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Re: Cosmonaut Victor Savinyh about a film Salute 7

Hello, arc041209, you wrote: A> http://youtu.be/_zJLMHjXVtE A> http://lleo.me/dnevnik/2017/10/29.html Here Leo - is exact  in a question, yes...

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Re: Cosmonaut Victor Savinyh about a film Salute 7

Hello, pagid, you wrote: P> Leonid Kaganov that person, whose judgement concerning a film can be more informative or it is more interesting than judgements of participants of our forum? Well, as the engineer, Koganaov, with the technical school and a CAD in  hardly on level corresponds to a local party. And, by the way, the criticism in a roller is enough  the empty...

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Re: Cosmonaut Victor Savinyh about a film Salute 7

Hello, Erop, you wrote: E> Well and was specific flight of Dzhanibekova with Savinyh to broken "Salute" is was enough  the mad enterprise. They really not especially knew return or not... Not mad, but risky. You remember, how at cinema showed selection of the commander of crew? All ran on a training apparatus, nobody fulfilled splicing. And  at all was not on that training apparatus. It generally somewhere on fishing was. It pulled off from rest, and it there and then departed. Also joined, being out of a visibility range, from the second attempt. Here this uniform madness. Clearly, from what suddenly the principal of flight began  a chair to space apart. By the way, how much I remember, steady round-the-clock communication of the Earth with orbiting stations appeared during "Saljuta-6". It, , 1978. In "Time of the first" madness showed a little in another way. The Chief designer speaks: it is impossible to fly, the ship is not finished. And  to it: yes on a fig. And any history from the childhood told. It is possible still an episode with parachute jump to recall. E> so madness brave + professionalism... Not madness, and the calculated risk. Madness and professionalism - concepts perpendicular, not?

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Re: Cosmonaut Victor Savinyh about a film Salute 7

Hello, Privalov, you wrote: P> By the way how much I remember, steady round-the-clock communication of the Earth with orbiting stations appeared during "Saljuta-6". It, , 1978. And then disappeared. P> in "Time of the first" madness showed a little in another way. The Chief designer speaks: it is impossible to fly, the ship is not finished. And  to it: yes on a fig. And any history from the childhood told. It is possible still an episode with parachute jump to recall. It is art fiction. For an art film normally.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Re: Cosmonaut Victor Savinyh about a film Salute 7

Hello, Privalov, you wrote: P> Not mad, but risky. Well very risky so we tell. P> you remember, how at cinema showed selection of the commander of crew? All ran on a training apparatus, nobody fulfilled splicing. And  at all was not on that training apparatus. It generally somewhere on fishing was. It pulled off from rest, and it there and then departed. This place not clear, it like as on service? On what bases he on fishings gadded? Generally, cinema rather "art" as I understood. But in an in itself message that for this purpose, what to space to fly, it is necessary to be rather dashing guy who is ready to that does not return, and it suits it, I do not see anything special. You think that Gagarin "went" shouted? Simply it flied on a piece which roofing felts blows up roofing felts is not present, and that there on top will be, too nobody knew. All can  will, and the roof can moves down. P> By the way how much I remember, steady round-the-clock communication of the Earth with orbiting stations appeared during "Saljuta-6". It, , 1978. Well, it is formal it with "Sojuzom-T13" communication it was necessary, instead of with "Saljutom-7" so can that was. How much I remember, they there should rise and twist a cancer, it was convenient what to be joined. Communication quite could and disappear. P> in "Time of the first" madness showed a little in another way. The Chief designer speaks: it is impossible to fly, the ship is not finished. And  to it: yes on a fig. And any history from the childhood told. It is possible still an episode with parachute jump to recall. He it clearly told that a record you, probably deliver, and then the ranging ship blew up, and that makes yours - we do not know. And they answered that are ready to such deal, because history from the childhood. And in what here madness? I, by the way, suspect that "the history from the childhood" results immediately from Leonov. Generally it is a lot of very much from real events played back precisely, and that is inexact, it is possible too to understand, because it is difficult or  to show precisely. I truth did not understand, why at cinema they did not dissolve a fire. In real like dissolved? E>> So madness brave + professionalism... P> Not madness, and the calculated risk. Madness and professionalism - concepts perpendicular, not? "Madness brave" is a known metaphor from Peshkov's creativity... Here people who on embrasures rushed or in  walked, they is calculated risked, or showed madness of the brave? But, anyway it simply dispute on words.

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Re: Cosmonaut Victor Savinyh about a film Salute 7

Hello, Erop, you wrote: E> This place not clear, it like as on service? On what bases he on fishings gadded? E> generally, cinema rather "art" as I understood. Its type discharged. After an episode when in space at the girl a survival suit pierced. It was it to rescue the beginnings, and then suddenly froze and, all forgetting, admired a space landscape. E> you think that Gagarin "went" shouted? Simply it flied on a piece which roofing felts blows up roofing felts is not present, and that there on top will be, too nobody knew. All can  will, and the roof can moves down. I do not know. But Gagarin even on a question "as it was slept" answered "as learned". And, by the way, Leonov too spoke in any interview about this most "as learned". Amateur performance there was not. E> well, it is formal it with "Sojuzom-T13" communication it was necessary, instead of with "Saljutom-7" so can that was. Basically, can be. I remember this episode of real history not very well. And I did not read the book of Savinyh still. E> He it clearly told that a record you, probably deliver, and then the ranging ship blew up, and that makes yours - is not known. E> and they answered that are ready to such deal, because history from the childhood. And in what here madness? And how still it to name? Further, by the way, Mosquitoes on "Union" perished because of malfunction of parachute system. And this malfunction was known. Recalled about it also because there by radio Levitan's voice read the obituary which in a reality has been read after loss of Komarova. E> I, by the way, suspect that "the history from the childhood" results immediately from Leonov. Leonov was the principal adviser. He said in any interview that with its judgement were considered more strongly, than with others. So can be. On the screen the character looks a such hybrid neurasthenic  and the superhero, only thanks to which the project took place. In P.Beljaev's reality broke a foot not in 1963, and in 1960. Leonov did not concern it. E> generally it is a lot of very much from real events played back precisely, and that is inexact, it is possible too to understand, because it is difficult or  to show precisely. E> I truth did not understand, why at cinema they did not dissolve a fire. In real like dissolved? I do not know. I too did not read Leonov's book. But events in a film do not correspond to that wrote about this time Kamanin and Chertok.

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Re: Cosmonaut Victor Savinyh about a film Salute 7

Hello, Privalov, you wrote: P> Its type discharged. After an episode when in space at the girl a survival suit pierced. It was it to rescue the beginnings, and then suddenly froze and, all forgetting, admired a space landscape. Well, I so understand that Leonov the open-minded dude, the artist and the fan , and it with understanding concerned to that show it on the screen how the director sees. And here Savitsky, for example, the lady serious, the deputy like was, and can and is, Dzhanebekov too the uncle uneasy and etc. So cinemas removed, as I understood, not about them, and about certain invented characters. So it is all bluntly fantasy approximately on motives. Type Dzhanebekov with Savinyh could, well and these invented could. The principal problem "Saljuta-7" is that it is a fantasy, fiction, literary generalization. In difference from "Time of the first". P> I do not know. But Gagarin even on a question "as it was slept" answered "as learned". And, by the way, Leonov too spoke in any interview about this most "as learned". Amateur performance there was not. "Went" was not authorized. Authorized was "Crew, I fly up"... P> I do not know. I too did not read Leonov's book. But events in a film do not correspond to that wrote about this time Kamanin and Chertok. At these guys too it is a lot of deviations from a reality. Privacy . For example a place of fit of "Voshoda-2" long hid, and whether opened now-... Here cinema "fire Taming" causes the protest in you, for example? In the same place only and exceptional  historic facts?.

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Re: Cosmonaut Victor Savinyh about a film Salute 7

Hello, Erop, you wrote: E> Well, I so understand that Leonov the open-minded dude, the artist and the fan , and it with understanding concerned to that show it on the screen how the director sees. And, judging by its interview, the terrible antiadviser. E> and here Savitsky, for example, the lady serious, the deputy like was, and can and is, Dzhanebekov too the uncle uneasy and etc. So at the heroine a survival suit and pierced. Called its Svetlana Evgenevna, as well as Savitsky. I Here do not believe that real Dzhanibekov could so to throw simply a companion in a free space. E> so cinemas removed, as I understood, not about them, and about certain invented characters. So it is all bluntly fantasy approximately on motives. Type Dzhanebekov with Savinyh could, well and these invented could. There in a film of a surname of cosmonauts changed, and names and patronymics left. E> the principal problem "Saljuta-7" is that it is a fantasy, fiction, literary generalization. In difference from "Time of the first". But the film is positioned, as historical. For fiction not so it is a lot of place. You think, real Ryumin would began a seat to space apart building ? Surrenders to me, at Valery Viktorovicha of another matters on a throat was. E> "went" was not authorized. Authorized was "Crew, I fly up"... Deviations within norm. G.Grechko at the moment of each start spoke "Went on operation". As I understand, the commander interrupted. And anything, successfully flied. E> here cinema "fire Taming" causes the protest in you, for example? In the same place only and exceptional  historic facts?. And where there lies distortion of the facts? Well the chief designer - the character invented, more precisely, collective. It is impossible to tell that Laurels played the Queen. And with the facts there, , all is normal. Even date of the first volley of "Katyushas" of battery Flerova the correct.

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Re: Cosmonaut Victor Savinyh about a film Salute 7

Hello, Privalov, you wrote: P> So at the heroine a survival suit also pierced. Called its Svetlana Evgenevna, as well as Savitsky. I Here do not believe that real Dzhanibekov could so to throw simply a companion in a free space. At it there any other problem was with a survival suit. Feet strongly froze, whether that. And generally cosmonauts sometimes  without cause, yes. There is such phenomenon. P> there in a film of a surname of cosmonauts changed, and names and patronymics left. And? P> But the film is positioned, as historical. For fiction not so it is a lot of place. You think, real Ryumin would began a seat to space apart building ? Surrenders to me, at Valery Viktorovicha of another matters on a throat was. Well, in my opinion, it approximately as on motives, as "fire Taming". Many consider it as good cinema. Why "Saljut-7" is impossible? Another matter that PERSONALLY to me film reconstruction would be more interesting. But not the fact that it would collect cash register... P> Deviations within norm. Nevertheless, Gagarin told not "as learned", and . Why? And why "went", instead of "departed"? I think that it as before getting under way from an abrupt hill of of the boy encourage, approximately. P> and where there lies distortion of the facts? Everywhere. Try to find there the undistorted facts, except dates. P> well the chief designer - the character invented, more precisely, collective. It is impossible to tell that Laurels played the Queen. And with the facts there, , all is normal. Even date of the first volley of "Katyushas" of battery Flerova the correct. Laurels played Bashkirtseva - absolutely other pepper, than Queens, with another absolutely destiny and etc. I to that anybody or there technical particulars did not want facts of life from "fire Taming", there directly in the film beginning say that it is history which never was, and from "Saljuta-7" for some reason want. . IMHO, in the beginning of "Saljuta-7" too it was necessary to read a spoiler as in "Taming", and it would be easier to all to perceive ., instead of a reliability level.

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Re: Cosmonaut Victor Savinyh about a film Salute 7

Hello, Erop, you wrote: E> Laurels played Bashkirtseva - absolutely other pepper, than Queens, with another absolutely destiny and etc. E> I to that anybody or there technical particulars did not want facts of life from "fire Taming", there directly in the film beginning say that it is history which never was, and from "Saljuta-7" for some reason want... E> IMHO, in the beginning of "Saljuta-7" too it was necessary to read a spoiler as in "Taming", and it would be easier to all to perceive ., instead of a reliability level. It is simply fashionable to be in "underground". In "opposition" to mass cinema. And no spoilers here help. Here to take Stalingrad Bondarchuk. Why from it demand to be historically authentic? The film begins that accurately and unambiguously show to us that real events, and at all the story of the participant of real events, and retelling of the story of the participant of events will be now shown not. And this story since the first minutes the personal. Not about war, not about fight, not about heroism of the Soviet soldier, and about the mother. The script writer likely not the fool also wanted to tell to the spectator something it. It helped to avoid claims to reliability? Certainly is not present.

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Re: Cosmonaut Victor Savinyh about a film Salute 7

Hello, pagid, you wrote: P>> By the way how much I remember, steady round-the-clock communication of the Earth with orbiting stations appeared during "Saljuta-6". It, , 1978. P> and then disappeared. Where disappeared? Communication was provided with a network terrestrial and sea-crafts of retranslators.

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Re: Cosmonaut Victor Savinyh about a film Salute 7

Hello, Stanislaw K, you wrote: SK> Where disappeared? Almost the continuous communication was provided only with second half 80 with usage of companions-repeaters "Rays", by the end 90 satellite system died. Now its second generation in an implementation stage in maintenance. SK> communication was provided with a network terrestrial and sea-crafts of retranslators. It does not turn out so almost a continuous communication. Courts should be stuck on all ball , and all of them was a little, and tasks at them not only on supports piloted were.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Re: Cosmonaut Victor Savinyh about a film Salute 7

Hello, Erop, you wrote: P>> There in a film of a surname of cosmonauts changed, and names and patronymics left. E> and? Inconveniently." Time of the first "to consider a bit easier. It is possible to name surnames, simply specifying that it is a question of characters of a film. And from"Saljutom-7"number does not transit, I consider. P>> and where there lies distortion of the facts? E> everywhere. Try to find there the undistorted facts, except dates.  what not so with the facts? I a film the last time looked very long ago. But captain Flerov, Powers, start of the first companion, Gagarin's flight - all on a place. Something from this is lie? I only do not remember, who left designers of"Katyusha"on front with Flerovym. E> Laurels played Bashkirtseva - absolutely other pepper, than Queens, with another absolutely destiny and etc. Well so Bashkirtsev is a generalized character. The solver of challenging tasks. Therefore in a film the lyrical line foolishly quitted. E> I to that anybody or there technical particulars did not want facts of life from" fire Taming ", there directly in the film beginning say that it is history which never was, and from"Saljuta-7"for some reason want. . Then would remove something of type "Resettings from an orbit". Americans "Apollo-13" Here removed. There too, for certain, mistakes suffices. , anyway, it was not pleasant. But there the purpose of all participants - to return crew to the Earth. And on a fig where the ship sits down. And in "Saljute-7" they returned, thanks to the mad commander. And in "Time of the first" - thanks to the mad second pilot. E> IMHO, in the beginning of "Saljuta-7" too it was necessary to read a spoiler as in "Taming", and it would be easier to all to perceive ., instead of a reliability level. So after all "Saljut-7 is positioned, as a historical film.

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Re: Cosmonaut Victor Savinyh about a film Salute 7

Hello, pagid, you wrote: SK>> Communication was provided with a network terrestrial and sea-crafts of retranslators. P> it does not turn out so almost a continuous communication. Courts should be stuck on all ball , and all of them a little They were more than fifty. From the end 60 the beginnings 70 communication with piloted flights supported military and scientifically research ships which was then full on all oceans all-the-year-round. In case of emergency it would be possible to use merchant marine fleet. Plus there were outer-space communication radio stations in embassies and oversea military bases. Certainly these retranslators imported a certain time delay from for what direct dialogue was discomfortable, but communication was quite steady. P> was, and tasks at them not only on supports piloted byli. - Probably you mean the ship of type "Cosmonaut Yury Gagarin" 71 years. At them communication as that was a task of second importance, after the task of observation and data acquisition from automatic devices.