to understand, instead of whether there are developers, and their big part, behind a progress board? To you under 40 years and bang! all sharply changes also your skills are not claimed any more and you on  with students. It is necessary to understand - to spread to itself in advance or not to spread? Do not worry. To me already under 50, and I continue all . Really to the programmer it is necessary - to be able to read and understand only one skill the instruction. It is not important that there under a cowl - a neural network, so a neural network. The instruction will be just the same - "to make in a fantastic way, push here this button".

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Re: The whole world on "they" and "we" was divided.

Hello, Kernighan, you wrote: K> Hello, Sharov, you wrote: S>> I also asked a question on purpose to understand, instead of whether there are developers, and their big part, behind a progress board? To you under 40 years and bang! all sharply changes also your skills are not claimed any more and you on  with students. It is necessary to understand - to spread to itself in advance or not to spread? K> do not worry. To me already under 50, and I continue all . K> Really to the programmer it is necessary - to be able to read and understand only one skill the instruction. K> it is not important that there under a cowl - a neural network, so a neural network. K> the instruction will be just the same - "to make in a fantastic way, push here this button". K> Not about that speech. \ not that, and at some instant your experience is necessary to nobody also you become on one step with students in respect of competitiveness.

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Re: The whole world on "they" and "we" was divided.

Hello, Sharov, you wrote: S> : why I revolutionary discovery ? You will not have time In the sense that in advance to be prepared.

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Re: The whole world on "they" and "we" was divided.

Hello, Sharov, you wrote: And without any AI already  sites "Made robots for robots"

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Re: The whole world on "they" and "we" was divided.

Hello, aloch, you wrote: A> And without any AI already  sites "Made robots for robots" Where the such?