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Hello, snautSH, you wrote: SH>>> Ogo, can still will result my citation where I state the reverse? Or for you all who does not agree with a batch line 100 % always and everywhere it is enemies? M>> well, you very serial opponent  in the Russian Federation the power, also were made steady impression that for you "any enemy of my enemy - my friend" SH> Well so result citations, I still wait. Meanwhile you write nothing confirmed  Here the list

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Hello, Vasisualy Pupkindt, you wrote: M>> 45 minutes something long to look. It that, not , and a real case? Than it ate 9 years, where 9 years spoiled, at least? > https://www.moya-planeta.ru/travel/view … mlej_9775/ > It there was a big warehouse so to eat was than. The person did not despair and continued to draw duty despite of everything. Weekly changed clothes, I lubricated the weapon etc.   did not look, but it likely had to disappear? To desert, how I understand, even at desire it was impossible? Or there was "hole" on will?

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Hello, Erop, you wrote: M>> where 9 years spoiled, at least? E> cave explorers you know? Heard about the such. But you turned my representations. Cave explorers are those who for years lives underground? I thought, it are trolls. In sense - natural, instead of ours here green colleagues. E> well and in a warehouse there could be any infrastructure on this subject... E> it is much more interesting that he drank, but underground water often meets, on the other hand... I Think, approximately as in  about Mars - vapoured from  and

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Hello, Marty, you wrote: M> But you turned my representations. Cave explorers are those who for years lives underground? M> I thought, it are trolls. In sense - natural, instead of ours here green colleagues. Not, well each specific does not live, normally, caves where all time someone lives are for years, but... With . . Shit recyclings not so there the population important changes, or permanently lives. Another matter that in such caves normally in bags spoil... But there are places where the civilization did not reach yet, nevertheless... M> I Think, approximately as in  about Mars - vapoured from  and  And you in vaults happened? Normally there a problem that would not flood, instead of what directly here some water not to find. Another matter that for drink the pure is necessary... Well and with air not clearly, if fairly.

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M> Here the list There I see about an electrocar, means open the list and look nonsense history. To prove I should not, all in your style

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Hello, Erop, you wrote: M>> But you turned my representations. Cave explorers are those who for years lives underground? M>> I thought, it are trolls. In sense - natural, instead of ours here green colleagues. E> not, well each specific does not live, normally, caves where all time someone lives are for years, but... Well, so not  E> With . . Shit recyclings not so there the population important changes, or permanently lives. It yes, but a shit to utilize  it is necessary, not? E> Another matter that in such caves normally in bags spoil... But there are places where the civilization did not reach yet, nevertheless... 9 years in the bunker - even if there was a set of bags where it decomposed them? On shelves? M>> I think, approximately as in  about Mars - vapoured from  and  E> And you in vaults happened? Normally there a problem that would not flood, instead of what directly here some water not to find. Another matter that for drink the pure is necessary... Happened. On UkraineV to Crimea in any cave at excursion There still Gogol as told, the stalagmite broke off. Or it was the stalactite? Or it was not Gogol, and Dostoevsky? And can, Griboedov? E> well and with air not clearly, if fairly. Yes, about it I too forgot

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Hello, snautSH, you wrote: SH>>> Well so result citations, I still wait. Meanwhile you write nothing confirmed  M>> Here list SH> To the look, there nonsense history (in your style, the proof is not required) I do not deny the nonsenses, unlike

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M> I do not deny the nonsenses, unlike excellent, the understanding is reached

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Hello, snautSH, you wrote: M>> I do not deny the nonsenses, unlike SH> is excellent, the understanding is reached by Places - yes

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Hello, Marty, you wrote: M> 45 minutes something long to look. It that, not , and a real case? Unless at once it is not clear, what an invention?

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Hello, Vasisualy Pupkindt, you wrote: > To me other fragment was engraved in the memory. An hour military warehouse filled up underground, and it led 9 years in loneliness being drawn by duty under the charter. Well under the charter  it is impossible to make it, for "it is forbidden to the Sentry: to sleep, sit, lean against something, to write, read, sing, talk, eat, drink, to smoke, send needs of nature...". But a feat it not , certainly.

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Hello, IncremenTop, you wrote: IT> Though the Alpha which has been given the order on liquidation  is more than me , but it sabotaged it. It is called power crisis in a terminal stage. Like the power is, but anybody (well or very many) does not execute its orders. I think in a situation which was added for August of 91st, Union disorder was not the worst choice. Dorugoe business that this situation could be avoided...

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Hello, AleksandrN, you wrote: AN> Incorrect comparing. A pick asked, whether he executed the order to destroy by bombing a city. Any officer in any army of the world answers such question equally - he executes any order. The personal relation to the order and correspondence of the order to own moral standards of the officer can be various. The officer can be not agree with the order, but despite it the order will be fulfilled. The executor too bears responsibility for performance of certainly criminal order. And possibility to tell to the answer - "give such order my command cannot" at it was, it is not punishable.

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: P> the executor too bears responsibility For performance of certainly criminal order. No. Responsibility carries only the person who has given the order.

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Hello, ZevS, you wrote: ZS> It is called power crisis in a terminal stage. Like the power is, but anybody (well or very many) does not execute its orders. I think in a situation which was added for August of 91st, Union disorder was not the worst choice. Dorugoe business that this situation could be avoided... No to find true parts always it is possible. It is possible to bribe the most unscrupulous as Yeltsin made or to force to execute the order, but... It is also memoirs, and in interview involved - people blood did not want. Were afraid to spill it. And it is completely joined to their behavior.

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Hello, Skorodum, you wrote: S> Is not present. Responsibility carries only the person who has given the order. About the American laws I do not know, and on ours responsibility is carried also by the executor, at them likely as. Certainly the order should be obviously illegal, and if the executor was mistaken in an estimation of it already it to bear responsibility for order violation. Under the Soviet laws, yes, responsibility was carried only by the given order.

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: P> About the American laws I do not know, and on ours responsibility is carried also by the executor, at them likely as. Certainly the order should be obviously illegal, and if the executor was mistaken in an estimation of it already it to bear responsibility for order violation. Under the Soviet laws, yes, responsibility was carried only by the given order. Strange you tell Something. If each military man starts to treat independently laws, it will be not army, and God knows that. The charter of internal service of Armed forces of the Russian Federation: 33. One-man management is one of main principles of building of Armed forces, a manual of them and mutual relations between military men. One-man management consists in investment of the commander (chief) with all completeness of the administrative power in relation to subordinates and putting on on it of personal responsibility before the state for all aspects of life and activity of military unit, subdividing and each military man.... The subordinate is obliged to execute orders of the chief implicitly.

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Hello, rg45, you wrote: R> strange you tell Something. If each military man starts to treat independently laws, it will be not army, and God knows that. R> the Charter of internal service of Armed forces of the Russian Federation: R> R> 33. One-man management is one of main principles of building of Armed forces... Article 42 of the criminal code of Russian Federation 2. The person who has committed a deliberate crime to execute certainly illegal order or the instruction, carries a criminal liability in accordance with general practice. Violation of certainly illegal order or the instruction eliminates a criminal liability. And not to treat laws, and a head to think. That does not eliminate in military conditions and moral doubts. But military men always in advance acquaint with that in what their duties and what orders, both in a peace time, and in military can be consist.

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: R>> strange you tell Something. If each military man starts to treat independently laws, it will be not army, and God knows that. R>> the Charter of internal service of Armed forces of the Russian Federation: R>> R>> 33. One-man management is one of main principles of building of Armed forces... And that the first point passed? I will add: P> Article 42 of criminal code of Russian Federation P> 1. Is not a crime the tresspass the protected criminal law to interests the person operating to execute mandatory for it of the order or the instruction. The criminal liability for causing of such harm is carried by the person who has given the illegal order or the instruction. P> 2. The person who has committed a deliberate crime to execute certainly illegal order or the instruction, carries a criminal liability in accordance with general practice. Violation of certainly illegal order or the instruction eliminates a criminal liability.

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: P> Hello, rg45, you wrote: R>> strange you tell Something. If each military man starts to treat independently laws, it will be not army, and God knows that. R>> the Charter of internal service of Armed forces of the Russian Federation: R>> R>> 33. One-man management is one of main principles of building of Armed forces... P> Article 42 of criminal code of Russian Federation P> P> 2. The person who has committed a deliberate crime to execute certainly illegal order or the instruction, carries a criminal liability in accordance with general practice. Violation of certainly illegal order or the instruction eliminates a criminal liability. A keyword - "certainly". But the order to destroy by bombing another's city is not certainly illegal.

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Hello, Skorodum, you wrote: S> Is not present. Responsibility carries only the person who has given the order. It that, from concentration camps in vain shot executioners?

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Hello, rg45, you wrote: R> And that the first point passed? I will add: In the first point all is clear also anything new - if the order within the limits of official duties and the executor did not know all responsibility about its illegality carries given order. We consider the second point.

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Hello, AleksandrN, you wrote: AN> the Keyword - "certainly". But the order to destroy by bombing another's city is not certainly illegal. So talk began with order to destroy by bombing the city - New York. It be finite too can lawful, and can and is not present. And with the stranger all can appear not obviously.