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ZEN> And here an operation sentence? Unless to learn dictates statistican from a site hh.ru? Then let's take more representative sampling from Tiobe. That there. Certainly dictates. hh.ru are live vacancies. That there it is written - that and is necessary. That is not written is a hobby. You to pension plan to work on 1 operation?

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Hello, iZEN, you wrote: ZEN> Function objects ( - calculation,  - expressions), the functional interfaces, flows for operation with collections (stream), a packet java.util.concurrent, JDBC, nio.2, Swing, Java FX, RxJava, Process API, JUnit, Java Microbenchmark Harness (JMH), the protocol of interaction HTTP 2.0 and its support in Java, new AOT-compiler Graal, jigsaw. Assembly system Maven. Management system the distributed development Mercurial. To understand essence of the application-oriented tasks solved by means of Java (for example, Apache Spark, application server WildFly etc.). Unnecessary it is crossed out.

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Hello, Cyberax, you wrote: a C> Hello, iZEN, you wrote: ZEN>> Function objects ( - calculation,  - expressions), the functional interfaces, flows for operation with collections (stream), a packet java.util.concurrent, JDBC, nio.2, Swing, Java FX, RxJava, Process API, JUnit, Java Microbenchmark Harness (JMH), the protocol of interaction HTTP 2.0 and its support in Java, new AOT-compiler Graal, jigsaw. Assembly system Maven. Management system the distributed development Mercurial. To understand essence of the application-oriented tasks solved by means of Java (for example, Apache Spark, application server WildFly etc.). A C> Unnecessary it is crossed out. Thanks! And how db?

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Hello, iZEN, you wrote: ZEN> JSF 2.3 (JSR-372) - from specification JavaEE, obviously. ZEN> Be educated: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaServer_Faces ZEN> "JSF 2.3 is the designated user interface standard for Java EE 8. It went final on 17 April 2017." This hellish shit and that that it is in the standard  does not change. GIV>> yes  there to learn? New branch-> Commit-> Push-> Merge, from time to time Pull and Merge. To repeat hundred times. ZEN> "Herak,  and in "?"At what here" in  "? To disassemble with  well day it is necessary, that there to learn?

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Hello, iZEN, you wrote: ZEN> Function objects ( - calculation,  - expressions), the functional interfaces Then is better not to suffer, and at once on scala or kotlin at least.

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Hello, Artem Korneev, you wrote: AK> Hello, iZEN, you wrote: AK>>> On " parts" java based applications now normally browser. iZEN>> Ugu. It is very clever, when an engine  2 on one page with JavaScript. AK> Well. I from it too not in delight but so it was added. Now all leaves in a web and in . Well here see, you recognize a problem. iZEN>> I, appear, till now not in the browser the code I write, and for some reason in Swing-based IDE, written entirely on Java. In the fool! It is necessary to acquire faster 32 the RAM and to launch Chrome c Firefox as code editor. AK> to me even somehow to inconveniently adult person to explain that there are no the general-purpose technologies and "normally browser" does not mean "always the browser". Well - engine JavaScript it is far not the browser, and somewhere "nearby". Nevertheless, guzzles storage it, instead of it "a graphic jacket". It is strange that you did not understand this moment - explained. AK>. . And it speaks to me noble , offering to learn Swing in 2017 year? Swing in 2017 still not deprecated and on it form, accompanied independent  applications for triple of known operating systems. AK> that in a pool not to sit down any more, take an interest though in the modern state of affairs. I heard you. iZEN>>>> can you show on specific java based applications? AK>>> odnoklassniki.ru iZEN>> Still Android add on in offset. AK> Ugu. Why is not present? Because to understand in all - not to understand what it is is specific. iZEN>> Desktopnye of application on Swing: https://platform.netbeans.org/screenshots.html AK>. I also say that  is not enough of them. There not all. In the core it is customized applications which are difficult for a rewriting under different platforms and are heavy for Web. AK> the Percentage share of those applications on a desktop of the average user can count? How many there zero will be after a comma? Looking at what market to be guided. Customized applications stand , and demand is. AK> at "the average user" now even JRE already most likely is not present on a desktop. Even for JavaFX, not that that for Swing. For such developers I suggest to train for a new profession in JavaScript-developpery. Unambiguously. We will have still tons , but on all platforms simultaneously. AK>>> so Java and to learn. A server part. iZEN>> why only the server? Than it is bad  a part? AK> to you already repeatedly about it told. AK> operations for   are not present. From hundred vacancies on Java, 95 anyhow it will be twisted around Android or Spring/JEE. Those 5 in which there will be an exotic like Swing/JavaFX, will imply support of any Mr. of a mammoth in large and slow offices. , of course, and on Kobol or there the Fortran operation can be found. But to learn Kobol today sense already is not present, the train left. You all standard stack of Java-technologies at once write down in Legacy. Do not wait, while them declare deprecated. AK> the Last some years all it goes aside REST, microservices, . The last three-four years still in large quantities spread in clouds. It that it is necessary to master today a beginner not to remain without operation the next years. It is all "foam", excuse me, "", lifted by that who deduces half-baked technologies on the market that them  and to merge. AK> sheaf JavaScript + Java + SQL it that is required from the full-stack  in most cases. . Only JavaScript here - only for developers , going on change JavaServer Face and other RIA-clients. Because for Java this  language - auxiliary and minor. AK>>> on a desktop  so plainly also did not appear. iZEN>> thanks to such, as you. Excuse, but such as you humiliate technology which up to the end did not understand. AK> be not rude. AK>   I am not involved in a dip. At me and the alibi is. Trends in ajti-technologies are set not by me. iZEN>> translate arrows to alternative decisions, it is ready more  and . You suggest to program on  language in a mode of "hand-to-hand fight" AK> I?. I do not offer. I state. AK> on me, a dzhava-script - almost the most disgusting language from all with which I had to work. Different superstructures like TypeScript do it hardly by more suitable for development, but also in such variant me from a web all the same . So what for to advise a shit it is primary? That  also it became opposite from it after the first spoon? AK>>> or Androidnyj UI, but there already leave from Java aside Kotlin. iZEN>> Anybody anywhere on Android does not leave, the majority sit in place exactly. AK> about as. You at all do not read technical news? AK> https://developer.android.com/kotlin/index.html AK> "Kotlin is now an official language on Android." iZEN>> Kotlin it is yet ready and hardly will be when or it is ready for production-ready. AK> Android already creeps on Kotlin. Spring Framework since recently quitted version too generally write on Kotline. AK> At you any representations about prodakshn-redi. Here when write on Kotlin something more or less made and  then we estimate. AK> you at all do not know, what there is " a developer" on ? Seriously? Seriously, for what in full-stack Java-technologies I got JavaScript did not understand. Generally, is native  Groovy, "recommended" in Web - and not only development on Java.

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Hello, copypaste, you wrote: a C> Hello, iZEN, you wrote: iZEN>> Function objects ( - calculation,  - expressions), the functional interfaces of a C> Then is better not to suffer, and at once on scala or kotlin at least. Not to suffer, it is necessary studies as a web macaque. Though is not present - it is possible not to learn - to pick at random template codes  and in  to lay out AT ONCE, WITHOUT THINKING.

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Hello, copypaste, you wrote: a C> Hello, iZEN, you wrote: iZEN>> "JSF 2.3 is the designated user interface standard for Java EE 8. It went final on 17 April 2017." The C> This hellish shit and that that it is in the standard  does not change. This hellish shit at least works how is conceived, accompanied by leaders of branch and gives in to testing. GIV>>> yes  there to learn? New branch-> Commit-> Push-> Merge, from time to time Pull and Merge. To repeat hundred times. iZEN>> "Herak,  and in "?"A C> At what here" in  "? To disassemble with  well day it is necessary, that there to learn? To understand with wrong technicians dvcs it is necessary to spend one day with Git - so more precisely. For acquisition of fundamental knowledge, it is necessary to rummage nevertheless in Mercurial for it is evident and it is more clear.

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Hello, Cyberax, you wrote: a C> Hello, iZEN, you wrote: ZEN>> Function objects ( - calculation,  - expressions), the functional interfaces, flows for operation with collections (stream), a packet java.util.concurrent, JDBC, nio.2, Swing, Java FX, RxJava, Process API, JUnit, Java Microbenchmark Harness (JMH), the protocol of interaction HTTP 2.0 and its support in Java, new AOT-compiler Graal, jigsaw. Assembly system Maven. Management system the distributed development Mercurial. To understand essence of the application-oriented tasks solved by means of Java (for example, Apache Spark, application server WildFly etc.). A C> Unnecessary it is crossed out. Thanks that you deprive of a competition of masters - to it extra mouths to feed to what.

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Hello, koenig, you wrote: iZEN>> And here an operation sentence? Unless to learn dictates statistican from a site hh.ru? Then let's take more representative sampling from Tiobe. That there. K> certainly dictates. hh.ru are live vacancies. These are GARBAGE vacancies. On such sites good vacancies are closed at once as soon as give all the best. Garbage and cheap hang weeks. K> that there is written - that and is necessary. No. K> that is not written is a hobby. You to pension plan to work on 1 operation? Tell, you believe all that is written, and do not believe what is not written?

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K>> certainly dictates. hh.ru are live vacancies. ZEN> it is GARBAGE vacancies. On such sites good vacancies are closed at once as soon as give all the best. Garbage and cheap hang weeks. Well means we birds of different flight, I stop

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Hello, koenig, you wrote: a C>> Unnecessary it is crossed out. K> thanks! K> and how db? I do not use SQL a DB years 5 as. Also I know many other programmers in a similar situation. I.e. the nobility was specific SQL (JDBC, Hibernate...) any more is not mandatory.

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Hello, iZEN, you wrote: the C>> This hellish shit and that that it is in the standard  does not change. ZEN> this hellish shit at least works how is conceived, accompanied by leaders of branch and gives in to testing. ROTLFLOLOLLOL! I wait for announcements that J2ME is the checked industrial standard and upstarts of type of Androida is for pioneers. ZEN> to understand with wrong technicians dvcs it is necessary to spend one day with Git - so more precisely. ZEN> for acquisition of fundamental knowledge, it is necessary to rummage nevertheless in Mercurial for it is evident and it is more clear. LOLODLOLROLROLROLROL.

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Hello, Cyberax, you wrote: a C> Hello, iZEN, you wrote: the C>>> This hellish shit and that that it is in the standard  does not change. iZEN>> this hellish shit at least works how is conceived, accompanied by leaders of branch and gives in to testing. A C> ROTLFLOLOLLOL! A C> I Wait for announcements that J2ME is the checked industrial standard and upstarts of type of Androida is for pioneers. Read fresh log: http://www.javamagazine.mozaicreader.co … amp;page=0 Android is not Java, though and  similar on Java a programming language and assembly methods.

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Hello, iZEN, you wrote: the C>> Then is better not to suffer, and at once on scala or kotlin at least. ZEN> not to suffer, it is necessary studies as a web macaque. Though is not present - it is possible not to learn - to pick at random template codes  and in  to lay out AT ONCE, WITHOUT THINKING. I meant that in  it is type "! At last made lambdas" thus that under jvm there are tools where under this all is initially ground. At what here macaques and ?

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Hello, iZEN, you wrote: ZEN> This hellish shit at least works how is conceived, accompanied by leaders of branch and gives in to testing.  so it and has been conceived ZEN> to understand with wrong technicians dvcs it is necessary to spend one day with Git - so more precisely. ZEN> for acquisition of fundamental knowledge, it is necessary to rummage nevertheless in Mercurial for it is evident and it is more clear. To work with  in practice there is enough that pull/push/commit well and merge. Yes there there are more many any interesting pieces, but in 99 % of cases it is not necessary, and when it is necessary is googled for a minute. About techniques it you about what? All is already invented: you take git flow or variants to taste and forward. And here too it is not necessary to study anything if you under "in learning an expert" do not mean half an hour-hours to spend for article (which full)

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Hello, iZEN, you wrote: a C>> I Wait for announcements that J2ME is the checked industrial standard and upstarts of type of Androida is for pioneers. ZEN> read fresh log: http://www.javamagazine.mozaicreader.co … amp;page=0 And so whence these "Witnesses of IegovySolaris" creep out! And what there J2ME is not present? Or  even a giraffe started to reach what to push to developers badly  corpses it it is somehow ugly? ZEN> Android is not Java, though and  similar on Java a programming language and assembly methods. On ideological purity all . In practice it Java or compatible to it Kotlin.

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Hello, GarryIV, you wrote: GIV> Now 2017 and  applications in large quantities on JS, besides I do not want to argue well it or it is bad but that is that is. Educate,  how  applications on JS are written? It  language for a browser...

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Hello, Artem Korneev, you wrote: AK> GUI on the basis of JavaScript now everywhere. AK> That Java that.Net left for a long time on  and stick out therefrom in the form of REST-services. What communication between GUI and REST-services? What for to write GUI on JS and how generally it is possible to do it? Explain, , or the link give?

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Hello, Cyberax, you wrote: a C> I do not use SQL a DB years 5 as. Also I know many other programmers in a similar situation. A C> I.e. the nobility was specific SQL (JDBC, Hibernate...) any more is not mandatory. Why? In this connection?

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Hello, developer, you wrote: GIV>> Now 2017 and  applications in large quantities on JS, besides I do not want to argue well it or it is bad but that is that is. D> Educate,  how  applications on JS are written? It  language for a browser... With : https://electronjs.org/

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Hello, developer, you wrote: a C>> I do not use SQL a DB years 5 as. Also I know many other programmers in a similar situation. A C>> I.e. the nobility was specific SQL (JDBC, Hibernate...) any more is not mandatory. D> why? In this connection? Because it is possible to work many years on real projects, generally thus without concerning SQL.

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Hello, developer, you wrote: AK>> That Java that.Net left for a long time on  and stick out therefrom in the form of REST-services. D> what communication between GUI and REST-services? What for to write GUI on JS and how generally it is possible to do it? Here it is a question of web applications. Web applications, in the absolute majority, client server. Here Java in this case - on the server. And on the client - always JavaScript because the browser is not able to fulfill anything else. There are two basic approaches for  GUI in such applications: - UI it is generated Java by the code (JSP for , ASP.NET in a case ), the browser receives generated automatically JavaScript. - UI it is written completely on JavaScript (with usage various ) iZEN prefers the first scenario. I specify that the second scenario became standard. In both these scenarios the data from the server to the client and reversely, as a rule, is transferred in format JSON, the server is made out in the form of the REST-server.

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Hello, Artem Korneev, you wrote: AK> Hello, developer, you wrote: AK>>> That Java that.Net left for a long time on  and stick out therefrom in the form of REST-services. D>> what communication between GUI and REST-services? What for to write GUI on JS and how generally it is possible to do it? AK> Here it is a question of web applications. Web applications, in the absolute majority, client server. Here Java in this case - on the server. And on the client - always JavaScript because the browser is not able to fulfill anything else. AK> there are two basic approaches for  GUI in such applications: AK> - UI it is generated Java by the code (JSP for , ASP.NET in a case ), the browser receives generated automatically JavaScript. AK> - UI it is written completely on JavaScript (with usage various ) AK> iZEN prefers the first scenario. I specify that the second scenario became standard. I generally prefer that is better lays down on programming language Java. JavaScript - lays down on it badly, therefore it is closed  JSF - let with it those who writes for the Java-programmer , instead of application-oriented Java-programmers understand. Because differently if  get to correct the script pens, it is not enough of that good it turns out -  they to it, the head in another way works. AK> in both these scenarios the data from the server to the client and reversely, as a rule, is transferred in format JSON, the server is made out in the form of the REST-server. Why you consider, what on client side there should be is mandatory a JavaScript-client? What, others () client applications suddenly without  an engine ceased to work? "Thick" clients on Swing (launched on the client as high-grade application) which use RMI for interaction with business logic bins on the server were popular enough in due time.