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Topic: Distances in the project

There was a person with the project on an ancient platform. Its project closed. Now we do the new project - distances in its command. The dude difficult in dialogue and difficult trained. PICK open something it can perfectly, and something to do new - slowly and crookedly. The heads not especially technical also say that it is necessary to it to find something. There was an idea to give the most difficult things that the manual understood that the dude does not pull generally, but such variant is pernicious, as I then should alter behind it. Here I think whether tests to allow to it to write, whether to give the least critical things in the project. What tell?

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P> the Dude difficult in dialogue and difficult trained. PICK open something it can perfectly, and something to do new - slowly and crookedly. P> here I think whether tests to allow to it to write, whether to give the least critical things in the project. The new project is connected to the old? Whether it is possible to use it as the expert - . A spacer between programmers and business? Functional testing + any trifles. And so - a difficult subject. Sometimes though and it is difficult, but it is better to explain to a manual a situation. Or can talk with the person frankly.

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Hello, peer, you wrote: P> the Dude difficult in dialogue and difficult trained. PICK open something it can perfectly, and something to do new - slowly and crookedly. Need something to pick open periodically arises, and it is far not everyone can well consult with such operation. P> there was an idea to give the most difficult things that the manual understood that the dude does not pull generally, but such variant is pernicious, as I then should alter behind it. You to it still coffee spill in the keypad when it is not present. Also write  to the heads that all people as people, and it exhausts on three keypads in a month. P> here I think whether tests to allow to it to write, whether to give the least critical things in the project. P> that tell? Instead of trying to exhaust the dude, it would be better to select to it such operation from which it consults. As it possesses rare enough ability .

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Hello, peer, you wrote: P> There was a person with the project on an ancient platform. Its project closed. P> the new project - distances in its command is now done. P> the dude difficult in dialogue and difficult trained. PICK open something it can perfectly, and something to do new - slowly and crookedly. P> the heads not especially technical also say that it is necessary to it to find something. P> there was an idea to give the most difficult things that the manual understood that the dude does not pull generally, but such variant is pernicious, as I then should alter behind it. P> Here I think whether tests to allow to it to write, whether to give the least critical things in the project. P> that tell? It is possible bugs . To pick open it after all means to understand that wrote others?

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Hello, sr_dev, you wrote: _> Hello, peer, you wrote: P>> There was a person with the project on an ancient platform. Its project closed. P>> the new project - distances in its command is now done. P>> the dude difficult in dialogue and difficult trained. PICK open something it can perfectly, and something to do new - slowly and crookedly. P>> the heads not especially technical also say that it is necessary to it to find something. P>> there was an idea to give the most difficult things that the manual understood that the dude does not pull generally, but such variant is pernicious, as I then should alter behind it. P>> Here I think whether tests to allow to it to write, whether to give the least critical things in the project. P>> that tell? _> it is possible bugs . To pick open it after all means to understand that wrote others? A bug it is possible  as crookedly as well as to write the new code. Year of curve fixing - receive a piece of a shit with macaroni inside.

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Hello, peer, you wrote: I Will tell that it is not necessary to forget that the programmer -  first of all the engineer, instead of  on H.Vsemu's technology it is possible learns and it is clear that for  time is necessary for the person. Idea with tests the good. I would advise to make to it the list of that it is necessary to read. Also to lead the code '. After a while he or understands your technology  and approach Y, or leaves.

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Hello, Pzz, you wrote: Pzz> Hello, peer, you wrote: P>> There was an idea to give the most difficult things that the manual understood that the dude does not pull generally, but such variant is pernicious, as I then should alter behind it. Pzz> you to it still coffee spill in the keypad when it is not present. Also write  to the heads that all people as people, and it exhausts on three keypads in a month. When this person valuably includes as  the programmer  level it is normal response to object a manual that is necessary real . P>> Here I think whether tests to allow to it to write, whether to give the least critical things in the project. P>> that tell? Pzz> instead of trying to exhaust the dude, it would be better to select to it such operation from which it consults. As it possesses rare enough ability . Oh, yes it is fine  this all programmers do time from time for new systems. After  it is torn to correct itself, but here the most difficult - to explain that another who is more skilled will correct. At it owing to experience in difficult systems it corrects in one place - breaks in two others

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Hello, peer, you wrote: P>>> There was an idea to give the most difficult things that the manual understood that the dude does not pull generally, but such variant is pernicious, as I then should alter behind it. Pzz>> you to it still coffee spill in the keypad when it is not present. Also write  to the heads that all people as people, and it exhausts on three keypads in a month. P> when this person valuably includes as  the programmer  level it is normal response to object a manual that is necessary real . But you specially want to give it the job with which it does not consult that it to substitute. I.e., above  level. P> oh, yes it is fine  this all programmers do time from time for new systems. P> after  it is torn to correct itself, but here the most difficult - to explain that another who is more skilled will correct. P> at it owing to experience in difficult systems it corrects in one place - breaks in two others At me there was a colleague who was completely not able to program (and if suddenly it had to do it it did it so that would not do is better). But it could quickly and in predicted period to get to the bottom of the reason of any problem. And that is especially valuable, the project was hardware-software, and it could understand and an iron problem, and in . Sometimes climbed itself to correct, from it at programmers and  hair on end rose. It was extraordinary valuable employee in this project, seriously. This your colleague too such can, is simple you prepare it be not able?

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Hello, swame, you wrote: S> the Bug it is possible  as crookedly as well as to write the new code. Year of curve fixing - receive a piece of a shit with macaroni inside. Sometimes to get to the bottom of the bug reason on the order it is more difficult, than, actually, it to correct, when the reason is already known.

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P> That tell? In what a question? What exactly is not pleasant to you? Talk to the person, clarify that to it ** would be to make. Interest - the strongest .

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Hello, SkyDance, you wrote: SD> Talk to the person, clarify that to it ** would be to make. Interest - the strongest . And if it is interesting to it for example, would be to open the little shop of spices, and as the programmer works, that a family to feed, ? Only the unconditional income saves this rotted through world (

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Employ the student who will finish its code under your standards and all. The person will be engaged in that at it it turns out and to produce a crude PoC-code, the student will reprint it as at you there it would be desirable also all. It provided that at you is such tasks, certainly. If at you continuous  - here already it is necessary to look, whether it is necessary to it such. If it is necessary - discuss with it the plan for development, so to say, formulate specific claims to its code, the first years lead more often code review, I think, the person gradually adapts to you.

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bnk> And if it is interesting to it for example, would be to open the little shop of spices, and as the programmer works, that a family to feed, ? If he so  that cannot even select the interesting task with it already it is necessary to go to management.

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Hello, Pzz, you wrote: Pzz> Hello, peer, you wrote: P>>>> There was an idea to give the most difficult things that the manual understood that the dude does not pull generally, but such variant is pernicious, as I then should alter behind it. Pzz>>> you to it still coffee spill in the keypad when it is not present. Also write  to the heads that all people as people, and it exhausts on three keypads in a month. P>> when this person valuably includes as  the programmer  level it is normal response to object a manual that is necessary real . Pzz> But you specially want to give it the job with which it does not consult that it to substitute. I.e., above  level. No. Consults - I mean it underestimated. I do not want to do double operation and to receive on a neck for quality. But better really to give it  operations. And how generally suggest a manual to inform, what the person not that level which thinks hands-in? P>> Oh, yes it is fine  this all programmers do time from time for new systems. P>> after  it is torn to correct itself, but here the most difficult - to explain that another who is more skilled will correct. P>> at it owing to experience in difficult systems it corrects in one place - breaks in two others Pzz> At me there was a colleague who was completely not able to program (and if suddenly it had to do it it did it so that would not do is better). But it could quickly and in predicted period to get to the bottom of the reason of any problem. And that is especially valuable, the project was hardware-software, and it could understand and an iron problem, and in . Sometimes climbed itself to correct, from it at programmers and  hair on end rose. Pzz> it was extraordinary valuable employee in this project, seriously. Pzz> this your colleague too such can, is simple you prepare it be not able? For  it is valuable that all can . For business on the contrary since from the point of view of development nobody is happy with quality of its operation. The manual knows about judgement of business