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Topic: Lawlessness the organizations

To you to lawyers, and generally a sheaf warmly networks and  same a crime basis in a city)))
In sense the fat on larceny of money at the population. And not only. Even from the budget, yes yes smile.
For example jumped news like what that northern region, there stirred up the following. Twice lifted payment for heat from the population. Then on all inhabitants of region issued as a privilege, then from the budget requested compensating. And as a result in the first year requested 6 . In the second year of 4,5 billion, in third 8 billion. The part of money naturally subsided in pockets of these figures, is normal so... Invented creatures.
And here literally the wife one week ago rings. Speaks collected inhabitants of the house. Also declared that the pier heating grows in 2 times. It thus that payments for apartment already 8 roubles for .
I so understand at us too governors  that is possible money so to steal without being soared. Interesting when now to us offer privileges. Or quite probably even do not offer smile))
it is time to see simply to put on . I already  what to do.
Adding from 9/12/2017 06:31:
Here the swindle circuit:
http://www.rosbalt.ru/russia/2017/08/30/1642155.html
It to the aforesaid

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Re: Lawlessness the organizations

Frits
Read attentively
In the same place it is told "the house  on other pipe"
To struggle with heating systems it is useless
Easier to be disconnected and deliver the boiler

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Re: Lawlessness the organizations

The Cat
In the same place it is told "the house  on other pipe"
The adjacent walls and overlappings are flooded by liquid vacuum for preventing of arrival of heat from the outside?

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Re: Lawlessness the organizations

Frits
Apartment tea not single
At it not apartment, and an uninhabited location.
I.e. shop any with separate input of heat.

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Re: Lawlessness the organizations

EugeneG
I.e. shop any with separate input of heat.
How it is possible to make separate input of heat in an apartment house, when from 5 sides from 6  locations of neighbors instead of street?

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KPAH
The HARDWARE ask. The extension what can there.

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KPAH :
How it is possible to make separate input of heat in an apartment house, when from 5 sides from 6  locations of neighbors instead of street?

Also what? At the counter on apartment too on the sides  locations of neighbors.

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Lurk
Also what? At the counter on apartment too on the sides  locations of neighbors.
This same what to deliver the counter on the water drain and to pay also for draining of neighbors on top. Counters on central heating in an apartment house - that still delirium.

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Re: Lawlessness the organizations

Frits
At the HARDWARE ask.
If to judge on a post ("a separate pipe") that at least an extension any. In the normal apartment deduced in uninhabited fund, purely technically a pipe from  not to get.

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Re: Lawlessness the organizations

Frits
What difference, in the house too each strut as a separate pipe
Only to the general trunk it is connected, instead of directly to . And here it is explicitly specified that directly.
The such can be primary only under the project and in any isolated location.

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Re: Lawlessness the organizations

Frits
It somehow changes a situation, the stall fences off from premises, prevents ?
Happens as is fenced off. There is even a house was constructively from several sections consists, independent from each other.
I offer, to wait specifications from the HARDWARE. That to guess?

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Re: Lawlessness the organizations

EugeneG
In the normal apartment deduced in uninhabited fund, purely technically a pipe from  not to get.
Why suddenly? On all house - it is got somehow in what problem to lay out the separate?
KPAH
The Adjacent walls and overlappings are flooded by liquid vacuum for preventing of arrival of heat from the outside?
How it is possible to make separate input of heat in an apartment house, when from 5 sides from 6  locations of neighbors instead of street?
Frits
Wish that neighbors paid for your heating?
They consider  between adjacent locations?
It somehow changes a situation, the stall fences off from premises, prevents ?
You so tell it, as if "overflows" are directed certainly  only in favor of the author.
They be neighbors heat, he is neighbors. The ground floor, heat goes upwards - so it it, in general, the upper floors heats.

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Re: Lawlessness the organizations

Vovan [He 0]
They be neighbors heat, he is neighbors. The ground floor, heat goes upwards - so it it, in general, the upper floors heats.
And the upper floors heat it (because without the upper floors it would heat street). Normally, on the inhabited ground floors of apartment houses put the reinforced batteries. And inhabitants of the ground floors on a level with the remaining pay for it. Because heating is a collective activity favourable to all participants. I can not understand, what idiot guessed resolution of individual instruments of the registration.

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KPAH
Normally, on the inhabited ground floors of apartment houses put the reinforced batteries.
:facepalm: It - with the upper submission if, and especially - at one-trumpet system.
Only for to compensate the temperature which has reduced already of the heat carrier.
The upper floors heat it (because without the upper floors it would heat street).
E-E-yes. Integrally - warmly from below upwards rises.

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KPAH
I can not understand, what idiot guessed resolution of individual instruments of the registration.
[q= the law "About power savings and about increase of energetic efficiency and about modification of separate acts of the Russian Federation"] the Apartment houses placed in operation since January, 1st, 2012 after realization of building, reconstruction, should be equipped in addition by individual instruments of the registration of used thermal energy , and the apartment houses placed in operation since January, 1st, 2012 after major repairs, should be equipped by individual instruments of the registration of used thermal energy in the presence of technical possibility of their setting. [/quote] it is accepted by the State Duma, it is approved by federation Council. All a rank on a rank. Who here idiots? smile

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Re: Lawlessness the organizations

Frits
Locations adjacent how you suggest to consider ?
Neighbors also should pay extra to it, since it additional walls isolates them from a street cold
And if it is serious, I suggest such overflows not to consider

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Re: Lawlessness the organizations

Frits
In certain cases even it is necessary to fine for excessive heat
In the spring on sunny side and so the house heats up to 30 degrees, and heating systems and neighbors from North side on the former heat walls
Switch-off of batteries almost does not help

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Re: Lawlessness the organizations

Sasha 
We in a city have "a society of businessmen"
They there together solve such problems
They have a staff of lawyers
For certain and at you in a city such is also to you better to ask council not here, and from other businessmen

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Re: Lawlessness the organizations

The Cat
We in a city have "a society of businessmen"
They there together solve such problems

What "such"? Correct the Governmental orders of the Russian Federation? Cool!:super:

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Kind Baumanets
It is accepted by the State Duma, it is approved by federation Council. All a rank on a rank. Who here idiots?
Probably not the special problem to clarify composition of the State Duma and Council at the moment of adoption of this law. Well and authors of the law with advisers too it is possible to reveal. But who is is specific from this set of potential idiots was that - will clarify unlike more difficultly.
Vovan [He 0]
Only for to compensate the temperature which has reduced already of the heat carrier.
E-E-yes. On the ground floor double batteries, and from the second on the tenth - unary. It in my house. Type the temperature from the second on the first is too sharply reduced?:lol:

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KPAH
On the ground floor double batteries, and from the second on the tenth - unary. it in my house .
A little differs already from previous yours
[q=KPAH] it is normal , on the inhabited ground floors of apartment houses put the reinforced batteries. [/quote], you do not find? Because if is normal"- that
[q=] about a cellar with all cabling then too it is necessary to recall. [/quote] I, for example, recall - at presence in a boiler room cellar
Batteries at office on the ground floor started to open somewhere more close by New Year,
When under-15 became cold in the street.:D

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KPAH :
This same what to deliver the counter on the water drain and to pay also for draining of neighbors on top. Counters on central heating in an apartment house - that still delirium.

this already standard decision for new houses. That you consider as its delirium and authors of idea idiots - exceptional your problems.

Frits :
EugeneG
It somehow changes a situation, the stall fences off from premises, prevents ?

Show the receipt of payment in which are considered "".

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Re: Lawlessness the organizations

Lurk
That you consider as its delirium and authors of idea idiots - exceptional your problems.
That I consider idiots as idiots is not a problem. It generally very much helps with life.:gigi:
Vovan [He 0]
You do not find? Because if is normal"- that" about a cellar with all cabling then too it is necessary to recall ".
Let's then recall about a cellar with batteries! From cabling a heat emission so-so...
I, for example, recall - at presence in a boiler room cellar
Whether in many houses in cellars there are boilers? Whether many boilers have heat insulations that water is worse heated up, but would be warmer to inhabitants of the ground floors?

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Sasha 
Somebody can came up against a similar situation and helps me council.
And about what here generally it is possible to have legal proceedings, without speaking already about
Will be 4th meeting arbitration court
???:insane:
Earlier - it was possible how at you, now - we read the law (software No354): it is impossible without  the registration generally in any way.
About what you with "" have legal proceedings?
In the contract at you one is written - well so and that from that, "rules" changed at more high level.

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Vovan [He 0]
What "such"? Correct the Governmental orders of the Russian Federation? Cool!
The decision can be interpreted 5 different methods
And much depends on singularities of specific object
And communications of the lawyer are still important
Etc.