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Topic: Ubuntu vs Debian

Kind time of days, dear colleagues! I am familiar with Debianom already more than one and a half years (here the beginning of an epopee: http://rsdn.org/forum/unix/6421270.1 the Author: AlexGin Date: 19.04.16) I then delivered Linux Debian v8.4. Half a year installed Debian v8.8 as on operation, and at home back. I work (when there are creative bursts) in given OS. I use stable version Debian. I, certainly, in course that executing commands of the manager of packets: # apt-get update # apt-get upgrade Beforehand  a file:/etc/apt/sources.list it is possible to download fresh updates for installed OS Linux. But, nevertheless, always it would be desirable to "feel" the new version the hands Personally to me Debian it was pleasant, though my fellow workers, for researches and creativity on Linux, prefer Ubuntu (though in operation at us the main OS Win7) more. Rather recently - I found out that there was release Linux Debian v9.2.1 (here from here I downloaded it one of these days: https://www.debian.org/CD and already prepared an installation flash card). However, responses on it - me discourage a little: https://habrahabr.ru/post/343906 I found out recently that in Debian 9 command adduser by default creates users with the rights to the house directories, installed in 0755. I explain: files and folders of the normal users created thus, are visible to ALL. To correct it it is possible in a file/etc/adduser.conf, only who will climb there Well and more many any bugs on a trifle, beginning falling Libreoffice (yet you will not delete a packet libreoffice-gtk) and finishing that at the assembly of an image LTSP is a lot of that automatically is not installed, though should (for example, packets of localization Firefox). So now I Debian will recommend to nobody (and it is a pity, after all earlier it was stable as mountain, in it was most of all packets and architecture of processors). For one users it too difficult, for others - too unstable and crude. Itself I use Fedora 26, to parents on  delivered recently Ubuntu 17.10 At the given stage - that more preferably Ubuntu or Debian? Thanks, for "the not most brushed" ideas! P.S. I plan to put in Dual-boot; but I will consider also a setting variant on .

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Hello, AlexGin, you wrote: AG> At the given stage - that is more preferable Ubuntu or Debian? AG> Thanks, for "the not most brushed" ideas! Well same purely psychological choice. If you want to twist itself all adjustments Debian If you you want that it all - Ubunta is better. AG> P.S. I plan to put in Dual-boot; but I will consider also a setting variant on .  it is better, because you can work with both in one stage. And to experiment less terribly.

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Hello, alpha21264, you wrote: A> Well same purely psychological choice. A> if you want to twist itself all adjustments Debian is better, A> If you want, that it all - Ubunta. I such here found an interesting material: https://losst.ru/chem-otlichaetsya-ubuntu-ot-debian A> Virtualka is better, because can work with both in one stage. A> and to experiment less terribly. Well give we will be defined that means "terribly", under conditions: 1) more or less valuable information  as on several (at least three) computers, and on portable HDD. 2) Actions over Debian Th  on its file system ext4. IMHO that Debian "filled up" NTFS (where there live Windows), it still it is necessary to manage 3) Is a live-loading disk (or a flash card) with which help it is possible sometimes even to recover Linux. I on operation had a similar case. 4) Krajnyj a variant - to reinstall Linux, thus (as it was specified above), all a little important  to be stored on NTFS and . 5) Always, at any experiments, there is an additional computer (stationary or ), not enveloped by experiment in case something suddenly goes not according to plan.

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Hello, AlexGin, you wrote: AG> AG> I found out recently that in Debian 9 command adduser by default creates users with the rights to the house directories, installed in 0755. AG> At me  1610 near by - there the same hogwash. But yes, it is treated easily. AG> at the given stage - that is more preferable Ubuntu or Debian? As about any (any) , all is reduced to presence of the software necessary to you. For example, NVIDIA lets out CUDA for Fedora and Ubuntu, and the majority of a software for Raspberry Pi becomes counting on Raspbian (i.e. Debian). I.e., of course, any.deb and.rpm it is possible  in any , but to be at war with dependences to you. The dial-up different window manager in standard repositories still can differ, but 95 from 100 will be in both. As a whole - on a drum, a difference minimum.

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AlexGin: AG> P.S. I plan to put in Dual-boot; but I will consider also a setting variant on . Except , the second (and subsequent) can be launched axes in chroot + debootstrap. However, for start gui it is necessary to adjust somehow  in a separate window, not . Even such things as qemu user + foreign debootstrap - to install in the separate directory  for other processor are possible. I with these things was played some years ago, something can since then changed...

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Hello, respected velkin! Many thanks, for the torn and informative answer. I will be guided on Debian v8.9.

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Hello, AlexGin, you wrote: AG> Many thanks, for the torn and informative answer. AG> I will be guided on Debian v8.9. If the eight simply it is not necessary to do "apt-get dist-upgrade" at adjustments stable yet (current stable release now 9) or stretch (9 version is specified explicitly) is installed, and as a whole it is better to leave in adjustments jessie (8 version is specified explicitly). While simply to update the eight, and then when the nine ripens, it will be possible to pass to it the above-stated command. Though distribution kit update entirely on the new version can demand operation with the console (ctrl+alt+f1),  metapackets manually (like kde-full) and so on. That is, if something is incorrectly made, the system will throw out in the console and there it will be necessary to finish so to say.

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Hello, AlexGin, you wrote: A>> Virtualka is better, because can work with both in one stage. A>> and to experiment less terribly. AG> well give we will be defined that means "terribly", under conditions: "terribly" it when you change disk partitions that can happens some times if you cannot be defined with the distribution kit. Even if at you direct hands all these , setting and other to do boringly enough as you not Sheridan and deal with this economy not every day. I for example each time long think, adding disks in a house server with NAS th on llvm. In  except convenience and safety, there is still a heap of pluses: all equipment there works, is , the machine can be lifted on other computer if an upgrade or broke that.  At the moment dual-but it makes sense only if it is necessary to work densely with the videocard.

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Hello, respected velkin! I downloaded this image of a disk: debian-live-8.9.0-amd64-kde-desktop.iso prepared (in Windows, by means of utility Rufus) a load flash card and  from it. Earlier I was installed (also by a flash card) with DVD-1 a packet amd64 (the environment of a desktop did not change - took that that on-default). Now - opened for itself Debian, with other person (with person KDE). I imported to a file/etc/apt/sources.list next lines: deb http://mirror.yandex.ru/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free deb-src http://mirror.yandex.ru/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free deb http://mirror.yandex.ru/debian-multimedia/ jessie main non-free deb-src http://mirror.yandex.ru/debian-multimedia/ jessie main non-free deb http://mirror.yandex.ru/debian-security/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://mirror.yandex.ru/debian-security/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free after that fulfilled: # apt-get update # apt-get upgrade after performance of the given commands, the system was successfully updated. A question on a course of the given actions: Than as a result the system installed on the computer of the user with DVD-1 of a packet amd64 (debian-8.9.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso) of differs that I received at installation since an image of a disk: debian-live-8.9.0-amd64-kde-desktop.iso (live-CD installation)? Whether I can to work, program in the same QtCreator if the system is installed with debian-live CD (flash cards)? P.S. I saw the given material: https://www.debian.org/CD/live/#choose_live and attentively studied it. It turns out, what it is possible to install Debian c live-CD and it will be almost same, as well as with DVD-1 (except for insignificant applications for me)? Or I understand something not truly?

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Hello, AlexGin, you wrote: AG> the Question on a course of the given actions: AG> Than as a result the system installed on the computer of the user with DVD-1 of a packet amd64 (debian-8.9.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso) from those differs, AG> that I received at installation since an image of a disk: debian-live-8.9.0-amd64-kde-desktop.iso (live-CD installation)? Anything. Whether AG> I can to work, program in the same QtCreator if the system is installed with debian-live CD (flash cards)? Yes AG> It turns out, what it is possible to install Debian c live-CD and it will be almost same, AG> as well as with DVD-1 (except for insignificant applications for me)? AG> Or I understand something not truly? - Always it is possible to deliver everything that was not in liv-distre through aptitude/apt-get avalon/2.0.3

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Hello, AlexGin, you wrote: AG> It turns out, what it is possible to install Debian c live-CD and it will be almost same, AG> as well as with DVD-1 (except for insignificant applications for me)? AG> Or I understand something not truly? From the point of view of setting it is all almost one and too, it is not important to install from what, then it will be possible to deliver all. The command "apt-get update" needs to be launched after update of the list of repositories "/etc/apt/sources.list". And "apt-get upgrade" updates packets, downloads, dearchives, configures and so on, the development scenario is sewn up in a file *.deb. For example, there was at us distribution kit Debian 8.1, and current low version 8.9. Numbering of versions: the First of them - the high version (major), the second - low (minor), the third - small changes (maintenance, micro). We update the list "apt-get update" and we put new packets  old concerning the version 8.9.x, or better to say simply the last. If in the list of repositories to write stable then it will be considered as analog of current stable release, that is now it is high version 9. Or it is possible to register it explicitly, that is stretch. If we did not want to reinstall OS from zero updated the list of repositories specifying in 9 version and launched a command "apt-get dist-upgrade" then at us update to the newest high version, and then also to the newest low went. Therefore before setting it is reasonable to download the newest distribution kit of desirable major release, but it is not mandatory. That in Debian that in others GNU/Linux it is possible to produce migration from the version to the version. Simply migration of low versions practically is not noticeable, and here seniors "apt-get dist-upgrade" nevertheless is small event. As to DVD it contains more packets, and it only the first disk, and there is a lot of them. But they practically become outdated at once, therefore if the local repository is necessary it is necessary to use apt-mirror. At it the adjustments as how to swing, and in "/etc/apt/sources.list" the local repository on a disk, instead of a repository from the Internet then registers. Very conveniently on a notebook if the Internet is not present or it slow, unpacking with SSD happens very quickly. As a result there is CD, is DVD, but it is better Live because such distribution kit allows to come in Debian on the computer on which it is not installed. Differently a flash card or other carrier on which such distribution kit is written down allows to service the computer means Debian, to change disk partitions, to recover grub and much another. Still I recommend to remember such command, as "apt-cache search". If at update of the list of repositories "apt-get update" the program starts to swear on absence of signatures then it is possible to make so "apt-cache search keyring". There there will be different packets, but for my configuration, that which in "/etc/apt/sources.list" suffices: apt-get install debian-keyring debian-archive-keyring deb-multimedia-keyring Typed manually, whether therefore I do not know works, but as already wrote above, it is possible to use search in packets. Basically it is logical to put right after setting Debian these packets. As to other adjustments of repositories like "deb cdrom: [Debian GNU/Linux 8 _Jessie_-..." That can be deleted them at once as are not necessary. And one more nuance, we put that an old packet, it is configured, and then there is new, and at us for a new packet an old configuration, that is to us not always suggest to change a configuration, but we can sometimes want it. On this case there is a command dpkg-reconfigure which allows  packets that is as whether it be we put them from zero. Thus it is possible to migrate from the version to the version, for example, 6.x => 7.x => 8.x => 9.x and so on not   from the installation distribution kit. And migration in high versions also is not so noticeable provided that the stable branch is used, in which programs practically do not change the versions throughout all life of the high version, that is the reconfiguration is not necessary. All this time developers correct the found out jambs, plus is created by safety updates. Not all understand that more than two years between releases, and as a matter of fact are even more, as support of the old version goes any time and after an output new that leads to fair obsolescence of a software, just and it is necessary to achieve stability of preferentially all programs entering into the current high version. People as though  about reliability, but are not able to use, and start to install just created distribution kit of the high version. And still it is possible to put the newest versions of unstable packets, that is here it the decision of obsolescence of programs, only then it is not necessary to cry, if something took off or somehow on another .

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Hello, AlexGin, you wrote: to the Thicket on servers and in the docker a host - , on a desktop a host - . If on the contrary that can not understand. But so was while  the.NET did not start to saw under . For example   support of the SQL Server for  only in Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Well and in  more than processor architecture if full is necessary   it is frequent if  on  with untouched sources.list will be compiled and work everywhere.