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Hello, MTD, you wrote: CS>> that above I wrote That application for three months, and for how many you wrote the? MTD> you though itself understand what bosh carry? Write at first analog  then we compare time. On  I will write your application for 2 weeks, only how to check up, to me any hand-made articles to write when for them do not pay laziness. Concerning analog : FreeConferenceCall https://www.freeconferencecall.com/global/ca/features it is pure Sciter UI, communicator, messaging, video, screen sharing: 6.6 Mb.

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Hello, c-smile, you wrote: CS> Is not present there "". At me here all client zoo : https://sciter.com/#customers Well so repair, that at users it was launched without  from Windows. , e eat.

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AG> a) Pure WinForms; AG> b) Pure WPF; AG> c) DeveloperExpress.NET libraries on WinForms; AG> d) DeveloperExpress.NET libraries on WPF. And and - are not considered basically  and  - as a variant. On  there are other fish in the sea, there are also others R>> - creation API on a C ++ CLI for development  on  - easier than it seems in beginning AG> What for if is C#? Then that existence of enough big code base on with ++ which rewriting on  - marasmus from the economic point of view And it somehow it is necessary to connect with UI on  is meant. From variants DllImport|ComInterop|C ++ CLI. Last, in my opinion, the most sensible

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Hello, c-smile, you wrote: CS> FreeConferenceCall https://www.freeconferencecall.com/global/ca/features there are enough hand-made articles for today, I will sleep badly. CS> it is pure Sciter UI, communicator, messaging, video, screen sharing: 6.6 Mb. You to a campaign stuck in 2004 (on  which you do, it is by the way noticeable) - all to a bulb 6 or 106, I so I understand it what more to be measured there is nothing, all remaining in a minus?

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Hello, c-smile, you wrote: CS> Here only a fable to me do not tell. They began still with htmlayout there is remembered. Then on Sciter passed. More shortly, clarified at colleagues, there was any ancient version, then rewrote from zero on Qt. But in vain you about it started talking (, what for to leave with marvelous ?).

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Hello, Pzz, you wrote: Pzz> Hello, rumit7, you wrote: R>>>> what for to drag? Pzz>>> and who HTML will be ? R>> Sciter (earlier HTMLayout) - built in  engine Pzz> that it built in, does not mean that he should not be dragged with itself(himself). There to dll steam of Mb is as and is sciter and your application as there will be "web-brovser" and it is not necessary "to depend from preinstalled, it is not known what and it is not known, what version"

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Hello, MTD, you wrote: MTD> Hello, c-smile, you wrote: CS>> Is not present there "". At me here all client zoo : https://sciter.com/#customers MTD> Well so repair, that at users it was launched without  from Windows. , e eat. For a long time I was not engaged in creation of distributions, yes. Forgot to sign itself . You can try once again, well or from.zip to launch. There notes.exe it is signed. http://notes.sciter.com/downloads/

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Hello, MTD, you wrote: MTD> Hello, c-smile, you wrote: CS>> Here only a fable to me do not tell. They began still with htmlayout there is remembered. Then on Sciter passed. MTD> is shorter, clarified at colleagues, there was any ancient version, then rewrote from zero on Qt. But in vain you about it started talking (, what for to leave with marvelous ?). There here it was recalled there was at them a problem with integration sciter as child window - the architecture was ancient windowed initially. I it suggested to remove child windows generally and to make all on sciter. Did not want to alter. But as a result all the same altered on Qt +  megabytes on top. But the steam locomotive already left - too late - much others in this time arose.

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Hello, c-smile, you wrote: CS> Forgot to sign itself . You can try once again, well or from.zip to launch. There notes.exe it is signed. I not malicious both as person and as I you very much respect the expert that you do very abruptly, you are simple normally you run with a draft  is at once causes reverse response. Personally I from passage on Sciter now a profit do not see generally, me Qt generally arranges (arguments about the size at all do not use - ridiculously, the word of honor), for someone can be there will be continuous pluses - welcome.

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Hello, MTD, you wrote: MTD> Hello, c-smile, you wrote: CS>> FreeConferenceCall https://www.freeconferencecall.com/global/ca/features MTD> there are enough hand-made articles for today, I will sleep badly. Well sleep easily dear companion, and let to you to act in film erotic dreams about slot and the friend  signal... Do not get into the head - all of you do correctly - that dinosaur should be rewritten for a long time. In Qt so Qt, all not in the Electron what forgive . Though judging by the size of distribution you there WebKit all the same have been forced to thrust. Without HTML anywhere now, yes. By the way, download icq setup, those 46 mb from me occupied 4 minutes. To me somehow principal UX  from software office from a top 100 told that on their researches the user makes the decision about product usage for the first 40 seconds beginning from click on download. And the first screen that appears - crucial. At you 4 minutes of boring waiting and in the end the empty form "Enter the phone number". Generally without explanations... And further does not start up. Took down  this impudence at once. What for messemger' my phone number? Which at me personally by the way generally is not present.

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Hello, MTD, you wrote: MTD> Personally I from passage on Sciter now a profit do not see generally So I like anywhere you did not urge - to throw Qt and to pass on Sciter. Simply in vain to me did not listen one year ago - really it would turn out faster. Sciter certainly it is not ideal, but for the given task differently it is better Qt it is represented. HTML (well or there its similarity richtext) all the same needs to be drawn. Here an example "RnQ Small " from Mikanoshi Kimemoshito, as I understood the Russian Japanese. It Delphi and Sciter UI in it: MTD> (arguments about the size at all do not use - ridiculously, the word of honor) Mulechku about that that the size is not important I heard... On reddit any subject about Electron or Atom...

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Hello, c-smile, you wrote: CS> Well sleep easily dear companion, and let to you to act in film erotic dreams about slot and the friend  signal... And what for a problem with slots and signals? Purely curiously, what alternative? std:: function? CS> though judging by the size of distribution you there WebKit all the same have been forced to thrust. Without HTML anywhere now, yes. No, WebKit is not present. But another suffices everyone, one ffmpeg with codecs how many weighs. CS> by the way, download icq setup, those 46 mb from me occupied 4 minutes. The bad Internet at you, at me seconds 10 from the house. You  at me was swung twice longer, by the way. CS> To me somehow principal UX  from software office from a top 100 told that on their researches the user makes the decision about product usage for the first 40 seconds beginning from click on download. There it is a lot of subtleties, upon all the most popular messengers not small - viber 80 mb, slack 60 mb, skype too about because really much that it is necessary to pull, and I will repeat, the Internet now not that 20 years ago, nobody is soared. CS> and the first screen that appears - crucial. Yes, but it already to . CS> At you 4 minutes of boring waiting and in the end the empty form "Enter the phone number". Generally without explanations... And further does not start up. Took down  this impudence at once. What for messemger' my phone number? Which at me personally by the way generally is not present. Now all messengers and all sites want phone number, all want to know about you all. In Russia generally, by the way, under the law messengers should use phone of the client for an input, in as.

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Hello, rm822, you wrote: R> and and - are not considered basically +100500 R>  and  - as a variant. On  there are other fish in the sea, there are also others DeveloperExpress is one of the best dop-libraries for.NET. Is as well ComponentOne, but it  is more feeble. R>>> - creation API on a C ++ CLI for development  on  - easier than seems in beginning AG>> What for if is C#? R> then that existence of enough big code base on with ++ which rewriting on  - marasmus from economic point of view R> And it somehow it is necessary to connect with UI on  is meant. From variants DllImport|ComInterop|C ++ CLI. Last, in my opinion, the most sensible Code base on a C ++ - on  the C ++ ( goes through DllImport|ComInterop) - possesses huge : - works  the code,  it is fulfilled much faster. So, on my old place of operation we did application on.NET NET (C#) which produced Fourier the analysis for approximately five hundred harmonics of the digitized signal. One cycle of the analysis on.NET (C#) occupied nearby 200 ms. Its rewriting on  a C ++ (in separate DLL - then it is done DllImport) provided a cycle with duration 4 ms (ON THOM the equipment)!!! The last variant (a C ++ CLI) is a join of lacks of two approaches: 1) the Code on the equipment is fulfilled slowly as system.NET environment works CLR. 2) the programmer, than so is famous C# (VB, Java), also it it is not possible to reach speed of a spelling of the code (all the same it is the C ++). P.S. Personally I like to squeeze out of the equipment everything, on what it is capable, therefore ( on experience C# development) I select  a C ++

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Hello, c-smile, you wrote: Pzz>> With logic there is no problem. We, I suppose, nevertheless now is faster about a drawing we speak. CS> and with a drawing that? Draws eventually GPU. HTML this tree DOM of elements + the bound dial-up of objects on side GPU which are drawn when it is necessary. CS> when you receive Times WM_PAINT and in it execute the code by filling  (primitive rasterizing) already left. CS> 300 dpi retina monitor and old 96 dpi the monitor is two big differences - suddenly pixels in 9 became times more. CPU drawing - . To me  who draws, GPU, CPU or the water easel. I say that HTML - very inconvenient tool to describe a beautiful picture. Not that on it it was impossible to make it, but is inconvenient. Approximately, as cowards through a head to put on, well can hardly is easier. CS> convenience is a thing especially subjective. What for you personally to eat "conveniently"? When it is not necessary  to describe everyone the heap of words spread on a heap of files.

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Hello, Pzz, you wrote: Pzz> To me  who draws, GPU, CPU or the water easel. I say that HTML - very inconvenient tool to describe a beautiful picture. Not that on it it was impossible to make it, but is inconvenient. Approximately, as cowards through a head to put on, well can hardly is easier. Well and me for example is much easier on  to describe, than on  to try same to repeat. At everyone the experience.

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Hello, c-smile, you wrote: CS> Hello, MTD, you wrote: MTD>> Hello, c-smile, you wrote: CS>>> FreeConferenceCall https://www.freeconferencecall.com/global/ca/features MTD>> there are enough hand-made articles for today, I will sleep badly. CS> well sleep easily dear companion, and let to you to act in film erotic dreams about slot and the friend  signal... Well, to Qt 5 it was impossible to use the compiler for correspondence check signal/slot, even I wrote "": https://reviews.llvm.org/D14592 for this purpose. But now yes it works in compile time, while:/tmp/bin.gtk $./notes Error: storage error:Failed to create database file at openDatabase (this://app/db/db.tis (18)) at undefined (this://app/db/db.tis (43)) Error: (undefined) has no method - getBookItemsCount at BooksView.attached (this://app/books-view.tis (5)) Error: (undefined) has no method - selectTags at TagsTree.attached.eachRoot (this://app/tags-view.tis (37)) at VirtualTree.reset (this://app/libs/vtree.tis (112)) at VirtualTree (this://app/libs/vtree.tis (122)) at TagsTree.attached (this://app/tags-view.tis (74)) Error: (undefined) has no method - selectTags at TagsTree.attached.eachRoot (this://app/tags-view.tis (37)) at VirtualTree.reset (this://app/libs/vtree.tis (112)) at VirtualTree (this://app/libs/vtree.tis (122)) at TagsTree.attached (this://app/tags-view.tis (74)) Error: Wrong type - undefined, expected instance of function at List.attached (this://app/notes-view.tis (15)) Error: (undefined) has no method - getBooks at NoteView.populateBooks (this://app/note-view.tis (95)) at NoteView.attached (this://app/note-view.tis (63)) Error: Variable not found - currentNote at NoteView.showNote (this://app/note-view.tis (84)) at (this://app/note-view.tis (29)) Error: (null) has no method - indexOf at VirtualList. 493@34 (this://app/libs/vlist.tis (496)) It is a program broad gull notes, launched also pair of buttons pushed. In it generally something in compile process is checked, presence of methods, signals, properties?

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Hello, MTD, you wrote: MTD> Hello, c-smile, you wrote: CS>> Well sleep easily dear companion, and let to you to act in film erotic dreams about slot and the friend  signal... MTD> And what for a problem with slots and signals? Purely curiously, what alternative? std:: function? Alternatives... Them is. For example sinking/bubbling event propagation schema in DOM: https://javascript.info/bubbling-and-capturing At such circuit slot/signal are not necessary - containers receive events of the children free of charge. I.e. without any additional infrastructure. The circuit easy and fast. CS>> though judging by the size of distribution you there WebKit all the same have been forced to thrust. Without HTML anywhere now, yes. MTD> Is not present, WebKit is not present. But another suffices everyone, one ffmpeg with codecs how many weighs. And here what for to me ffmpeg for a text chat? Normally such things load on demand. CS>> By the way, download icq setup, those 46 mb from me occupied 4 minutes. MTD> the bad Internet at you, at me seconds 10 from the house. You  at me was swung twice longer, by the way. If 50 mbit the channel of bad then it bad at all Canada. Here it is real only two cable providers. I.e. for all Canada icq it is eliminated or how? It I to that that the size it is important. Even at mbit channels. About toys we do not speak - there people expect that will be swung much and about that that they want to download they foreknow. CS>> And the first screen that appears - crucial. MTD> Yes, but it already to . This mine  on your remarks (which are valid). CS>> At you 4 minutes of boring waiting and in the end the empty form "Enter the phone number". Generally without explanations... And further does not start up. Took down  this impudence at once. What for messemger' my phone number? Which at me personally by the way generally is not present. MTD> Now all messengers and all sites want phone number, all want to know about you all. In Russia generally, by the way, under the law messengers should use phone of the client for an input, in as. Well means icq only for Russia. It only in Russia phone number = the person. In Canada, and in Europe it is far Australia not so. There is in a family one emergency mobile and suffices. Anyway on that screen it is necessary to explain what for to it to "a program complex" (if to judge on the size) phone of the person in the presence of the channel in the Internet is necessary. At you not communication by phone eventually? Lines s that it is possible to think...

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Hello, Pzz, you wrote: Pzz> To me  who draws, GPU, CPU or the water easel. I say that HTML - very inconvenient tool to describe a beautiful picture. Not that on it it was impossible to make it, but is inconvenient. Approximately, as cowards through a head to put on, well can hardly is easier. Many things to us are not clear not because our concepts are feeble; but because these things do not enter into a circle of our concepts. / Kozma Prutkov CS>> Convenience is a thing especially subjective. What for you personally to eat "conveniently"? Pzz> When it is not necessary  to describe everyone the heap of words spread on a heap of files. And when it is necessary to change we tell a basic font for all UI you as it you do? I - change single line. And you?

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Hello, Zhendos, you wrote: Z> Well, to Qt 5 it was impossible to use the compiler for correspondence check signal/slot, Z> even I wrote "": https://reviews.llvm.org/D14592 for this purpose. Yes  actually. At first we create system in which it is possible to build cyclical event dispatching columns, and then the code of struggle against it. All at business. Z> Z>/tmp/bin.gtk $./notes Z> Error: storage error:Failed to create database file Z> at openDatabase (this://app/db/db.tis (18)) Z> at undefined (this://app/db/db.tis (43)) Z>... Z> Here hurt. At you that it is forbidden to user to create files in the Documents a folder? It is closed for record? But it is really finite I left unfinished - it is necessary to process and tell somehow such cases to the user words about a problem. Anyway the code fulfilled regularly and anything at you by the machine did not break and under hanging links wrote down nothing. Z> it is a program broad gull notes, launched also pair of buttons pushed. Z> In it generally something in compile process is checked, Z> presence of methods, signals, properties? There are no there signals. But is not deduced in UI exception. Boom to repair.

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Hello, XOOIOOX, you wrote: XOO> Hello, Vicul, you wrote: V>> Who what uses? XOO> besides ubiquitous  Qt and considered Stsitera (only today from this subject about it learned), there is still Dzhus: https://www.juce.com XOO> But it  and, in comparison with Qt,  by possibilities. https://www.howtopronounce.com/sciter/

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Hello, c-smile, you wrote: CS> Alternatives... Them is. For example sinking/bubbling event propagation schema in DOM: https://javascript.info/bubbling-and-capturing CS> At such circuit slot/signal are not necessary - containers receive events of the children free of charge. I.e. without any additional infrastructure. CS> the circuit easy and fast. It is one small special case, instead of alternative. At signal/slot there are no essential lacks except ideological for some fundamentalists. CS> and here what for to me ffmpeg for a text chat? Normally such things load on demand. You precisely stuck in 2003. Now all messengers play back media a content is a basic minimum. By the way, there is a specificity in the Arabian countries and Asia - there generally the text communicate a little, send audio and video files more. CS> if 50 mbit the channel of bad then it bad at all Canada. Here it is real only two cable providers. CS> I.e. for all Canada icq it is eliminated or how? As soon as in Canada there are enough users, there there and then deliver the server are a question to those who strategy are engaged. And you  is eliminated for Russia? That is loaded it at me longer . CS> It I to that that the size it is important. Even at mbit channels. It is not important. At you out-of-date representations, as that the messenger is a text chat. CS> about toys we do not speak - there people expect that will be swung much and about that that they want to download they foreknow. About games you too are not right. You buy game in , you swing 20 Gigov, you launch, and she speaks "there is an update" and swings 10 more. CS> Well means icq only for Russia. It only in Russia phone number = the person. In Canada, and in Europe it is far Australia not so. There is in a family one emergency mobile and suffices. Phones even at dogs already are. You generally tell any game, try now on the Internet a mail box to get without phone number, you are waited by discovery.

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Hello, c-smile, you wrote: CS> And when it is necessary to change we tell a basic font for all UI you as it you do? CS> I - change single line. And you? On Qt imagine too! Open for yourself http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/stylesheet-syntax.html, truth is suspicion that when you at last will cease as many here   about Qt and will learn it you will burst into tears and will throw out the creation

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Hello, c-smile, you wrote: CS> Hello, Zhendos, you wrote: Z>> Well, to Qt 5 it was impossible to use the compiler for correspondence check signal/slot, Z>> even I wrote "": https://reviews.llvm.org/D14592 for this purpose. CS> yes  actually. At first we create system in which it is possible to build cyclical event dispatching columns, and then the code of struggle against it. CS> all at business. Generally I struggled not cyclical columns of events, and is simple with check of signatures of signals and slots. But generally from what pores in html/javascript it is impossible to create  chains of events, in javascript/html it is possible to send and accept "custom event", in  framework it is impossible to create and sign on "user events"? Z>> Z>>/tmp/bin.gtk $./notes Z>> Error: storage error:Failed to create database file Z>> at openDatabase (this://app/db/db.tis (18)) Z>> at undefined (this://app/db/db.tis (43)) Z>>. . Z>> CS> Here hurt. At you that it is forbidden to user to create files in the Documents a folder? It is closed for record? To the user record in $HOME, to that acknowledgement a file $HOME/.config/sciter.notes.json since on scriter I did not launch other programs is certainly resolved. But the directory $HOME/Documents really does not exist, and never existed, and what for it is necessary to me? It after all not windows, any "My Documents" developers Linux did not provide, only $HOME

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Hello, MTD, you wrote: CS>> it is pure Sciter UI, communicator, messaging, video, screen sharing: 6.6 Mb. MTD> You to a campaign stuck in 2004 (on  which you do, it is by the way noticeable) - all to a bulb 6 or 106, I so I understand it what more to be measured there is nothing, all remaining in a minus? Well users which "stuck" in 2000 much, all are higher any age, plus same were dawn and domination ICQ times, i.e. the potential clients remembering and knowing something such ICQ in this group more. Here for example I use till now ICQ and it is natural not the official client. For me would be killer a feature, forced to deliver and try new . The client, there would be an announcement, from volume that your program consumes very few resources, for example 10 RSS (for the size of the distribution kit ). Since my all I 16  are necessary to me for operation, and the guzzle rarely used, but programs hanging in storage the better less. After all times of swap files (SSD) and working from stationary  a supply of computers transited (notebooks).

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Hello, Zhendos, you wrote: Z> Well users which "stuck" in 2000 much, all are higher any age, Z> plus same were dawn and domination ICQ times, i.e. potential clients, Z> remembering and knowing something such ICQ in this group is more. Alas, such it is not enough, in comparison with an amount of new users which about at all do not know - a drop in the sea. Therefore on all of them hammer. Z> here for example I use till now ICQ and it is natural not the official client. Z> for me would be killer a feature, forced to deliver and try new . The client, Z> there would be an announcement, from volume that your program consumes very few resources, Z> for example 10 RSS (for the size of the distribution kit ). For you it is exact not , there the emphasis is made for speed of operation from media - quickly to show pictures, rollers, stickers, that is any entertaining content, and all it weighs much.