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Re: You will not work - there will be no means of subsistence?

Hello, RussianFellow, you wrote: RF> it is interesting, dear colleagues, whether the statement is true, what if will not work, there will be no means of subsistence? RF> or, generally speaking, it not so? Generally speaking, not so. We take typical Moscow news about the Moscow unemployed: At the jobless Muscovite stole Bentley for 11 million roubles. Besides, Hitler did not work, and look, he achieved what success! Stalin did not work anywhere, Lenin - did not work. Even Putin - and that did not work. Served - yes, but the service is not operation as it is not directed on extraction of advantage or creation of any favor.

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Hello, RussianFellow, you wrote: RF> it is interesting, dear colleagues, whether the statement is true, what if will not work, there will be no means of subsistence?  to you, brotherhood, a name of the Lord of our Jesus Christ to be deleted from any brother arriving , instead of under the legend which accepted from us for you know how you should imitate us; for we did not commit excesses at you at anybody did not eat some bread for nothing, but were engaged in work and  night and day not to burden whom from you, - not therefore that we had no power but that to give to you in a sample for imitation us. For when we were at you,  to you this: if who does not want to work, that and do not eat (c) . Pavel.

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Hello, Pzz, you wrote: Pzz> (c) . Pavel. It is all clearly. But we do not consider that the mankind wrote to itself and invented.

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Hello, Dimonka, you wrote: D> Thus that at a socialism the operating work that the idle could not work. The socialism it not that society where not interested persons can work not to work. D> it is possible and so. But the statement "if you will not work, there will be no means of subsistence" becomes incorrect. Probably, but a socialism here not at affairs. It is capitalism pays off from superfluous people. So they manage to a society more cheaply. While is cheaper.

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Hello, Glory, you wrote: Generally speaking, not so. We take typical Moscow news about the Moscow unemployed: At the jobless Muscovite stole Bentley for 11 million roubles. Not the fact that in a police report was "unemployed", it is more probable "anywhere not working". It simply singularities of our militian office-work, the victim did not name a place of operation and did not name itself the businessman, means anywhere not working.

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Hello, Dead Down, you wrote: > It is all clearly. But we do not consider that the mankind wrote to itself and invented. And as concept the mankind not wrote operation to itself and invented?

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P> It simply singularities of our militian office-work are faster it so journalists for no reason do title attracting in.

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Hello, Dead Down, you wrote: > 2) Why I am obliged to work? On mine here  it is not valid. The monkey after all does not work. The monkey searches to itself for livelihood, protects flight from enemies and generally  to laws of the flight. The monkey who so does not do, quickly dies. > 4) it was pleasant To me in the USSR that there was an earnings scale of charges. This certain approach to valid allocation  means. The person making the most useful operation (for the state? Or?) receives most, accordingly the person doing useless on this planet receives a banana. The earnings scale of charges put the salary in dependence on a post title, instead of on usefulness of the operation produced by the given person

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Hello, Qt-Coder, you wrote: QC> Bibizjany live in a warm climate where it is possible to do nothing (not to build the house not to bring heating), to sow to plow and it is stupid  bananas from a palm tree. At some instant bananas on a palm tree come to an end, and then it is necessary to stamp stupidly on  to the earth in search of other palm tree. Beating off in process as from interested persons to eat all bananas from that other, new palm tree, and from interested persons to eat a monkey. I will work as the programmer in a cozy seat better, than I will search for bananas in jungle, the full wild hungry animals. QC> and generally the idea of communism was correct - from everyone on the ability, everyone on need. Simply the communism was strangled by capitalists, but it for a short while. Not so clearly, who defines these needs.

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Hello, Pzz, you wrote: Pzz> it is not so clear, who defines these needs. On idea you also define. Here the machine is necessary to you - go and take. Meal simply you take from a counter free of charge. Etc.

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: P> Not the fact that in a police report was "unemployed", it is more probable "anywhere not working". It simply singularities of our militian office-work, the victim did not name a place of operation and did not name itself the businessman, means anywhere not working. So you are right, but after all not all are called as the unemployed. Moreover, "anywhere not working, but on Bentley" too sounds somehow h'm... The Favourite heading of capital mass-media: "the Unemployed also that at them stole." Four robbers in masks attacked for two jobless men in the southeast of Moscow and two bags took away from them. For neutralization of victims, it in the person scattered from pepper . One of the largest gop-stops in the history became the total: in man purses were stored 700 thousand dollars - almost 41 million roubles. It is required to the standard jobless Muscovite of all 1182 to save this total on manuals. On air a heading "jobless Muscovites and their losses". At not employed inhabitant of Barvikha stole from a country house hours for 50 million. The amount of damage actually is slightly more - 50 million and 400 thousand roubles more. However excited soul of the on the grant lady boilers GRAFF. All remaining in announcement has been marked as "any jeweler trifle". A victim of robbers - the former wife of the billionaire and the constant visitor of lists "Forbs" Andrey Komarova. Not such you and the unemployed, the girlfriend. The cleaner of Gazprom with a handbag for 2 million roubles has now an ideological girlfriend and the competitor. At the manager of children's polyclinic in Moscow suburbs stole the car. The machine truth, not the most simple. Mercedes Benz S63 for 7 million roubles. The girl addressed in police, criminal case is got. Well, what not the unemployed.

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: P> Hello, Dimonka, you wrote: D>> Thus that at a socialism the operating work that the idle could not work. P> a socialism it not that society where not interested persons can work not to work. D>> it is possible and so. But the statement "if you will not work, there will be no means of subsistence" becomes incorrect. P> it is possible, but a socialism here not at affairs. It is capitalism pays off from superfluous people. So they manage to a society more cheaply. While is cheaper. And a socialism - it different. In many countries of Western Europe now a socialism. Simply it not such what was in the USSR.

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Hello, RussianFellow, you wrote: P>> It is capitalism pays off from superfluous people. So they manage to a society more cheaply. While is cheaper. Besides actually jobless which want to work and cannot find operation, exist as well people who do not want to work. In the USSR such people forced to work (article for parasitism). And in countries of Western Europe of such people contains the state. In my opinion, this reasonable decision.

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S> "Gop-stop" too some kind of operation. And unsafe, in the street and with people... Public work

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A> And what to do, if they die before you? In 50 years will find operation more heavily. With a stipulation - that it was pleasant. And so - the watchman, the yard keeper, the cleaner. It will be possible to live in the theory also 50-year-old quite there take.

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RF> it is interesting, dear colleagues, whether the statement is true, what if will not work, there will be no means of subsistence? RF> or, generally speaking, it not so? It is possible to go to a monastery. Only to work there force

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Hello, Qt-Coder, you wrote: Pzz>> it is not so clear, who defines these needs. QC> on idea you also define. Here the machine is necessary to you - go and take. Meal simply you take from a counter free of charge. Etc. And if the plane is necessary to me? And still a steamship and personal island in Pacific ocean?

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Hello, RussianFellow, you wrote: RF> And a socialism - it different. For different concepts there should be different terms not to mislead each other,  or is deliberate.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: D>> Thus that at a socialism the operating work that the idle could not work. P> a socialism it not that society where not interested persons can work not to work. D>> it is possible and so. But the statement "if you will not work, there will be no means of subsistence" becomes incorrect. P> it is possible, but a socialism here not at affairs. It is capitalism pays off from superfluous people. So they manage to a society more cheaply. While is cheaper. Capitalists became humane, they cannot stop to starve to death people. And it is registered in laws, it is promised by politicians when go on choices, thanks to it capitalism and becomes a socialism. In practice it turns out not as it is conceived at Marx, it is simple because those socialist theories slightly .

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Hello, Pzz, you wrote: Pzz> And if the plane is necessary to me? And still a steamship and personal island in Pacific ocean? If interested persons will be is more worthy islands a little you should prove who. By socialist competition the best is defined.

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Hello, RussianFellow, you wrote: RF> it is interesting, dear colleagues, whether the statement is true, what if will not work, there will be no means of subsistence? RF> or, generally speaking, it not so? Otherwise. You will not invest - all life you will work.

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Hello, Unforgiver, you wrote: _>> In general yes, but there are nuances it is possible to Steal for example or the inheritance to receive. U> to steal too operation. To the thief to work , not?

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Hello, Qt-Coder, you wrote: Pzz>> And if the plane is necessary to me? And still a steamship and personal island in Pacific ocean? QC> if interested persons will be is more worthy islands a little you should prove who. By socialist competition the best is defined. And how to compare, who is better, and who is worse?

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Hello, stomsky, you wrote: S> too some kind of operation. And unsafe, in the street and with people... Or so

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Hello, Qt-Coder, you wrote: QC> And generally the idea of communism was correct - from everyone on the ability, everyone on need. Simply the communism was strangled by capitalists, but it for a short while. And I thought - he choked, at a stage "education of the new person" (which meaningly moderates the needs and raises possibilities).