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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> Though one find, where it would be possible to change the terminations/add of a particle and to receive a certain sentence with sense? Your example shows the full hopelessness of the approach. You try to construct the full sentence in a single step. So you will not have not enough any computing powers. The correct variant - such: 1. We begin with sentences from two words. Their only 10^8. 2. We select from them 10000 of the most intelligent. 3. We start to combine sentences, casually selecting combinations like splice, insertions in the middle, and word ejections. At us approximately 10^8 variants again turn out. 4. We select from them 10000 of the most intelligent. 5. On each step the average length of a sentence at us will grow on one and a half words. In total for 6 steps, on 10^8 variants on everyone, we receive intelligent sentences of 10 words and more.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> If 30 MB 10^9030899 variants turn out. Even if variants with sense of trillion trillions there is a minimum of 10^9030800 variants of search of different mutations it was necessary to make. Outside of possibilities of abilities of our Universe. The Universe even to sort out 100 byte of a hash not in forces. No, it is not necessary. Already ten persons fifty times explained to you, how creation  actually works. It not password guessing is linear, instead of exponential process. Biologists, looking on  two organisms, can estimate not bad how much for a long time they had a general ancestor. Because speed of modification (an amount of bits in unit of time) is approximately constant.

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Hello, D. Mon, you wrote: DM> In octal system 8*8=100. In octal system there is no digit 8.

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Hello, Ops, you wrote: DM>> In octal system 8*8=100. Ops> In octal system there is no digit 8. And truth.

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Hello, Sinclair, you wrote: S> the Correct variant - such: S> 1. We begin with sentences from two words. Their only 10^8. So. S> 2. We select from them 10000 of the most intelligent. Why 10000? The Same only 0.01 % the Combination from two words almost always can be a part of the intelligent text, with rare exception. S> 3. We start to combine sentences, casually selecting combinations like splice, insertions in the middle, and word ejections. At us approximately 10^8 variants again turn out. S> 4. We select from them 10000 of the most intelligent. S> 5. On each step the average length of a sentence at us will grow on one and a half words. In total for 6 steps, on 10^8 variants on everyone, we receive intelligent sentences of 10 words and more. And where the warranty that yours 10^8 sentences which you received in the end, suffices for a combination in the intelligent text of the book?

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote:> How many percent of all possible texts make sense? The question is similar to modeling at Lem ("information cultivation"): we have a gas in volume in which chaotically flies N molecules which for some time build binary configurations containing: verses it is better Shakespearean, it is better than the formula Einstein and so forth and so forth it is shown that in view of absence of the filter catching these verses and the formulas from trillions not informative , this method is hopeless. Here, for example, the text of the patient  with : Was born in the street Herzen. In an epicure No 22. The known economist. On the calling the librarian. In the people - the collective farmer. In shop - the seller. In economy, so to say, it is necessary. It, so to say, system ...  ... as a part of 120 units. Photograph Murmansk peninsula - and receive te-le-fun-ken. And the bookkeeper works on other line. On a line "Library". Because not air will be, and the academician will be! Well here it is possible to photograph Murmansk peninsula. It is possible to become the air expert. It is possible to become an air planet. Also will be assured that this planet accept under the textbook. Means, on favor of physics one planet goes. Obviously, each sentence makes sense... Or has no? Therefore as at  - the speech structure formally is not broken, grammar errors are not present, but sentences do not carry any sense. There is a question - whether to consider sentences above as comprehended or not? Besides. If at us 10 words in a sentence, and sentence parts roughly telling 3: subject (a noun, a pronoun), (a noun an adjective a pronoun a pretext) that is absolutely exact formulas of an amount of combinations of a C (m, n) which it is possible to make a predicate (verb), addition of 10 000 words. And all of them will be comprehended, but hardly  to carry any information:" It  by the Milky Way "" She was born in the street Flower "" It there were "In any  all these a phrase  comprehended, and in any are not present. But they are generated on one template! So to consider them or not?

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Hello, Wolverrum, you wrote: W> it is obvious, each sentence makes sense... Or has no? Therefore as at  - the speech structure formally is not broken, grammar errors are not present, but sentences do not carry any sense. The sentence has, and here the text is not present. It is necessary still correctly  sentences. W> there is a question - whether to consider sentences above as comprehended or not? The text entirely - is not present. W> Besides. If at us 10 words in a sentence, and sentence parts roughly telling 3: subject (a noun, a pronoun), (a noun an adjective a pronoun a pretext) that is absolutely exact formulas of an amount of combinations of a C (m, n) which it is possible to make a predicate (verb), addition of 10 000 words. And all of them will be comprehended, but hardly  to carry any information: W> "It  by the Milky Way" W> "She was born in the street Flower" W> "It there was" Generally a final analysis of calculations - an amount of not intelligent sentences and intelligent texts in the size, say,  100 thousand words. Sentences should . W> In any  all these a phrase  comprehended, and in any are not present. But they are generated on one template! So to consider them or not? As a sentence - to consider comprehended. Further to consider probability to collect the intelligent text.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> Hello, Sinclair, you wrote: S>> the Correct variant - such: S>> 1. We begin with sentences from two words. Their only 10^8. S> So. S>> 2. We select from them 10000 of the most intelligent. S> why 10000? The Same only 0.01 % the Combination from two words almost always can be a part of the intelligent text, with rare exception. Because so evolution works. The size of population is restricted. All insufficiently good leave, even if they and not absolutely bad. S>> 3. We start to combine sentences, casually selecting combinations like splice, insertions in the middle, and word ejections. At us approximately 10^8 variants again turn out. S>> 4. We select from them 10000 of the most intelligent. S>> 5. On each step the average length of a sentence at us will grow on one and a half words. In total for 6 steps, on 10^8 variants on everyone, we receive intelligent sentences of 10 words and more. S> And where a warranty that yours 10^8 sentences which you received in the end, suffices for a combination in the intelligent text of the book? I do not understand here this passage. I showed to you, how for 6 steps (instead of for  as at you) the intelligent sentence in 10 words turns out. We thus receive ten sentences for 60 steps. And further all proceeds linearly, exponential explosion is not present.

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Hello, D. Mon, you wrote: DM> For each word W what its probability of appearance after word A? DM> For each word W what its probability of appearance after pair words A B? A network of Markova?

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Hello, Sinclair, you wrote: S>> Why 10000? The Same only 0.01 % the Combination from two words almost always can be a part of the intelligent text, with rare exception. S> because so evolution works. The size of population is restricted. All insufficiently good leave, even if they and not absolutely bad. A question about specific 10 thousand Why not 1 million from 100 million variants you took? S>> and where a warranty that yours 10^8 sentences which you received in the end, suffices for a combination in the intelligent text of the book? S> I do not understand here this passage. I showed to you, how for 6 steps (instead of for  as at you) the intelligent sentence in 10 words turns out. S> we thus receive ten sentences for 60 steps. And further all proceeds linearly, exponential explosion is not present. Look in what an error. You took 10 thousand variants. Made up, admit fairly. Did not understand. What if to take not 10 thousand and 1 thousand? Something in essence changes? And if not 1 thousand and 100? Where boundary after which the offered circuit of selection ceases to work? If you start not with ceiling to take digits and try to calculate them (at least with application  methods) see that for such search it is necessary to leave not 0.01 % and practically all (is closer to 90 %) the received combinations. In the same case too many variants for search turn out.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> the Sentence has, and here the text is not present. Why is not present? For someone (for the author?) it can build quite intelligent chain of images. Approximately as patterns of some artists, someone them recognizes as masterpieces, and in my opinion - senseless shit.

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Hello, Sinclair, you wrote: S> Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S>> If 30 MB 10^9030899 variants turn out. Even if variants with sense of trillion trillions there is a minimum of 10^9030800 variants of search of different mutations it was necessary to make. Outside of possibilities of abilities of our Universe. The Universe even to sort out 100 byte of a hash not in forces. S> is not present, it is not necessary. Already ten persons fifty times explained to you, how creation  actually works. It not password guessing is linear, instead of exponential process. S> biologists, looking on  two organisms, can estimate not bad how much for a long time they had a general ancestor. S> because speed of modification (an amount of bits in unit of time) is approximately constant. It is possible also the password as analog to result. But it is such password at which submission there is a vulnerability on the first correct characters. PS. And generally, the dude, certainly persistent. Would be not present at once to tell that  its this everything, and in evolution he "DOES NOT TRUST". So is not present, so much bypass ways to search.

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