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Topic: For what are necessary technical support passage to new versions of Oracle?

For a manual it is necessary to outline a short substantiation of passage to new versions oracle and technical support purchases.
Tens DB work more than 10 years on 10.2 without critical errors and the problems, some with DataGurd', some - without.
Supports are not present those.
Itself invented only one advantage from this that we are going to buy, Active Dats Guard.

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Aliona;
If iron is given a grunt, to have near at hand OS, a DBMS and an other old compatible software. And at the same time and iron for the modern disk controler, a network, etc. can not earn from old OS.

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Aliona wrote:

For a manual it is necessary to outline a short substantiation of passage to new versions oracle and technical support purchases.
Tens DB work more than 10 years on 10.2 without critical errors and the problems, some with DataGurd', some - without.
Supports are not present those.
Itself invented only one advantage from this that we are going to buy, Active Dats Guard.

ADG - separate,  the license

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Vadim Lejnin wrote:

ADG - separate,  the license

I in course

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Aliona, 1 variant works for me only. And for this year already was 2 .
New versions of OS do not support spherical/tekshchee iron.
That is when the server dies to buy precisely such it does not turn out (or it will cost  money). And even having the saved versions of a software - not the fact that it rises on new iron.

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helladmin wrote:

New versions of OS do not support spherical/tekshchee iron.

About what OS speech? At a hat support of release within 10 years, plus can be drawn out something at the expense of declared compatibility between releases, virtualization nobody cancelled plus, and generally the present Oracle officially supports lxc (here more problems not with new iron, and stimulated moving on more powerful though and in case of support the similar trouble takes place to be).

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Andrey Panfilov;
If it is interesting to you - hp dl380 g5 for example
rhel 7 does not support internal spot-check the controler. Though Windows including 2012 R2 it is good to itself on it lives.
And here other whim - OVS (it to a question on virtualization)
3.4.2 it is certificated under G7 generation, and here 3.4.4 (with a difference year) - already is not present. Want G9/G10
Sellers of iron too want to live, is equal as well as vendors of a software
Well and anyway - I would disagree to support samples without support (but this my personal  and cockroaches)

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helladmin wrote:

if it is interesting to you - hp dl380 g5 for example
rhel 7 does not support internal spot-check the controler. Though Windows including 2012 R2 it is good to itself on it lives.
And here other whim - OVS (it to a question on virtualization)
3.4.2 it is certificated under G7 generation, and here 3.4.4 (with a difference year) - already is not present. Want G9/G10
Sellers of iron too want to live, is equal as well as vendors of a software

So at you examples on the contrary absolutely: the question was in that as old a software to launch on new iron, and you launch new a software on old iron.

helladmin wrote:

Well and anyway - I would disagree to support samples without support (but this my personal  and cockroaches)

Well when there is no money all get out as can, conditionally accessible variant only two:
To sit without support
To invest in migration on  and to get support from "community" that too, consider, without support
And generally, I so estimated, the majority of updates that we did, have been caused by the browser, instead of any other reasons

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Panfilov wrote:

it is passed...
About what OS speech?

SLES
I to the heads resulted argument new  will not support old a software, told, it is argument it is not necessary.
Recently googled any problem and found out that some work till now on Oracle 8i, both in Russia, and behind a hillock.
Surprising - nearby.

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Aliona;
That is down time in case of system crash is not critical,  are adjusted, test restitutions transit regularly-without errors, and there is a plan - as all will vosstanavlivatsja-be adjusted after this crash?
Offer the budgetary project - expensive piece of iron from accessible at present is bought not. And on it  moving something from working at present.
If flies up - you will have a set  - what to do if all badly. Does not fly up - at you will be  concerning upgrades.
I do not ask yes or not but if any packets  on servers ( in a type of the security guard fixes) any of them can become the reason of that the software does not rise. For nobody will test the assembly with the unsupported version . Certainly the probability of it is very small, but nobody can guarantee that it does not happen never.

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Aliona wrote:

some till now

it if collapses Means, it is not necessary for them.
Stimulated migration is worse than two fires. By the way, with big probability from the old version to migrate on the newest it does not turn out. It is necessary to migrate on semiold which too somewhere it will be necessary to take at missing support.

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Oracle Spatial do not use? In 12th many new buns)

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IgorSm;
Not, not our specificity.
When support of Orakla 10 came to an end, decided to spring at once on 12. Mine 5 copecks were - springed with win 2003/32 bit to linux x64
The project for 9 months almost, nearby 20 the data. Worried....
You arguments that generate .

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helladmin wrote:

you arguments that generate .

New versions - fresh bugs!

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Aliona wrote:

Recently googled any problem and found out that some work till now on Oracle 8i, both in Russia, and behind a hillock.
Surprising - nearby.

And what the surprising? The principle "Works - do not touch" cancelled nobody. :-)
We Siebel translated 2.5 years ago all with 6th to 8th version, from Oracle 8i on Oracle 11g, the project in 1 (one) year, with attending from Oracle, lines knows how many man-hours and millions shekels, business was in Israel. Also translated, for 40 hours, it was time maximum that to us a distance on upgrade.

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flexgen wrote:

And what the surprising? The principle "Works - do not touch" cancelled nobody. :-)
We Siebel translated 2.5 years ago all with 6th to 8th version, from Oracle 8i on Oracle 11g, the project in 1 (one) year, with attending from Oracle, lines knows how many man-hours and millions shekels, business was in Israel. Also translated, for 40 hours, it was time maximum that to us a distance on upgrade.

The technological debt is saved, and the supporting command since works on old  %%% simultaneously degrades.
Small short steps 8.2> 9.2> 10.1> 10.2>... Are given much easier, without years of migration and tens hours . The amount of surprises at migration by small short steps is much less. Whether still gets the companies under different regulations and compliance (PCI DSS, etc.), for some it is an occasion .
To pay or not support - a question rhetorical it is more, support never differed special knowledge. Send in already accessible notes or white papers. Unless to cover one place "we opened SR in Oracle..."
If to work on old iron and fairly to pay for licenses can be more expensive to itself. Kernels become faster year from a year, and the price of licenses \supports directly depends on their amount. Cost of the iron grows dim against the price of licenses.

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Such question and you and a manual multiply the cost as experts by a zero,
Laziness even something to answer such nonsense.

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master_yoda wrote:

to Pay or not support - the question rhetorical is more, support never differed special knowledge. Send in already accessible notes or white papers. Unless to cover one place "we opened SR in Oracle..."

It is possible without ? You explicitly do not have any experience from Oracle Support;
And even Severity 1 not the high level of incident.

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Vivat! San wrote:

and even Severity 1 not the high level of incident.

And what highest? Above than Sev.1+24*7 I did not see and did not hear never. As far as I know the system basically has no 0th level

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xtender wrote:

it is passed...
And what highest? Above than Sev.1+24*7 I did not see and did not hear never. As far as I know the system basically has no 0th level

wink Actually, Sev.1 in Oracle too are graduated. Depends on a heap of factors.

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Alexander Ryndin;
So and what there even besides division on "normal business hours" and 24x7, and with departure departure/without?

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xtender wrote:

and what there even besides division on "normal business hours" and 24x7, and with departure departure/without?

and arises: with  and whores.

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xtender wrote:

it is passed...
And what highest? Above than Sev.1+24*7 I did not see and did not hear never. As far as I know the system basically has no 0th level

Call to the manager in Orakl.
At us for the last year it is fulfilled nearby 100 SR by critical errors of version 12.1, on some it was necessary to resort and to such variant.
The decision in a type or a patch, or workaround was on suppressing to the majority of problems.

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To talk to suppliers, they bring new iron to the test.
To launch procedure of recovery and to understand, flies up or not, at the same time and procedure  )
As it is possible to test on what releases flies up, and on what there is no also that does not suffice.

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.;
Well how to meet a dinosaur - 50 on 50
When it is enough and the engineer to kick, when - to the manager to call
And here hung at me, for example, severity 1. Also it was rang round, and 2 times , and hung 9 months (from which the first 2 weeks were 247), and has been closed by me with the status - development working and the confirmed bug