#### Re: Positive: -21 arrived in Ramensky

Hello, Dym On, you wrote: DO> Plane MS-21-300 made non-stop flight from Irkutsk in Zhukovsky DO> From Irkutsk in Zhukovsky for 6 hours. 208 meters per second of 12 500 meters per minute of 750 000 meters per hour normally.

#### Re: Positive: -21 arrived in Ramensky

SK> it is normal. The journalist probably on  a card a ruler as the crow flies , and you do outputs

#### Re: Positive: -21 arrived in Ramensky

Hello, Kaifa, you wrote: SK>> it is normal. K> the journalist probably on  a card a ruler as the crow flies , and you do outputs I do an output of time. Distance on storage estimated as 4500. And how it is possible to measure time on a card by a ruler? Google here prompts irkutsk-zhukovsky ~4180 km. 700 km mean hour. It is not so normal slowly. It is necessary to hope that it was skilled flight "if only reached", and commercial already will be 800 + and it is better 1000 +.

#### Re: Positive: -21 arrived in Ramensky

Hello, Stanislaw K, you wrote: SK> I do an output of time. Distance on storage estimated as 4500. And how it is possible to measure time on a card by a ruler? SK> Google here prompts irkutsk-zhukovsky ~4180 km. 700 km mean hour. It is not so normal slowly. 100 km/h a head wind, for example. SK> it is necessary to hope that it was skilled flight "if only reached", and commercial already will be 800 + and it is better 1000 +. 1000 + is already -144 it turns out

#### Re: Positive: -21 arrived in Ramensky

SK>> it is necessary to hope that it was skilled flight "if only reached", and commercial already will be 800 + and it is better 1000 +. L> 1000 + is already -144 it turns out about flight fit forgot? Generally all counted for us https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%A1-21

#### Re: Positive: -21 arrived in Ramensky

Hello, landerhigh, you wrote: L> 100 km/h a head wind, for example. Well. If to enumerate time of flight for distances between the airports, 747 and 320 average rate of ~850 km/hour. On it 750 it is accepted as "normal", at a possible head wind (and taking into account exploring flight, not a record flied). SK>> it is necessary to hope that it was skilled flight "if only reached", and commercial already will be 800 + and it is better 1000 +. L> 1000 + is already -144 it turns out Yes it would be time for a long time already again.

#### Re: Positive: -21 arrived in Ramensky

Hello, Stanislaw K, you wrote: SK> Well. If to enumerate time of flight for distances between the airports, 747 and 320 average rate of ~850 km/hour. On it 750 it is accepted as "normal", at a possible head wind (and taking into account exploring flight, not a record flied). Cruiser! = average. Flight/landing a lot of time occupy. And the head wind can and to pass for 200 km/h, by the way. Itself flied routes where ground speed for 1000 passed. And also, where hardly above 600 was. SK>>> it is necessary to hope that it was skilled flight "if only reached", and commercial already will be 800 + and it is better 1000 +. L>> 1000 + is already -144 it turns out SK> Yes it would be time for a long time already again. Difficult, expensively and over the earth do not allow to fly.

#### Re: Positive: -21 arrived in Ramensky

Hello, Kaifa, you wrote: K> about flight fit forgot? K> generally all counted for us https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%A1-21 Here for what I love Wikipedia so that academicians from a plow know what neither aviaconcern Irkut does not know, nor sources on which they [academicians] refer. http://mc21.irkut.com/family/characteristics/?SIZEN_1=1

#### Re: Positive: -21 arrived in Ramensky

Hello, landerhigh, you wrote: L> Hello, Stanislaw K, you wrote: SK>> Well. If to enumerate time of flight for distances between the airports, 747 and 320 average rate of ~850 km/hour. On it 750 it is accepted as "normal", at a possible head wind (and taking into account exploring flight, not a record flied). L> Cruiser! = average. Flight/landing a lot of time occupy. L> and the head wind can and to pass for 200 km/h, by the way. Itself flied routes where ground speed for 1000 passed. And also, where hardly above 600 was. SK>>>> it is necessary to hope that it was skilled flight "if only reached", and commercial already will be 800 + and it is better 1000 +. L>>> 1000 + is already -144 it turns out SK>> Yes it would be time for a long time already again. L> it is difficult, expensive and over the earth do not allow to fly.

#### Re: Positive: -21 arrived in Ramensky

Hello, landerhigh, you wrote: SK>> Well. If to enumerate time of flight for distances between the airports, 747 and 320 average rate of ~850 km/hour. On it 750 it is accepted as "normal", at a possible head wind (and taking into account exploring flight, not a record flied). L> Cruiser! = average. Flight/landing a lot of time occupy. Truth? L> and the head wind can and to pass for 200 km/h, by the way. I think. These are exceptional, rare situations. I assume a little compatible to the regular commercial flights. They stupidly evade or wait, than it is vain to burn down  strainedly overcoming hurricane. SK>> yes it would be time for a long time already again. L> it is difficult, expensive and over the earth do not allow to fly. Animals, yes. But after all new engines any more so smoke, probably it is time to aviaconcerns to try.

#### Re: Positive: -21 arrived in Ramensky

Hello, Stanislaw K, you wrote: L>> Cruiser! = average. Flight/landing a lot of time occupy. SK> truth? And on a piece of paper to estimate? L>> and the head wind can and to pass for 200 km/h, by the way. SK> I think. These are exceptional, rare situations. I assume a little compatible to the regular commercial flights. They stupidly evade or wait, than it is vain to burn down  strainedly overcoming hurricane. Not exceptional and not rare, and very much even constants. Before constants, what even in the schedule are put. SK>>> yes it would be time for a long time already again. L>> it is difficult, expensive and over the earth do not allow to fly. SK> animals, yes. But after all new engines any more so smoke, probably it is time to aviaconcerns to try. At what here "smoke"? Special progress in engines somehow and , and engines at all the greatest problem. Only here over the earth all the same do not allow to fly.

#### Re: Positive: -21 arrived in Ramensky

Hello, landerhigh, you wrote: L> And on a piece of paper to estimate? It was the sarcasm. L>>> and the head wind can and to pass for 200 km/h, by the way. SK>> I think. These are exceptional, rare situations. I assume a little compatible to the regular commercial flights. They stupidly evade or wait, than it is vain to burn down  strainedly overcoming hurricane. L> not exceptional and not rare, and very much even constants. Before constants, what even in the schedule are put. What for them to put in the schedule if it is possible to change height of flight and to ignore/use them? The strongest jet streams are the polar jets, at 9-12 km (30,000-39,000 ft) above sea level, and the higher altitude and somewhat weaker subtropical jets at 10-16 km (33,000-52,000 ft)..... Commercial use of the jet stream began on 18 November 1952, when Pan Am flew from Tokyo to Honolulu at an altitude of 7,600 meters (24,900 ft). It cut the trip time by over one-third, from 18 to 11.5 hours SK>>>> Yes it would be time for a long time already again. L>>> it is difficult, expensive and over the earth do not allow to fly. SK>> animals, yes. But after all new engines any more so smoke, probably it is time to aviaconcerns to try. L> at what here "smoke"? Special progress in engines somehow and , and engines at all the greatest problem. Only here over the earth all the same do not allow to fly. Thus that new engines began rustle less very strongly. Very strongly less to smoke. And it were the main complaints to that-144/Concorde.

#### Re: Positive: -21 arrived in Ramensky

Hello, Stanislaw K, you wrote: SK> What for them to put in the schedule if it is possible to change height of flight and to ignore/use them? SK> SK> Commercial use of the jet stream began on 18 November 1952, when Pan Am flew from Tokyo to Honolulu at an altitude of 7,600 meters (24,900 ft). It cut the trip time by over one-third, from 18 to 11.5 hours And it is impossible when to use, it is necessary to eat a cactus. Above 12 not to get, more low 9 too any more comme il faut for various reasons. L>> at what here "smoke"? Special progress in engines somehow and , and engines at all the greatest problem. Only here over the earth all the same do not allow to fly. SK> thus that new engines began rustle less very strongly. Very strongly less to smoke. And it were the main complaints to that-144/Concorde. Strongly began to rustle turbofan high-bypass engines less. Only for a supersound they somehow do not approach. But to the Concorde at all because of engines did not allow to fly above speed of a sound over the earth. There there is one small problem which any progress in engines not to solve.

#### Re: Positive: -21 arrived in Ramensky

Hello, landerhigh, you wrote: L> it is difficult, expensive and over the earth do not allow to fly. To send  it is reverse in a cave.

#### Re: Positive: -21 arrived in Ramensky

Hello, landerhigh, you wrote: L>>> At what here "smoke"? Special progress in engines somehow and , and engines at all the greatest problem. Only here over the earth all the same do not allow to fly. SK>> thus that new engines began) to rustle less very strongly. Very strongly less to smoke. And it were the main complaints to that-144/Concorde. L> strongly began to rustle turbofan high-bypass engines less. Only for a supersound they somehow do not approach. L> but to the Concorde at all because of engines did not allow to fly above speed of a sound over the earth. There there is one small problem which any progress in engines not to solve. The dense population in , small distances between settlements, in the USSR the Iron Curtain, over continent is no place to fly? It is time already, it is time to solve it.

#### Re: Positive: -21 arrived in Ramensky

Hello, landerhigh, you wrote: L> 1000 + is already -144 747th turns out enough with a fair wind 200 + km/h, is more exact even 50-100 enough. I through  flied recently for 5 with small hours NJ-London, is insulting that in the first class. Speed concerning the earth was 1150 + km/h.

#### Re: Positive: -21 arrived in Ramensky

Hello, Stanislaw K, you wrote: SK> Here for what I love Wikipedia so that academicians from a plow know what neither aviaconcern Irkut does not know, nor sources on which they [academicians] refer. SK> http://mc21.irkut.com/family/characteristics/?SIZEN_1=1 and  can be knows? https://www.facebook.com/UAC.RUSSIA/pos … 0560833184

#### Re: Positive: -21 arrived in Ramensky

Hello, Ops, you wrote: SK>> http://mc21.irkut.com/family/characteristics/?SIZEN_1=1 Ops> And  can be knows? https://www.facebook.com/UAC.RUSSIA/pos … 0560833184 I do not know as from English letters FACEBOOK to receive  .

#### Re: Positive: -21 arrived in Ramensky

Hello, Stanislaw K, you wrote: SK> I do not know as from English letters FACEBOOK to receive  . It is their blog like. Is not present?

#### Re: Positive: -21 arrived in Ramensky

Hello, Stanislaw K, you wrote: SK> I do not know as from English letters FACEBOOK to receive  . Well on you the same news from their site, time you in Google  http://www.uacrussia.ru/ru/ru/press-cen … rkutskom-a

#### Re: Positive: -21 arrived in Ramensky

SK> Here for what I love Wikipedia so that academicians from a plow know what neither aviaconcern Irkut does not know, nor sources on which they [academicians] refer. Well, where to academicians when there are  pilots who consider speed without the registration of take off and landing, a wind, that that routes go not on the shortest way, and generally calculations do under stories of journalists

#### Re: Positive: -21 arrived in Ramensky

Hello, Stanislaw K, you wrote: SK> the dense population in  SK> is time already, it is time to solve it. You suggest the population to thin out?

#### Re: Positive: -21 arrived in Ramensky

SK> Yes it would be time for a long time already again. http://www.ato.ru/content/nachalis-letn … heta-s-512

#### Re: Positive: -21 arrived in Ramensky

Hello, Stanislaw K, you wrote: SK> a dense population in , small distances between settlements, in the USSR the Iron Curtain, over continent is no place to fly? SK> it is time already, it is time to solve it. And how it helps to solve a problem of a sound barrier?