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bas02 wrote:

it is passed...
Did not face about volume that the same request can fulfill for different time?
Can for shares of seconds and can and for some tens seconds?
Probably it depends on loading of a server, a network... But such periodically happens

And at what here MySQL when it is not known, what the request generally reached it because of "loadings of a server, a network"?

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bas02 wrote:

it is passed...
Did not face about volume that the same request can fulfill for different time?
Can for shares of seconds and can and for some tens seconds?
Probably it depends on loading of a server, a network... But such periodically happens

Faced. Well also what? It too is not hangup.
From a network - hardly. More likely from loading CPU or a disk. But if a hardware part/adjustment/architecture of a DB do not correspond to loading not MySQL it is guilty in the deceived waitings.

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Vladimir Baskakov;
Into the parcer account sql I will not undertake assured that for it
And into the account of that that in everyone  the minimum projects to push  any...
On php it as the approximate project then from it for  applications I will alter on high level language
The main essence of the project: a DBMS With the MINIMUM NECESSARY FUNCTIONAL And the MINIMUM NECESSARY OPEN CODE WHICH the PROGRAMMER of ANY QUALIFICATION CAN UNDERSTAND
It will be optional this  with support sql

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skyANA wrote:

it is passed...
That that on a picture time range in the last 3 hours is selected says that metrics in the last 3 hours wanted to look, instead of that they are only in the last 3 hours smile
Personally at you what metrics? Or you do not have metrics, but only the assumption?

At me operating experience  a several site for  years 10
Which speak about that that sites cease to work from the reasons independent of you or because the hoster needed to load a pen a server since someone suspended it.....

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bas02 wrote:

it is passed...
At me operating experience  a several site for  years 10
Which speak about that that sites cease to work from the reasons independent of you or because the hoster needed to load a pen a server since someone suspended it.....

Your answer says that over the last 10 years you never plainly understood what the reason.
That is  in the opinions be based on assumptions, instead of metrics and their analysis.

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wrote:

it is passed...
Transactions are planned?

Certainly differently  I am unreal to make on these transactions week killed

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;
There are no there many letters
More interesting most to find out problems and with them to understand

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skyANA wrote:

it is passed...
Your answer says that over the last 10 years you never plainly understood what the reason.
That is  in the opinions be based on assumptions, instead of metrics and their analysis.

That's just the point that understood
In  cases (even in all) problems not in my site, and others
Did mailing mass hung up  or still something
Administrators  a server accordingly hour or half an hour the site does not work...
Do not hold me for the idiot

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skyANA wrote:

it is passed...
Your answer says that over the last 10 years you never plainly understood what the reason.
That is  in the opinions be based on assumptions, instead of metrics and their analysis.

The guy make the favor go  where-thread to other place

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bas02, be not rude

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bas02 wrote:

it is passed...
That's just the point that understood
In  cases (even in all) problems not in my site, and others
Did mailing mass hung up  or still something
Administrators  a server accordingly hour or half an hour the site does not work...
Do not hold me for the idiot

I am not hold you for the idiot, and I try to find the objective reasons to replace MySQL on PHP.
And, if it is fair, while them I do not see.

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bas02, on the other hand as already wrote above: "It is pleasant - do..."

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As though you did not try, you will have a loss, for the simple reason, you do all on the interpreter, and the muscle works on With and as a result we have already ready compiled code. With other things being equal you do not receive more productivity, loading on the processor will grow only, spherical hostings put rigid frames, the muscle since you get rid of it will not hang up, there will be no resources on PHP with yours  basis, and again there will be "hang" or locks.
As a matter of fact you should make the same muscle only on PHP. A question - what for?
Probably you can benefit somehow if replace standard SQL with any special requests, probably even not clear to the person or at all a text type.
Into the account of hangup of a muscle - the first time such I hear, as a rule it "hangs up" because of curve requests and shortage of storage including virtual.
If you do not accept neighbors in the server, buy VPS/VDS - now the prices very much even comprehensible, were practically made even to a spherical hosting, but you receive the full freedom, including a muscle and its analog , with the big resources.
I work in this sphere years 10, there were problems because of an overload of a spherical hosting, change of the operator or more expensive rate solved a problem completely.
Anyway on a rate 60rub/month you do not launch shop with thousand goods and thousand visits a day, and on heavy systems, especially.

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bas02 wrote:

Vladimir Baskakov;
The main essence of the project: a DBMS With the MINIMUM NECESSARY FUNCTIONAL And the MINIMUM NECESSARY OPEN CODE WHICH the PROGRAMMER of ANY QUALIFICATION CAN UNDERSTAND
It will be optional this  with support sql

And what functional minimum? Than those that already are, under the Windows, the built in (embeddable) and separate bases do not arrange. With the open code.
For what tasks the minimum functional suffices?
Than under Windows does not suffice ADODB.Recordset and eventually? Not that that I dissuade. Tinkers with it certainly interesting. But! To let out a product interesting to community, on this field - it is the extremely difficult. And so, well good luck, successes.
One of participants of a forum .
https://github.com/Bazist
You of Date already? Or still is not present?

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bas02 wrote:

at me operating experience  a several site for  years 10
Which speak about that that sites cease to work from the reasons independent of you or because the hoster needed to load a pen a server since someone suspended it.....

It is a problem of money. The selected piece of iron on which the resource not is guaranteed so that simply to suspend...... That's all. To develop the  that worked , and never hung up nothing - . Most likely, people which for years already pottered with data stores  all understood and already applied, to go round to their unwinding hardly quits.
If the hoster needed to reboot -  oh, poorly what basis can give the data at the moment of reboot..........

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On  would lay out the project

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skyANA wrote:

it is passed...
I am not hold you for the idiot, and I try to find the objective reasons to replace MySQL on PHP.
And, if it is fair, while them I do not see.

Tree-like requests mysql can fulfill? Analytic functions there are
At myself I first of all will make

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Hett wrote:

On  would lay out the project

?
?
I do not want to be gray mass

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sxq wrote:

As though you did not try, you will have a loss, for the simple reason, you do all on the interpreter, and the muscle works on With and as a result we have already ready compiled code. With other things being equal you do not receive more productivity, loading on the processor will grow only, spherical hostings put rigid frames, the muscle since you get rid of it will not hang up, there will be no resources on PHP with yours  basis, and again there will be "hang" or locks.
As a matter of fact you should make the same muscle only on PHP. A question - what for?
Probably you can benefit somehow if replace standard SQL with any special requests, probably even not clear to the person or at all a text type.
Into the account of hangup of a muscle - the first time such I hear, as a rule it "hangs up" because of curve requests and shortage of storage including virtual.
If you do not accept neighbors in the server, buy VPS/VDS - now the prices very much even comprehensible, were practically made even to a spherical hosting, but you receive the full freedom, including a muscle and its analog , with the big resources.
I work in this sphere years 10, there were problems because of an overload of a spherical hosting, change of the operator or more expensive rate solved a problem completely.
Anyway on a rate 60rub/month you do not launch shop with thousand goods and thousand visits a day, and on heavy systems, especially.

With the same success I can make dll under php on VPS/VDS and than from sql on speed will precisely not differ
Into the account of speed generally I told that normal  it as the Swiss knife, like is made for the decision of any task and will start to dig will more deeply come across lockup
When there is a code  and you understand it, always it is possible to optimize as you it is necessary
mysql at all an ideal as well as any another , there much that is not present

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Vladimir Baskakov wrote:

it is passed...
And what functional minimum? Than those that already are, under the Windows, the built in (embeddable) and separate bases do not arrange. With the open code.
For what tasks the minimum functional suffices?
Than under Windows does not suffice ADODB.Recordset and eventually? Not that that I dissuade. Tinkers with it certainly interesting. But! To let out a product interesting to community, on this field - it is the extremely difficult. And so, well good luck, successes.
One of participants of a forum .
https://github.com/Bazist
You of Date already? Or still is not present?

What ?
I hate all that MS lets out
And here it is a question not of the provider and about

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bas02 wrote:

what ?

K.Dejt Introduction in database systems

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Experiments with files come to an end there where there is a necessity
To keep account money or to fix transactions.

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bas02 wrote:

it is passed...
With the same success I can make dll under php on VPS/VDS and than from sql on speed will precisely not differ
Into the account of speed generally I told that normal  it as the Swiss knife, like is made for the decision of any task and will start to dig will more deeply come across lockup
When there is a code  and you understand it, always it is possible to optimize as you it is necessary
mysql at all an ideal as well as any another , there much that is not present

With the same success take the source code of a muscle or its equivalent and optimize under the needs, they are spread in the form of source codes.
Describe a specific problem with a muscle because of which you had a desire to be engaged the in the . You tell all time about problems,  and other malfunctions, without adducing any proof, without a specific example. We will consider that at you average VPS/VDS with sufficient memory size for muscle operation, an average kol-in requests, we tell each 10 seconds the visitor on a site something opens that causes a series of requests in a database.
What problems at you arose, on what data volume and by what SQL requests you did.
Spherical hostings we will not consider, since the operator loads the server on a maximum, kol-in sites there hundreds, and as a rule there rigid restrictions.

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bas02 wrote:

it is passed...
?
?
I do not want to be gray mass

And how you will spread still? Or only itself you will use?

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bas02 wrote:

I hate all that MS lets out
And here it is a question not of the provider and about

The colleague, made Bazist seem basis,  like, and to it also the provider.
As the local doubted it first. Other question that except it it is possible not especially to whom is necessary. But it  made....
To hate tools it is strange, but it's up to you a little, I will not argue....