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alexpb
Well it to any machine is applicable. In the country at me quite 8 on one hundred, and in the winter on corks - all 15 turn out.
Here the question that the author like as is dissatisfied with the expenditure   and wants to change it on the patriot.

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I on old  went, it guzzled 20. At the acquaintance too old, guzzles as much. Passage to an injector though gives saving, but not 50 %, much less. The main expenditure of that the car big, heavy and with the full drive. It is necessary to tell still that the off-road car actually to very few people is necessary, in overwhelming majority of cases the versatile person with the increased road clearance suffices to go on snow and wood roads.
  - at it in pluses allocation of pull of 60/40 % and good reliability if it is not worn too out yet to change on the patriot unreasonably.  is a car of incessant repair, in it always that that is unworkable, since the moment of an output from the pipeline. Me managed year to work on their warranty, it is horror , instead of the car.

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slon

Uaz is a car of incessant repair, in it always that that is unworkable, since the moment of an output from the pipeline.

well not speak "always it is wounded for nothing, but it is never killed":lol:

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veng
Looking aside SKODA YETI
The patriot, Daster, Jeti. In you  smile
it not for impassability of a car. And a circuit changed to see on 1.4TSI CAXA - the most unsuccessful  on .
! Under your requests only  also remains (time  it is direct generally in any way), truth in respect of salon it very much near to  left smile

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Bam Bam Bigelow
Really the patriot guzzles gasoline, than santa-fe less
It is less. That here the surprising? At  weight of two tons, a constant full drive, V6 2.7 automatic machine.
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slon
I on old  went, it guzzled 20.
On how many the old? Can means which 469? So there the engine 402 more stood.
The Main expenditure of that the car big, heavy and with the full drive.
At  a connected full drive, instead of constant. Connected the expenditure influences not strongly.
alexpb
Well not speak "always it is wounded for nothing, but it is never killed"
Lately much changed in this plan to the best.
batal
! Under your requests only  also remains (time  it is direct generally in any way)
And what  a difference? Control of mirrors  transferred from under a bench hammer on a door?
All the same  plastic (but also glossy!), narrowness, absence of ergonomics, small, solid inconvenient seats.
On figs. Looked. Very inconvenient machine. Though also reliable.

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veng
V6 2.7 automatic machine.
At the acquaintance such, 12 on a route.  at me burst in the same mode 15.

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veng :
It is less. That here the surprising? At  weight of two tons, a constant full drive, V6 2.7 automatic machine.

Asyas?  want  to tell, what Feshka is more gluttonous than Patra? Do not make laugh my Iskandery. At Patra in Peter the average city expenditure fluctuates about 20 liters. Plus-minus. Once on a section from city center on the north, in a mode "the first-second" 11 km and almost 3 hours ( corks),  the expenditure for a trip 44 l./100 showed km. Actually it is a mode "lungs ". Patras and fuel saving - things not compatible. As, however and with any all-wheel drive machine having a frame,  and volume a minimum approaching to three liters.
P.S. To tell about V8 4.6 smelling gasoline too it is not necessary.  it in a city 25-30, miracles do not happen.

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veng
At  a connected full drive, instead of constant.
Disputable advantage. As the third acquaintance  - in the winter without full "as a cow on ice" told, and with full the road is held worse, than only by the front. It an UAZ took only on specific  to go, loves on fishing  sand and a dirt to get. It is not necessary for the majority of people, at me the son simply leaves focus in the field and there are to lake of 50 m on foot, but goes on  the car, instead of by a bucket with nuts with  .

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slon
Goes on  the car,
It is focus at normal?:gigi: the normal car begins from 3 million The remaining the compromise. Focus the same bucket with nuts as well as , and soljarisy/kia and other  in the market .

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alexpb
The Normal car begins from 3 million
All rather, we here normal within a lemon consider.
alexpb
, and soljarisy/kia
Not, I too well personally know these, if focus not normal, then these absolutely slag.

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slon :
alexpb
The Normal car begins from 3 million
All rather, we here normal within a lemon consider.

I Understand. Therefore, as it seems to me, to   what to select. Any machine in this price range fulfills the three years put by the vendor, and goes on  on slaughter. Or on a meltdown in the bioreactor.
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slon

Then these absolutely slag.

yes , actually. The minimum vagabond-package "ABS/EBD/ESP/XXX, , , popo - mirrors - heat" is it seems even in the Guelder-rose baraban edition. And what is necessary that bum to carry with minimum comfort?

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alexpb
Any machine in this price range fulfills the three years,
There are nuances. Logan in a taxi fulfills 400 000 with minimum problems and expenses, thus not bad goes. Soljara-rio have a resource less, go worse, it is more than expenses. The UAZ generally from a category of expensive sex machine also goes (on road) absolutely badly.
So if on mind - to take , by a principle of the maximum quality with minimum hemorrhoids. Not on the automatic machine, certainly.
alexpb
What is necessary that bum to carry with minimum comfort?
It is safe to carry a bum the maximum comfort and minimum haemorum within the given budget. A guelder-rose not . Even finished to mind  all the same not , on  abuse, other journalists abuse. In tests it is written that  tens are worse. And ten at me was - it not . At Koreans too very doubtful  and an unsuccessful suspension bracket, them for it abuse.

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slon

There are nuances. Logan in a taxi fulfills 400 000 with minimum problems and expenses, thus not bad goes.

not, well we argue on civil usage of the machine seem?  in taxi park to such used case explicitly does not concern.  spouses in the form of Hyundai for 5 years ate on THAT and z\ch-rashodnikah thousand probably 50. It seems to me of copeck in recalculation in a year, comparable with cost  on young .

So if on mind - to take , by a principle of the maximum quality with minimum hemorrhoids. Not on the automatic machine, certainly.

I Think yes, as city  it quite anything.

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alexpb
As city  it quite anything.
It and for  is quite good. In a city  it is not necessary, from a word generally never, for 35 years of city driving never was necessities. Well, can in Norilsk when it is not removed, but this exception, instead of a rule. In big cities  it is not necessary.

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Under the expenditure. All given averages, on an onboard computer.
2007 16,5 l./100km.
2015 14,0 l./100km.
SFC It is bought in 2012 (release 2008) 18,5 l./100km.
The instant expenditure on a route compared new  and  for the speed of 110 km at the uniform driving without accelerations and decelerations.
10.5 l./100km.
SFC 11.0 l./100km.
On reliability the new UAZ strongly is better old. Strongly.
Under requirements to the machine. Basically the good family car with enough high passableness and spaciousness is necessary.
Unfortunately neither  nor  on the family machine do not pull - inside tight, a luggage carrier well very small. And if at  a back bay still it is possible to name a luggage carrier, at  it well simply glove compartment behind seats. Skoda is rather comfortable (a minus rigid, , a jolty suspension bracket. On a fig such generally do?) that it is impossible to tell about  and . Here as comfort also does not smell. At Oise of comfort it is more, open space to a fig, but all is spoiled again by a rigid suspension bracket.
By the way. According to factory, and from other sources, only less than 10 % of owners  of the Patriot use the car for the regular trips on impassability. The overwhelming majority of these machines are in city maintenance. In the core them buy as family machines. For this money of alternative from new is not present.
I would buy what machines in the presence of means? On "ideality" as the family car.
1 TOYOTAS TLC
2 VOLVOS XC90
3 TOYOTAS HIGHLANDER
4 LR Discovery
5 MITSUBISHIS PAJERO
Adding from 11/16/2016 14:43:
slon
In a city  it is not necessary, from a word generally never
More likely in a city from a word the machine with which ideally  is "never necessary.

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veng
More likely in a city from a word the machine with which ideally  is "never necessary.
I anywhere did not write that the machine is necessary only for a city (and you too), and on a route, especially in  at night and on ice, good  - very important factor of your safety.
your choice: I too would prefer from your lower list, but at me too the budget and too a choice was difficult. But me is easier, I threw off at once unnecessary - , the full drive and left the necessary: the reliable, adequately controlled, volume versatile person with the increased road clearance; to approximately 1,3 lemons such car remained only one and it already justified waitings.
You yet did not understand that it is necessary for you, therefore do not know what to buy. When be defined with priorities - all becomes very simple, the choice will be reduced to one.

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slon
The Guelder-rose not . Even finished to mind  all the same not , on  abuse, other journalists abuse. In tests it is written that  tens are worse.
You at the wheel Guelder-roses or Datsuna personally sat? Journalists such journalists. Yes, not BMW, but it is quite normal. In difference, by the way, from the Patriot.
veng
Oise of comfort is more, open space to a fig
Only this open space unless on a back row. On a place of the driver of open space is not present, at the left a door under the elbow, on the right a tunnel to the knee. At the passenger of a foot not to draw out normally, again a tunnel, well, and regulations of seats not so simply to reach.
Further-again I will repeat-12 liters in a city on the Patriot-fantasy, if it not a diesel engine. You cited the data under the average expenditure-average 14. It means that in a city the expenditure is more than average, and in the country it is less. Fulltajm Santa Fe adds to the expenditure no more than liter, can,  chokes more strongly, after all on Oise press do not press, does not go, unlike..., plus . Well, and as though a difference on horses. Or someone does not finish speaking something.
The mass Oise is more than Santa Fe.
UNDER  everyone understands that wants. On a border, of course, drops in.
Patriots very many buy, as cheap , thinking that it . A fig of the similar. It is a dial-up of accessories which goes.
I would affect-remained to provide a break-even sales level of the Patriot of 0 (zero) that the vendor though about something thought. Other stimulus to do the normal machine is not present.
Instead of salon, bumpers,  tanks, , stabilizators (on the spring bridge, Charles!) it is necessary to make normal not rustling transmission, not from 469 goats which is twice easier also twice less powerful.
The normal motor (which transmission withstands), with normal  configuration.
Normal quality of a painting (or preparation for a painting, or metal not from )
To deliver, at last,  bronze in devil's .
To increase the size of arches (well, it is already silly , do not make)
To make normal drive , instead of a circuit torn on 20-30 thousand of run. If cannot, deliver a belt, at last.
Well, and accessories not from a shit and sticks. It I about hoses, rollers, epiploons, heat sinks, and other all known mucks which spoil reliability and general impression from quite good, in whole, on an idea, machines.
The elementary thing-aerial for radio. And that many years cannot. Owners put who in what is ready.
Then I such both for 1.5, and for 1.7 purchase.
"It is updated for a city"-nahren in a city is necessary? With the bridge ahead, huge, with the dead motor, guzzling as Kruzer with V8 4.7 l, but going, as 1.6 l, on the pen, slow, with a steering ground under impassability. It as the waltzing Schwarzenegger, and is ridiculous, and is sad.
Check, I go 4 years by it. Do not convince itself that it that is necessary. And I simply got used. Also I live out of town, where to the Patriot and a place.
Adding from 11/16/2016 20:55:
sports a normal variant.

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medvezonokumka
You at the wheel Guelder-roses or Datsuna personally sat?
I went by tens, and the guelder-rose according to experts  is worse than ten. About  not further as yesterday on  read that  as is bad, as a guelder-rose. What sense to them to say lies? At them experience is to compare. And if who got used to a guelder-rose and by what decent did not go, it can simply not have adequate comparing and is erratic think that a guelder-rose  is normal. It as the fact instead of as a dirt to water. While the guelder-rose cost not much, to it much forgave, but now the price passed for a half-lemon (526 at all  the complete set, without , in salon stood) and  lacks should be corrected.
About  all is true also this list of jambs it is possible to add.

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does not differ love to not Japanese car industry. I much by what went at the wheel, not always, certainly long. I can tell that the Guelder-rose of 2015 at me normal. Well, and, time you in the new did not sit... It not sarcasm, and a wish to try, most. Without listening singing  to Rabinovichs.

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slon
At everyone the . To me the full drive, to you controllability is important. I in a soya time went by Volga, and found it quite well  machine smile
medvezonokumka
I will tell to YOU as the owner of two (2007 and 2015) .
Not rustling transmission, not from 469 goats
Transmission 469 (classical "goat") and  the Patriot has no general elements. The only thing that coincided partially, it till 2013 .
The Normal motor (which transmission withstands), with normal  configuration.
Podkapotnaja configuration, namely the considerable shift of the motor aggregate in salon speaks support . At all present off-road cars the motor is strongly drifted in salon. The new motor promise. But consider, normal motors they, , expensive.
Normal quality of a painting (or preparation for a painting, or metal not from )
Already made, truth only since 2014. While normally to keep. My the first kept three years, and blossomed further.
To Make normal drive , instead of a circuit torn on 20-30 thousand of run. If cannot, deliver a belt, at last.
Belt-gavno. The first version of an uniserial circuit put less year. Then a construction changed. Already it is not torn.
To Deliver, at last,  bronze in devil's .
? At me at the first patriot  80000 km departed. (By the way, on  the spherical walk 50000, and I on it before  and  brake!) simply started to service itself, it is accurate under the instruction (2 sheets of the text, by the way!) with control of the moment of an inhaling by dynamometer keys and all remaining.
Guzzling as Kruzer with V8 4.7
I am afraid that badly imagine appetite TLC in the given complete set smile
Well, and accessories not from a shit and sticks.
When we bought in 2015 new , I very much was surprised, quality of accessories in comparison with the first how much changed. Seriously! Very noticeably!
I look at the market as a whole, and I understand that in an accessible price range to change that especially there is nothing.:weep:
Here on Friday a pursuit on service on purpose to clarify, "and that it its box had a thoughtfulness?", and  generator bearings should change Saturday. Changeover of levers of a back suspension bracket, back  and lobbies  while I will postpone - still  stretch. Explicit knock is not present, well and is fine.
P.S. That that I look aside , but, a pancake, DSG6 which walks about 100000 km...

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veng
That that I look aside ,
So it small, and on salon and a luggage carrier, consider, no.  short-lived,  too. But the machine pleasant to carry a bum, no more than two, if with luggage. And not a lemon it.
You were defined: . Let to you carries also new it appears good.

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slon
In  a counter in fit - at it a high roof and  fit both in front, and behind.

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veng
In  a counter in fit - at it a high roof and  fit both in front, and behind.
At me the fusion - "" fit ideal was same, it was possible to go hours without weariness. And  it is excellent. Climbed on snow there where  could not pass. Changed, because a small luggage carrier, as at .

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By the way, Kaptjur - a unique car which at the very least gets to the budget, and leaves trousers pure smile For the threshold is covered by a door ...

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Remington12
it is quite good, but big front  and again a small luggage carrier. The person wanted the big car and was specific wrote that  the small.  it is even less (a luggage carrier and a place for back passengers).