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Hello, VladD2, you wrote: VD> To me would like 10 % of their resources, I for would move also Dotnet would be the best product on light. And they chew snivels also such as you suggest, all  and only and is necessary. You like had all possibilities in JetBrains to make the best language on light. Or this another? 03.11.17 17:53: the Branch is selected from a subject New ref readonly in C# and IL the Author: VladCore Date: 23.10 22:53 kochetkov.vladimir

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Hello, IT, you wrote: IT> you like had all possibilities in JetBrains to make the best language on light. There again the next eggs prevented. Not Vlad is guilty, honestly.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0 on Windows 8 6.2.9200.0>>

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Hello, IT, you wrote: IT> you like had all possibilities in JetBrains to make the best language on light. Or this another? 3 persons one of which was in Peter and which I almost did not supervise (because of what it was engaged half of time devils than), and one - I. Thus on us there was all beginning from the project and finishing the documentation. For three years we made much. It is much more than for two years after that. But three years at such deals it appeared a little. The MSEC had 15 years, almost not restricted budget and the people sea. Also what? As a result C# 7. does not hold out to Nemerle 0.8 samples of 2003 year. Here now I work almost one. Thus it is necessary to earn still money so too I do not devote to operation of 100 % of time. But the project moves. There would be a financing we and about 3 stirrup little men would overtake them. And their resources and for a long time. Unfortunately, level of complexity of the project so is high that people from outside simply do not pull. Here the full immersing and high a class is necessary. And such people only for money are ready to work. Join also business goes faster. In the nearest plans typification  and , and as changeover  with  on the own. For now you can have a look that turns out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDwf7zHREvY

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Hello, VladD2, you wrote: VD> there would be a financing we and about 3 stirrup little men would overtake them. And their resources and for a long time. I am afraid that at any financing at you instead of  it turns out any . You there absolutely do not feel coast. To you provided high-grade financing of three developers, but instead of Nemerle you there and then departed to any far distances. Nitra is abruptly, but where Nemerle? He already is able to compile in Core? Is not present? And  so? VD> Join also business goes faster. In the nearest plans typification  and , and as changeover  with  on the own. Five years ago I already asked for a command. Convinced also you and Orandzha that you took me in the project on any terms since without me at you all the same one horse-radish quits nothing. You  corporate traditions any there, type we so do not work. Here and the result for three years - pink  gave birth to the mouse under a title Nitra. As I also predicted all. You would throw already this business, Vlad. The chance with Orandzhem you it is successful . , of course, but to sense any more will not be. . Though into the account of Orandzha I can be mistaken. It is not eliminated that it never and did not have a task to make of Nemerle a candy. Then I congratulate, you  and threw out.

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Hello, IT, you wrote: IT> you would Throw already this business, Vlad. The chance with Orandzhem you it is successful . , of course, but to sense any more will not be. You would find the investor it is better. Such classical uncle-American in a cowboy's hat with small business - three brick-works.

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Hello, Glory, you wrote: you would find the investor it is better. Such classical uncle-American in a cowboy's hat with small business - three brick-works. So already there was an investor. The world famous company of JetBrains in flow of three years paid the salary to three blockheads.  - a zero. You think business in a cowboy's hat?

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Hello, IT, you wrote: IT> He already is able to compile in Core? +100 It would be much more practical and the designer of languages necessary 0,0 is closer to the people, than. 01 % of community

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Hello, IT, you wrote: IT> I Am afraid that at any financing at you instead of  it turns out any . And you be not afraid without the bases. In practice just  became a hindrance to popularization. For some reason many interested and  and Nemerlom sits on everything, but not on . IT> you there absolutely do not feel coast. To you provided high-grade financing of three developers, but instead of Nemerle you there and then departed to any far distances. And to us also did not provide financing for Nemerla. You from what that of the darkness of consciousness took out it. To us just provided financing of Nitra. Here only there other toy on the basis of Java was parallely got. IT> Nitra is abruptly, but where Nemerle? Nitra is a unique method to make qualitative implementation of Nemerla without having MSEC resources. Will be in the near future and Nemerl, both expanded Sharp, and compilation in what you want. Again  if such as you helped all for a long time would be. A year two as on Nitra it is possible to do Nimerl 2 and anything you like. But I actually work one. Also is still stimulated to understand the code Hardcas that wildly brakes operation. It generally almost does not help me. Unless sometimes links to the necessary pieces of the code gives. And that you will not always wait the answer. Be knocked in Skajp and though today we start to do Nemerl 2. All such transferred and abruptly expanded. As how to do I to you to details I will tell. A question only in time. You  precisely suffices. It is ready to participate? And if is not present, not figs to urge on and criticize. I and so with the last bit of strength go on this way. To cut off corners it is impossible. Will be same  as with Nemerle 1. IT> He already is able to compile in Core? Is not present? And  so? In process. If Volfhaundu paid money and over it MT all it would be for a long time already hung. But you can come in  and look how many it  to Nitra for the last year. VD>> Join also business goes faster. In the nearest plans typification  and , and as changeover  with  on the own. IT> five years ago I already asked for a command. Convinced also you and Orandzha that you took me in the project on any terms since without me at you all the same one horse-radish quits nothing. You  corporate traditions any there, type we so do not work. Here and the result for three years - pink  gave birth to the mouse under a title Nitra. As I also predicted all. Well, what you tell nonsense? To work over the project the for-fan it was possible when necessary. I with Orandzhem agreed about it. Well, and on operation in Dzhet I take not. I here any side. I still the person 10 would invite in a team if there was a possibility. IT> you would throw already this business, Vlad. The chance with Orandzhem you it is successful . , of course, but to sense any more will not be.  was fond of Kotlinom. On us hammered and as a result got rid on  () to which we on figs were not necessary, as well as any others . And to throw something at all a floor are expensive, and having an operating product in hands as it is absolutely silly. Well, and all is excuses from your side. You here already invented that I you somewhere did not take. I to you once again repeat. Nitra works. On it Nemerl is written to some months. We with Hardkejsom while worked in Dzhete had time to write perfectly operating prototype. Now I cut support of plug-ins to IDE and  I transport Nitra on  an engine that for it was high-grade  and in IDE ears  did not stick out. Remains percent of 15 %. But Nitra uses Nemerl. So Tipizatsija Nemerla will be the following  in typification of Nitra. So Nemerl is necessary to Nitra, and Nitra is necessary . Appearance of Nemerla is inevitable. Help me and process goes faster. Fairly to tell to me even banal moral stimulation already would help. And if still someone would undertake operation I precisely could help, parallely leading up Niru to mind. IT> . Though into the account of Orandzha I can be mistaken. It is not eliminated that it never and did not have a task to make of Nemerle a candy. Then I congratulate, you  and threw out.  they called at once into question. They from Nemrela had only one thought - they are kicked for that that, ostensibly because of them, Nemerl ceased to develop. , most likely, wanted to do the language. But as a result it was fond of Kotlinom.  there found any small I string in creation of a software for devices (Java and ObeektivTs an infernal shit against which  normal language would look perfectly). Also popularize it. In macroes they did not trust initially. Did not believe more precisely that they will well live with IDE. And the most ridiculous that we ,  that macroes perfectly live with IDE. The idea of Volvhanda about typification of macroes "on tops" appeared very much even macroes viable and solving the main problem. And our language of dependent properties and an expanded parcer solved remaining technical issues. We achieved that extensions became first class intrinsic in the sense that by possibilities do not differ from the features built in language. More shortly if you do not search for excuses simply help me and through a floor of year we will have Nemerl 2. Nemerl simply will be more exact to have a rest aside. And same accelerates operation end over . On the Bark it is all will work too.

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Hello, QrystaL, you wrote: IT>> He already is able to compile in Core? QL> +100 QL> It would be much more practical and is closer to the people, Nitra on a fig in what to be compiled. It is necessary to create only  able to be compiled in Barks and it will be compiled in Barks. Whether I do not know is able CCI Metadata to generate the code for Core. If is able, new Nemerl will be able also. If is not able, the task becomes complicated and it is necessary to understand that as it is possible to destroy Roslyn or F# (it like already has and in Core ). QL> than the designer of languages necessary 0,0. 01 % of community It is error can be dispelled only in practice. A simple example we on Nemerle 1 had all that is in C# 7. still 10 years ago. And we in 1000 times have less than resources. And only thanking  (and MT in general) we caught many features. And it yet without speaking about DSL. Nitra still at all , and people create on it  DSL: https://github.com/rsdn/nitra/wiki/Lang … d-by-Nitra It on it becomes much more conveniently than on Nemerle.

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Hello, AndrewVK, you wrote: AVK> There again the next eggs prevented. Not Vlad is guilty, honestly. You that in this time how many . Now you can relax and criticize those who did of nothing.

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Hello, IT, you wrote: IT> So already there was an investor. The world famous company of JetBrains in flow of three years paid the salary to three blockheads.  - a zero. You think business in a cowboy's hat? But, here you see they decided that the future not for what that there languages with changeable syntax and first class DSL, and beyond Kotlinom. On it it is possible to model aaplets for Androida and MakOSi telephone. Likely I am guilty that did not make operation which should make megacorporations like Majrosoft or Orakla (a command in 3 persons). Excuse me for it.

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Hello, VladD2, you wrote: AVK>> There again the next eggs prevented. Not Vlad is guilty, honestly. VD> you that in this time how many . What ? The best in the world languages? So I also did not undertake. And for what undertook - that quite to itself , unlike.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0 on Windows 8 6.2.9200.0>>

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Hello, AndrewVK, you wrote: AVK> That ? The best in the world languages? So I also did not undertake. And for what undertook - that quite to itself , unlike. That , . But critics above a roof.

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Hello, VladD2, you wrote: VD> Hello, IT, you wrote: IT>> So already there was an investor. The world famous company of JetBrains in flow of three years paid the salary to three blockheads.  - a zero. You think business in a cowboy's hat? VD> but, here you see they decided that the future not for what that there languages with changeable syntax and first class DSL, and beyond Kotlinom. On it it is possible to model aaplets for Androida and MakOSi telephone. Well is , he too allows to write much for what https://forums.xamarin.com/discussion/8 … roadmap/p1 Languages develop. The same TypeScript develops with great strides. That is  language that good, but on mine at it strongly restricted niche.

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IT> JetBrains in flow of three years paid the salary to three blockheads. It is not necessary so, about colleagues One of these "blockheads" after JetBrains was arranged to us and, for ~1.5 years of the operation, no censures to its efficiency arose. From these one and a half years, months ~8 I was it , .. I know, about what I speak. It thus that the project over which it all this time works, in places is more difficult than the compiler or language  will be. It turns out, what quite to itself the adult person kicked three years , and then suddenly became reasonable, yes so, what the second year cannot already release? "I do not trust!" () IT> Ruzultat - a zero. The result - in repository Nitra and it definitely differs from zero on some orders. If speech about Nemerle it (how much I remember) the JetBrains interested only, as means, but not the purpose. The purpose was development by guys  which could, on the one hand - to occupy a niche fashionable now Haxe-like , and with another - to give the chance to JetBrains to build around all it an infrastructure on the basis of already available products. The reasons on which all happens how happens - set and guys concern far not all from them, IMO.... <<RSDN@Home 1.3.16 alpha 5 rev. 60>>

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Hello, kochetkov.vladimir, you wrote: KV> It turns out, what quite to itself the adult person kicked three years , and then suddenly became reasonable, yes so, what the second year cannot already release? "I do not trust!" (I somewhere doubted someone's professionalism? I only state that guys three years   from the point of view of obtaining of the useful result. The result as a matter of fact following - Nemerle and is not able to compile the code except as in  on which is collected. This task should be made still about 10 years ago. And it for me very distinct indicator of that language already  is necessary to nobody. As a matter of fact, these three years could decide destiny of language absolutely in another way. In  does not suffice only  that it was possible to forget about Nemerle for ever. And it could appear so that "JetBrains - the master of languages!" . Kotlin, Nemerle, the compiler , there still something tightened. Then would be engaged also in Nitra and it already would look on this background absolutely in another way. IT>> Ruzultat - a zero. KV> result - in repository Nitra and it definitely differs from zero on some orders. To whom is it necessary without Nemerle? Well a little  riveted on it something there. It something already turned our representation about software development? Still is not present? And  so KV> If speech about Nemerle it (how much I remember) the JetBrains interested only, as means, but not the purpose. It was clarified far not at once and more likely as the justification of that Nemerle so anybody and did not begin to be engaged. Initially all looked and was declared as JetBrains a beret under the wing language and employs its developers. About any Nitrah generally speeches were not. Then Vlad dreamed to be engaged most of all Nemerle  and the JetBrains sentence has been perceived  so. If the sentence looked as "to us your Nemerle is not necessary, the language infrastructure" is necessary to us (about which then plainly anybody had no concept, it was a question of megamacroes), also talks would be conducted others.

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Hello, kochetkov.vladimir, you wrote: KV> the First that it was necessary to make is... To untie language from.NET (from a word absolutely). No. KV> But then all here actively heated for.NET and the heresy written above, at the best, simply would deride. And now heat, and correctly do.

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Hello, IT, you wrote: IT> to Whom it is necessary without Nemerle? Well a little  riveted on it something there. It something already turned our representation about software development? Still is not present? And  so And to whom it is now necessary Nemerle? You seriously believe, what it is still capable to turn something? I am serious, without a dirty trick I ask. For those 5-7 years since the moment when the last assumptions about a demand and mission of this language became, all remaining world as though on a place did not stand. Here, right now, it is watched rather strong  round microservices,  and isomorphic applications,  with smart contracts and machine training. Poor (to measures Nemerle) JavaScript already now climbed through in all it, except unless ML and quite successfully there it is used. What now Nemerle can oppose to this language, even if receives made ?... <<RSDN@Home 1.3.16 alpha 5 rev. 60>>

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Hello, Qbit86, you wrote: KV>> But then all here actively heated for.NET and the heresy written above, at the best, simply would deride. Q> And now heat, and correctly do. Losing thus for Nemerle where the big user mass, than ever was round all ecosystem.NET. What in it of correct?... <<RSDN@Home 1.3.16 alpha 5 rev. 60>>

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Hello, kochetkov.vladimir, you wrote: KV> Losing thus for Nemerle where the big user mass, than ever was round all ecosystem.NET. What in it of correct? A binding to.NET it not only a binding to , but also access to standard library and already written widely used components. If it is all to invent anew the situation would be worse.

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Hello, Qbit86, you wrote: Q> the Binding to.NET it not only a binding to , but also access to standard library and already written widely used components. If it is all to invent anew the situation would be worse. What for  anew? To "Untie" - does not mean, to deprive language of support of this platform. Already then was JVM with not smaller library and components. Appeared LLVM a bit later. My thought that it is not necessary to go in cycles on.NET and the more so to strengthen already  dependence of this language on a specific platform.... <<RSDN@Home 1.3.16 alpha 5 rev. 60>>

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Hello, IT, you wrote: IT> So already there was an investor. The world famous company of JetBrains in flow of three years paid the salary to three blockheads.  - a zero. You think business in a cowboy's hat? Why a zero? That that you do not want to look at result does not mean that it is not present. A question only that it is not enough 9 cheloveko-years for such project. Plus there was one more problem.  was (absolutely not clearly what for) in Peter and I actually could not control it. At first it worked on full, and then ever less. So in a reality it was not 9 cheloveko-years, and somewhere 7. If DzhetBrejnovtsy did not force us to break a command the result would be better. And if did not withdraw approximately in a year it is even better. The last year we with Stasom (Hradkejsom) plowed so that I after that a floor of year could not depart and earned to myself an elevated pressure. And you instead of the help, or at least, supports - the next time mock. You made that for the project much? I after all you asked to help time and again. Here you here about spoke about that that compilation under Barks, etc. Here is necessary help. At least to understand, how to separate  from Rozlina from most Rozlina. Then will make  languages  completely not difficult. Something prompts to me, as CCI allows under Core . But it should be tried, as Majkrosoftovsky  , seemingly, CCI uses.