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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> To me it is not absolutely clear that means nationalized? Now like not communism. How the private property right? There is such superprofitable principle - "profit privatization + nationalization of losses". Kolomojsky "privatized" all that could with Privata, deduced . Now the state nationalized losses - i.e. incurred all debts of bank. Thus money smoothly removed from the population to a pocket Kolomojsky. On similar system after disorder of the USSR fulfilled set of the enterprises, including in the Russian Federation - take any large factory, type credits, money deduce - and then it appears that it " the enterprise" and it it is necessary to roll off at the expense of the state.

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Hello, drVan, you wrote: V>  it is the next nail in a coffin of temporal formation under a title Ukraine. The angered Ukrainian people now runs to remove all that else it is possible to remove and not only from Privata the Ukrainian people at whom that was to remove, for a long time already all removed

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Hello, vdimas, you wrote: V> Hello, VladD2, you wrote: VD>> the Ministry lets out 30-year-old bonds of an internal state loan on 150  grivnas. Papers will be redeemed by National bank, and the received grivna will "join" the Privatbank capital. VD>> [/q] V> it is cool, it is direct  system. VD>>  and only! And where those rams what buy on 150 billion candy wrappers? V> buy. Who, on what platform and under what percent? V> when the bad investment climate state loan bonds well disperse. It as it V> If they still guessed also national bank to nationalize - generally it would be healthy. ? V> the Loan, on the contrary, rescues from such press. It if the loan will be redeemed by the exterior investor that is very improbable. V> Here macroeconomic laws do not work, stock exchange laws here work. What-strange thought. V> On-essence, economic problems of Ukraine - they from Mezhbank. There is a set of other more serious factors. V> I.e. Problems in Ukraine not that the Russian Federation any more does not order at it . All it  on vegetable oil, copecks in shares from gross national product. Problems not only at , problems at all exporters to Russia, export to Russia to normal years was ~30-40 %. If to count, there there will be units of percent from gross national product, instead of shares of percent. Thus at Ukraine a trading deficit already for a long time, therefore export abbreviation should conduct to I depreciate grivnas and to home market abbreviation. Still the interesting moment: falling of grivna does not give a particular advantage to the Ukrainian economy. V> it was important only for filling of Mezhbank by currency, i.e. for hryvnia exchange rate maintenance. And if to look at macroeconomic and to dream up that this stock exchange is not present, Ukraine is quite capable to provide itself with meal, clothes, energy etc. All enterprises are, demand for operation good, the people  live not the lazy. In the theory yes: to create one more northern Korea it is possible. Only in practice it is not possible in any way. Even Belarus not especially succeeded in it. V> I.e. present problems - they especially and only from financial instability because of a knot of course of a mane on this damned currency stock exchange. , it was clear still when the grivna somehow for one day  from course 5 to course 8 and and was not rolled away reversely. I.e. already then it was clear that the hryvnia exchange rate is defined not by economy, and a panic on Mezhbank, i.e. already then vulnerability of the mechanism of economy of Ukraine was visible monstrous (in another way and you will not tell)... But anything with  did not become, morons, (. Overwhelming majority of the countries also are vulnerable. While there is a global demand for dollar and gold consider in the dollars, any small and average  the economy from it is not insured. Europeans escaped introduction of euro and creation of huge uniform economy. V> Therefore, any rupture of the international commercial relations (international), even if there speech about small to measures of Ukraine turns - it very painful, after all this reduction of inflow of the currency, multiplied by the panic caused by this reduction.  a panic there somewhere 10-20. I.e. economy from a panic approximately at 10-20 times more harm, than, , from broken links. Here is how it works for them and that is why the polar fox happened so quickly and practically out of the blue. And should be somehow on another?

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Hello, Jeffrey, you wrote:... To print money... The hryvnia exchange rate, etc. grows To be reduced. On the other hand it is good, since during recent time ( 3 years) and the European union and , and even  with  would resort to these measures what to recover economy growth.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S>... Well and the main thing. The Kolomojsky fool or not?... There is no certainly, as far as I know it now in London. Will have legal proceedings likely, from London to have legal proceedings more conveniently because in torture chambers  do not lock. So it not the fool. But to return the property to it already helps nothing... I think it it perfectly understands, that it stole that earned to it should suffice on life residual in London.

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> the state in the name of the Ministry of Finance becomes the owner of 100 % of actions  Privatbank and guarantees uninterrupted functioning of this establishment and saving of means of its clients. Than is interesting was engaged  earlier? The regulator overslept problem bank, and the largest bank. Problems began not yesterday. It can mean that control over economy is lost almost completely. If to the last did not accept any controlling measures to the backbone subject of economic relations that there in remaining branches it is necessary to guess only. The logical decision would be  grivna, at least time in ones and a half. The measure in the people not popular, but here is a question of resuscitation, any more before populism. How think drop grivna, or will retain with the last bit of strength?

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Hello, BOBKA_XPEH, you wrote: BOB> There is no certainly, as far as I know it now in London. That it he to London got over? He lived in Geneva last years 10.

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Hello, Berserk, you wrote: Something Vovka was not marked yet, it is interesting to hear its favourite mantra on a subject "at Yanukovych business wrung out". Very long ago it did not develop this subject. More and more about "", recently.

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Hello, BOBKA_XPEH, you wrote: BOB> I think it it perfectly understands, that it stole that earned to it should suffice on life residual in London. After all such life is not necessary to it. The sense is not present. And in London it anybody.

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Hello, Fornications Pavel, you wrote: > That it he to London got over? He lived in Geneva last years 10. I do not know. Generally he lived in Dnepropetrovsk, and a family in Geneva. But the fact that its plane arrived to London.

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Hello, Los Chtostrjaslos, you wrote: > here > [q] the state in the name of the Ministry of Finance becomes the owner of 100 % of actions  Privatbank and guarantees uninterrupted functioning of this establishment and saving of means of its clients. Yes, here to you and "advantage revolution"... At once said that it is all - no more, than  local "". I think, at the president new "the free country" sharply adds ...

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Hello, Sharov, you wrote: S> Than it is fraught? Yes in general, "Gunpowder" can simply fill up, and all...

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Hello, Dym On, you wrote: DO> the Logical decision would be  grivna, at least time in ones and a half. The measure in the people not popular, but here is a question of resuscitation, any more before populism. How think drop grivna, or will retain with the last bit of strength? If could drop, for a long time would drop. But it is favourable to lend EU to Ukraine that German fat in shop costed more cheaply the local. Here when all manufacture in Ukraine "will not be inscribed in the market" (cease then to lend. Beforehand  for copecks  industry residuals. In an ideal, in Ukraine an Ukrainian there should be only one: Ukrainians. All factories and roads should belong to "strong masters" () from Germany.

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Hello, jhfrek, you wrote: J> the Ukrainian people at whom that was to remove, removed for a long time already all There are still current payments, a turn

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DO> Than is interesting was engaged  earlier? How than? Gave money of Privatu For PrivatBank half of all banking refinancing produced in the country is necessary. For June, 1st this index on system exceeded 46  grivnas. From all specified total the most part, from above 24,6  grivnas, have been produced to one establishment - to largest PrivatBanku. http://antikor.com.ua/articles/111045-p … iskuet_nbu

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> To me it is not absolutely clear that means nationalized? Now like not communism. How the private property right? Well, generally "nationalization"! = "confiscation". Besides,  repeatedly rescued, therefore it is thought that  at it before the state not sickly. Here for this  in . also took. S> Or nevertheless all understand, what the private property right works while it on what does not influence, and here large-scale projects should be state? Anyway, but  "grew" itself. What to do with such projects??? S> I was absolutely tangled. That said one that communism and nationalization of the enterprises angrily. Who spoke? Here from them also ask... S> That now another.  "too big to fall". Therefore it, in difference from other banks, do not liquidate. S> well and the main thing. The Kolomojsky fool or not? If is not present, foresaw a situation and  it is already empty, that other as a baby's dummy which cannot return deposits at all. Yes not? So likely that  appeared in such situation - and there is a consequence of that that Benja of means therefrom deduced. It only began it clearly not yesterday and for certain at all one year ago. Into the account "baby's dummy" - , besides the sizes and turns at it simply a baby's dummy do not allow to be. (, under the tax it enters into a top-20, and in 2016 payments in the budget budgets of some areas of Ukraine superimposes).

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> And  did not guess - there is a difference to nationalize and sell. It that receives from nationalization? 1 grivna, seem

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Hello, Patsak, you wrote: Hello, Los Chtostrjaslos, you wrote: Most likely Benja simply had not time to learn in time to use a knife. All time has been spent for learning PHP.

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DO>> Than is interesting was engaged  earlier? S> As than? I gave money of Privatu Here and I speak:. : , , give ! : Take, native what to itself do not refuse!

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Hello, Los Chtostrjaslos, you wrote: > here > the state in the name of the Ministry of Finance becomes the owner of 100 % of actions  Privatbank and guarantees uninterrupted functioning of this establishment and saving of means of its clients. > And what, forgot already as couple of years back Kolomojsky "" on Poroshenko? Then they so sat and dispersed silently peacefully, since then about Kolomojsky did not gleam. Because the big money loves silence - in that clinch Kolomojsky tried to take the big piece of Ukraine, but does not happen - so all this time on silent was engaged in frauds and an output , carrying out all Privat and hanging up on it a heap of debts. Now it falls down from Ukraine, and ruins of Privata - now a problem of investors, tax bearers and all economy of Ukraine.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> After all such life is not necessary to it. The sense is not present. And in London it anybody. On the other hand though to kill wants nobody...

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> And what, forgot already as couple of years back Kolomojsky "" on Poroshenko? Then they so sat and dispersed silently peacefully, since then about Kolomojsky did not gleam. Well not absolutely so.   on , but the American ambassador interfered, had a talk with Benej and that calmed down. Went to agree with Poroshenko...

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> And on  in what it should express? What forces the person to get the dollars from a hiding place, to exchange for grivnas and to incur in bank? From discharge "you already ceased to drink cognac in the mornings?" The right answer - also did not begin)) Specially : to DECELERATE growth here this digit I.e., with some probability the next portion of spare cash the Ukrainian changes for dollars not everything though something gets in favor of a state loan.

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V>> When the bad investment climate state loan bonds well disperse. S> it as it Probably meant that on such bonds the good percent is normally given. But  it does not work for already  situations.

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Hello, Berserk, you wrote: V>> Therefore, any rupture of the international commercial relations (international), even if there speech about small to measures of Ukraine turns - it very painful, after all this reduction of inflow of the currency, multiplied by the panic caused by this reduction.  a panic there somewhere 10-20. I.e. economy from a panic approximately at 10-20 times more harm, than, , from broken links. Here is how it works for them and that is why the polar fox happened so quickly and practically out of the blue. You confuse the reason to a consequence. We tell so, it not that level of arguing that you here easily put end.) ) I do not confuse. In Ukraine I independently should was fill monthly all dock for game at a currency stock exchange (commissions to bank). Sometimes traced tendencies, held or on the contrary - sold at once much. And, the EC th, all years looked as there and that, especially with natural curiosity. The saltus from 5 to 8  for dollar was especially indicative. There it is simple hearings some transited... Well and all. And reversely then it was not rolled away any more - sellers were afraid to sell dollars more low. And buyers were afraid not to buy at the current price - suddenly the course again then jumps up? Charming positive back coupling, not? Also works like clock-work, .> the Currency is necessary what the Ukrainian enterprises could to pay the credits in currency and to buy the import goods without which Ukraine in any way does not live (to take at least the same gas). As a share from gross national product all expenditures on gas are hardly visible under a microscope. I will explain. In Ukraine it is considered to be expenditures on gas artfully - from expenses for the Russian gas take away cost of its transportation and extinguish turned out residual. And so, in 2017 year, most likely (they there almost on third lowered gas consumption) already the Russian Federation owes to Ukraine for gas, rather the reverse. Y-Y-Y many times. Likely therefore the Russian Federation wants to cease to transport by 18th year through Ukraine,  it will be,  , all the same Ukrainian  and it is a lot of  at all levels.)) let it will be  with tears in the face of (gas it is necessary less because of  economy). But, nevertheless, a situation hilarious and this without variants.) ) But figs with it, it too is not basic. If at all there would be no such there-here a system of mutual settlements, all the gas price is ridiculous in shares from gross national product. There gross national product failed at all on the price of gas and at all cost of the lost orders from the Russian Federation. At first, gross national product began fall sharply still BEFORE Ukraine and the Russian Federation began to tear communications everyone from its part. That is why that  began to buy up sharply cash dollars. Also it is old and  both a private trader and the large businessman. I.e., yes, - began to take away from bank grivna and sharply to change for dollars. And here it already generated a panic when the dollar in 3 days from 7.9 became 12 and reversely besides was not rolled away. It still the Maidan, I will remind. It still all enterprises worked perfectly, still all orders in force, and Ukraine ALREADY grew poor on 33 % for 3 days (if to consider not under resulted gross national product, and on absolute - and Ukraine pays for gas and other import on an absolute scale, the EC th). And secondly, , re-read and understood that I write absolutely  which should see even students. In general, just in this question all is too simple and obvious to argue in its basic part. It is possible  only on . Well and than inflow of currency by that it less is more expensive, it is the same goods as well as all remaining. In it the trick also consists that in the formula goods-money-goods, money name something general-purpose, suitable for storage, accumulation, output of loans, clearing of debts etc. etc. It and is that "function" of money. And so. When one currency change for another boundaries of "money" and "goods" are blurred, truly? But, the more the difference in currency "weight" (the weight is not cost, it is "authority" of currency), the more "strong" currency appears in a role of money, i.e. the it is more in goods role the grivna appears "feeble", that is. You  glades already? Adam Smith and Lomonosov are twisted in a coffin as propellers. To us say that "the currency is the goods", but it is a deceit of a century. On the contrary, at such deals - currency are money, and the money - the goods. And Mezhbank and other it only tools. . Mezhbank is a tool of separation of economic support from  money. And I on-naivety considered that it and so it should be clear though hinted on  a case: Here so they hold both Ukraine and the Russian Federation for nutlets. I.e. the grivna has been perfectly provided by economy, but, nevertheless failed at the height of the Maidan. Because money ceased to fulfill function of money. Because they are not provided by economy. And not because grivnas it is printed much, that is why that / by money and economy generally any communication. Because the course of internal currency is formed in any magic image following the results of resale of ANOTHER'S currency by private traders (under the law ONLY private traders) IN the country. Rotational speed of Lomonosov in a coffin comes nearer to luminous, and Adam Smith broke for a long time this barrier.) ) In general, it would be ridiculous, if was not so sadly. Further. To overcome this moment easily, here all is obvious (and I tell all time about it) - to forbid private banks ANY currency transactions enough. The lion's share of sellers-Chineses about the Ali-express train never in eyes see dollars. All currency transactions are produced the automatic machine by the State Bank at a current rate. It even is more convenient, . I would not refuse to forget for ever about fuss with currency - let at the rate enlists at once on rouble () my account. It is less reporting, it is less than subtleties on calculation of taxes (from dollar rate increase change earnings are formed, ) etc., etc. One is bad - if of this circuit to get rid, it as declaration of war to Europe and America. It, at first, the automatic exception of IMF club, and then is more further.> It is possible to enter certainly rigid currency regulation (as it did both in Ukraine and in Russia) God with you. No regulation of Mezhbank neither in the Russian Federation nor in Ukraine happens.) ) The Central Bank here appears as the normal player, it is better nothing and is not worse remaining, i.e. market mechanisms, as well as to any large trader are accessible to it only especially. Play Mezhbank private offices can ONLY. I hope, you already glades one more , - why neither in the Russian Federation nor in Ukraine at the government do not rise a hand to organize the state national bank?> and it certainly helps to smooth the peaks caused by a panic and speculators. And it, of course, feebleness and a shame, instead of "to smooth peaks". In such arguings another surprises me... Colleagues, here frankly. In your house there lives the tyrant which by turns has members of household when to him takes in head. But in the house "good form rules" that it is accepted not to note this tyrant were installed such, silently it suffer and even to consider it it is considered . Here is how I will try to talk on a subject of money - so all sharply start to adhere similar to "good form rules", i.e. In the most careful image try not to call things by their proper names. But it is not enough of it! Every second quite seriously tries to concentrate me on any absolutely insignificant and on what to seriously not influencing nonsense. To scatter my attention on the sides.)) I Hope, it at you not specially, that is why what well here "and what I? I as all!".)))> But in long-term perspective it is a way in anywhere. Therefore that Ukraine that Russia use this tool only at very strong necessity (to stop a panic, for example). The regulation tool is good only at its symmetry. I.e., there are currency interventions, and there is an exception. If for the first the national bank can throw out on the auctions of the printed money, on the second (absolutely symmetric operation of regulation) it to print money well cannot in any way, is restricted by reserves. Therefore, these pity attempts from outside look not as regulation, and as silent patience of the big thick organ in a bum.) ) And it I still am silent what to print the money, generally, in the Russian Federation and in Ukraine it is legislatively possible only on the price of the bought currency and precious metals . Receive a double .))