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Topic: Bilirubin level in blood at newborns

Probably, many know about such problem: a physiological jaundice If it is short, bilirubin - a decay product . At first indirect bilirubin which in a liver will be transformed in a straight line is formed and then deduced from an organism together with a chair. The problem that at the newborn the liver is not developed and cannot copes big kol-vom indirect bilirubin. Thus indirect bilirubin wanders by birth and carries out everything what reaches. At worst (concentration> 342 mkmol/l), it can reach a brain. And then at the child the nuclear jaundice with any special effects (of which not to think better) develops. And a threshold, which I resulted (342) - it very debatable if to study a question more deeply. Somewhere the big digits, somewhere - smaller are resulted. Now there are exactly two methods of lowering of indirect bilirubin - phototherapy (when the child lies under an ultraviolet) and exchange blood transfusion. Blood transfusion is led, when bilirubin level very high (which different digits - besides , everywhere are resulted). At us now bilirubin reached level 320 (it under a lamp), and doctors and are not scratched. Remains practically nothing to a critical mark. Talked to the doctor - he says that a pier this digit (342) is at the moment reconsidered towards magnification and to worry in our case it is not necessary, but to make links to these recommendations was at a loss. If to esteem about consequences  encephalopathies it is difficult to remain quiet. Therefore would like to ask local audience what you faced what digits at your children. Differently, whether it is time to start to twitch or all not so it is bad, how it seems to me?

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Hello, LaPerouse, you wrote: LP> Probably, many know about such problem: physiological jaundice LP> And a threshold, which I resulted (342) - it very debatable if to study a question more deeply. Somewhere the big digits, somewhere - smaller are resulted. Now there are exactly two methods of lowering of indirect bilirubin - phototherapy (when the child lies under an ultraviolet) and exchange blood transfusion. Blood transfusion is led, when bilirubin level very high (which different digits - besides , everywhere are resulted). You panic, and even attentively did not read. The ultraviolet there is not present. There lamps of Dark blue light, with length of a wave 410-460 nanometers

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Hello, LaPerouse, you wrote: LP> At us now bilirubin reached level 320 (it under a lamp), and doctors and are not scratched. Remains practically nothing to a critical mark. Talked to the doctor - he says that a pier this digit (342) is at the moment reconsidered towards magnification and to worry in our case it is not necessary, but to make links to these recommendations was at a loss. If to esteem about consequences  encephalopathies it is difficult to remain quiet. Therefore would like to ask local audience what you faced what digits at your children. Differently, whether it is time to start to twitch or all not so it is bad, how it seems to me? Is mandatory lash out at them, let move.

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Hello, LaPerouse, you wrote: LP> At us now bilirubin reached level 320 (it under a lamp), and doctors and are not scratched. Remains practically nothing to a critical mark. Talked to the doctor - he says that a pier this digit (342) is at the moment reconsidered towards magnification and to worry in our case it is not necessary, but to make links to these recommendations was at a loss. If to esteem about consequences  encephalopathies it is difficult to remain quiet. Therefore would like to ask local audience what you faced what digits at your children. Differently, whether it is time to start to twitch or all not so it is bad, how it seems to me? If you do not trust the doctor - descend to the second, to the third

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Hello, LaPerouse, you wrote: LP> Probably, many know about such problem: physiological jaundice LP> If it is short, bilirubin - a decay product . At first indirect bilirubin which in a liver will be transformed in a straight line is formed and then deduced from an organism together with a chair. The problem that at the newborn the liver is not developed and cannot copes big kol-vom indirect bilirubin. Thus indirect bilirubin wanders by birth and carries out everything what reaches. At worst (concentration> 342 mkmol/l), it can reach a brain. And then at the child the nuclear jaundice with any special effects (of which not to think better) develops. LP> And a threshold, which I resulted (342) - it very debatable if to study a question more deeply. Somewhere the big digits, somewhere - smaller are resulted. Now there are exactly two methods of lowering of indirect bilirubin - phototherapy (when the child lies under an ultraviolet) and exchange blood transfusion. Blood transfusion is led, when bilirubin level very high (which different digits - besides , everywhere are resulted). LP> At us now bilirubin reached level 320 (it under a lamp), and doctors and are not scratched. Remains practically nothing to a critical mark. Talked to the doctor - he says that a pier this digit (342) is at the moment reconsidered towards magnification and to worry in our case it is not necessary, but to make links to these recommendations was at a loss. If to esteem about consequences  encephalopathies it is difficult to remain quiet. Therefore would like to ask local audience what you faced what digits at your children. Differently, whether it is time to start to twitch or all not so it is bad, how it seems to me? Here among colleagues hardly you find . My daughter too had a raised bilirubin, not for the first days, whether and on the third that, at what at us with it different blood types and a Rhesus factor factors (at me 3 minus, at it 1 plus),  digits can - not precisely tell was almost ten years ago. It lay under a lamp, brought on feeding only. Was specific the question about digits set on https://forums.rusmedserv.com

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LP> At us now bilirubin reached level 320 (it under a lamp), and doctors and are not scratched. Remains practically nothing to a critical mark. Talked to the doctor - he says that a pier this digit (342) is at the moment reconsidered towards magnification and to worry in our case it is not necessary, but to make links to these recommendations was at a loss. If to esteem about consequences  encephalopathies it is difficult to remain quiet. Therefore would like to ask local audience what you faced what digits at your children. Differently, whether it is time to start to twitch or all not so it is bad, how it seems to me? At us under a lamp did not put, it was necessary to feed with compounds more (milk then was a little very much, the first child), bilirubin with fibers like as communicates, as soon as started to feed strenuously I will splice downwards went

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Hello, LaPerouse, you wrote: LP> Differently, whether it is time to start to twitch or all not so it is bad, how it seems to me? At me ruined the child. Was high , it had the second +, poured time 4 or 5 the first + The former physician, the colleague in transfusion told, yes it is wrong, but the inference that not correctly poured anybody the inference will not give,  1st reserve. In general result from a jaundice heavy form . Also talked, very long ago already with  the colleague, about 4-5 or more years ago, she was perturbed that very much lifted "norms" , on the American pointer (what that documents saw on revising of norms), was very strongly perturbed, but since now for treatment pays insurance, treat it cannot as earlier, differently all medicines and procedures from the pocket should be paid.

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Hello, LaPerouse, you wrote: LP> At us now bilirubin reached level 320 (it under a lamp), and doctors and are not scratched. Remains practically nothing to a critical mark. Talked to the doctor - he says that a pier this digit (342) is at the moment reconsidered towards magnification and to worry in our case it is not necessary, but to make links to these recommendations was at a loss. If to esteem about consequences  encephalopathies it is difficult to remain quiet. Therefore would like to ask local audience what you faced what digits at your children. Differently, whether it is time to start to twitch or all not so it is bad, how it seems to me? It is a lot of, here truth one moment is. Than it measured and how many now to the child. It is possible to do samplings by the instrument which type , defines on a skin of the child. At it an error big. At least it is necessary to hand over blood. And to hand over two times and to look to dynamics. The main thing that \ would fall. Maximum level that I when or heard, was 220 at acquaintances. Certainly the child lay under lamps. : do not leave the child of one in hospital under a lamp, to workers who receive 10   on another's children. With these lamps old it is necessary to be very careful, overheating of the child is very dangerous. On new lamps there is a control of temperature of the child.

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Hello, AWSVladimir, you wrote: AWS> Hello, LaPerouse, you wrote: LP>> Differently, whether it is time to start to twitch or all not so it is bad, how it seems to me? AWS> At me ruined the child. AWS> was high , it had the second +, poured time 4 or 5 the first + AWS> The former physician, the colleague in transfusion told, yes it is wrong, but the inference that not correctly poured anybody the inference will not give,  1st reserve. AWS> in general result from a jaundice heavy form . AWS> Also talked, very long ago already with  the colleague, about 4-5 or more years ago, she was perturbed that very much lifted "norms" , on the American pointer (what that documents saw on revising of norms), was very strongly perturbed, but since now for treatment pays insurance, treat it cannot as earlier, differently all medicines and procedures from the pocket should be paid. And what level  was? It was in the USA? : Probably it is not pleasant to speak about it, but if beginnings though others will know as to arrive in such cases.

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Hello, AWSVladimir, you wrote: AWS> Hello, LaPerouse, you wrote: LP>> Differently, whether it is time to start to twitch or all not so it is bad, how it seems to me? AWS> At me ruined the child. To tell that I sympathize - means nothing to tell. It is very heavy, when because of someone's incompetence any server, and destiny of several persons suffers not. AWS> was high , it had the second +, poured time 4 or 5 the first + AWS> The former physician, the colleague in transfusion told, yes it is wrong, but the inference that not correctly poured anybody the inference will not give,  1st reserve. The problem was what at the wrong time started to pour (missed time) or not that blood poured? What level of bilirubin was during the moment ? When it became clear, what the child suffered - at once or after any time? AWS> in general result from a jaundice heavy form . AWS> Also talked, very long ago already with  the colleague, about 4-5 or more years ago, she was perturbed, what very much lifted "norms" , on the American pointer (what that documents saw on revising of norms) the American standards and the protocols accepted at us Probably mean? Or business was in the USA?

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Hello, Denwer, you wrote: D> Hello, LaPerouse, you wrote: LP>> At us now bilirubin reached level 320 (it under a lamp), and doctors and are not scratched. Remains practically nothing to a critical mark. Talked to the doctor - he says that a pier this digit (342) is at the moment reconsidered towards magnification and to worry in our case it is not necessary, but to make links to these recommendations was at a loss. If to esteem about consequences  encephalopathies it is difficult to remain quiet. Therefore would like to ask local audience what you faced what digits at your children. Differently, whether it is time to start to twitch or all not so it is bad, how it seems to me? D> It is a lot of, here truth one moment is. Than it measured and how many now to the child. For the third day measured from a vein - there was a level 270. Then up to 8th day took only from feet (capillary) every day, was to 250, we already were delighted that all . Then for 9th day take again from a vein - 320. Then the analysis of capillary blood generally about what. I here think that within a week there could be still big digits. D> : do not leave the child of one in hospital under a lamp, to workers who receive 10   on another's children. With these lamps old it is necessary to be very careful, overheating of the child is very dangerous. On new lamps there is a control of temperature of the child. With it the wife lies. I looked at the instrument - it of new type, there  lamps, there is a protection against overheating.

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Hello, LaPerouse, you wrote: LP> Hello, Denwer, you wrote: D>> Hello, LaPerouse, you wrote: LP>>> At us now bilirubin reached level 320 (it under a lamp), and doctors and are not scratched. Remains practically nothing to a critical mark. Talked to the doctor - he says that a pier this digit (342) is at the moment reconsidered towards magnification and to worry in our case it is not necessary, but to make links to these recommendations was at a loss. If to esteem about consequences  encephalopathies it is difficult to remain quiet. Therefore would like to ask local audience what you faced what digits at your children. Differently, whether it is time to start to twitch or all not so it is bad, how it seems to me? D>> It is a lot of, here truth one moment is. Than it measured and how many now to the child. LP> for the third day measured from a vein - there was a level 270. Then up to 8th day took only from feet (capillary) every day, was to 250, we already were delighted that all . Then for 9th day take again from a vein - 320. Then the analysis of capillary blood generally about what. I here think that within a week there could be still big digits. Listen, very suspiciously, I am finite not the doctor, is simple  if to think.  it is decay  which the fruit has more than at the child,  air. Therefore after a birth the most part  perishes and this turns in , approximate for the first 3 days. A question, why such surge for 9th day. Increase it like can, but not so it is sharp. So the probably simply curve analysis made. Tried to feed with a compound, instead of a breast at least one day?

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Hello, Denwer, you wrote: D> the Question, why such surge for 9th day. The previous analyses became from capillary blood. It when take pair of drops of blood from a foot of the child. That 320 is a high-grade biochemistry, very exact. I certainly admit that could be mistaken. Therefore insisted on new biochemistry. Will do tomorrow, we look. D> tried to feed with a compound, instead of a breast at least one day? Tried differently. The doctor too says that can be from chest milk as in our case there is no Rhesus factor-conflict and other contributing factors. Phototherapy as I understood - a unique variant for today. The doctor told that will do blood transfusion at such level of bilirubin nobody even under the threat of execution. And any intravenous injections of type of glucose, phenobarbital and  are considered as the modern medicine ineffective and them refused. So it is necessary to hope and wait that all manages.

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https://www.uptodate.com/contents/treat … rm-infants here write about 428 mmol/l as a threshold from which there is a risk of damage of a brain.

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Hello, LaPerouse, you wrote: LP> Therefore would like to ask local audience what you faced what digits at your children. Differently, whether it is time to start to twitch or all not so it is bad, how it seems to me? The TIN!!! Simply tin!!! Here a site of programmers and engineers???!!! 111 Adyn   or .????? It is time already  for similar topics...

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Hello, Dead Down, you wrote: > the TIN!!! Simply tin!!! Here a site of programmers and engineers???!!! 111 Adyn   programmers and engineers first of all people. And everyone has problems and pleasures besides development. At us at the first the jaundice was long saved, but then descended. But what it was level  - .

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LP> At us now bilirubin reached level 320 (it under a lamp), and doctors and are not scratched. At whom "us"? All of you three turned yellow (or how many you there)? Truth a jaundice can also?

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Hello, Dead Down, you wrote: > the TIN!!! Simply tin!!! Here a site of programmers and engineers???!!! 111 Adyn   > or .????? > it is time already  for similar topics... About yes, mummies precisely give a practical advice. Yes that mummies, doctors that sometimes such pearl  that you will reflect about them  suitability. I at the son had a small umbilical hernia so to me the surgeon told to twist cotton wool in the form of a ball and a plaster to stick. , a mouth to it it  to paste. From such harmful council personally I started to prepare still even before sorts. For me there is one authority on the Internet is doctor Komarovsky. Here it is real it helps than all doctors together taken in our polyclinic more. Or I remember read about grafts and at a forum one mummy told - than above temperature after a graft that above immunity. And if at snivels there is no temperature that too the bad immunity. Be shorter temperature should as it is possible is more often. Yes what is it? Where brains that?

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Hello, Denwer, you wrote: D> And what level  was? It was in the USA? I do not remember, for a long time it was in the Russian Federation.

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Hello, LaPerouse, you wrote: LP> the Problem was what at the wrong time started to pour (missed time) or not that blood poured? What level of bilirubin was during the moment ? When it became clear, what the child suffered - at once or after any time? While the child does not have month it difficultly , certainly there is a check on foot reflexes, ,  a reflex and others. But there is a simple index of development, in a month the child should hold a head if does not hold 100 % there is what that pathology. LP> the American standards and the protocols accepted at us probably mean? Or business was in the USA? Yes, at us entered standards recommended by Americans. In the USSR all wounds, seams were daily processed that there would be no suppuration and in a case  emergency measures have been accepted, now there is a daily handling of wounds is harmful. At all who studied in the Soviet medicine hair on end rise, but insurance pays on norms is a whip and spice-cake for any doctor. And it is clear why lifted norms and accepted new standards. It is what saving on patients, how many  it is possible to leave to itself.

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Hello, AWSVladimir, you wrote: AWS> Hello, LaPerouse, you wrote: LP>> the Problem was what at the wrong time started to pour (missed time) or not that blood poured? What level of bilirubin was during the moment ? When it became clear, what the child suffered - at once or after any time? AWS> while the child does not have month it difficultly , certainly there is a check on foot reflexes, ,  a reflex and others. AWS> but there is a simple index of development, in a month the child should hold a head if does not hold 100 % there is what that pathology. ? He at this age only tries to hold/move a head, I underline, tries, and begins not earlier than in 1.5 months, and on the average from 1.5 till 3 months it is considered norm. And to hold a head in lying position so generally begin about 3 months

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Hello, Denwer, you wrote: D> For me there is one authority on the Internet is doctor Komarovsky. It is bad that it for you authority for it too the person and too can be mistaken. Unique, probably, its authoritative council: always to think the head since except parents for the child anybody does not carry responsibility. But for this council it is not required to have vocational education or experience.

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Hello, Denwer, you wrote: D> Shito? He at this age only tries to hold/move a head, I underline, tries, and begins not earlier than in 1.5 months, and on the average from 1.5 till 3 months it is considered norm. And to hold a head in lying position so generally begin about 3 months Well generally that you it is right, except  heads are still a heap of parameters, but strictly vertically the child on the average retains in a month, but it is impossible to simplify, children all different, look reflexes complexly.

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Hello, Anton Batenev, you wrote: AB> Hello, Denwer, you wrote: D>> For me there is one authority on the Internet is doctor Komarovsky. AB> it is bad that it for you authority for it too the person and too can be mistaken. Unique, probably, its authoritative council: always to think the head since except parents for the child anybody does not carry responsibility. But for this council it is not required to have vocational education or experience. Certainly all doctors people, except Komarovsky, about it simply God

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Hello, LaPerouse, you wrote: ask a question on forum.rusmedserv.ru with the description of your situation as already advised. The first child had a jaundice about 3 months. Particulars I do not remember, but internal doctors strained. On rusmedserv after reading here this subject: https://forums.rusmedserv.com/showthread.php?t=155684 "the Child transfers a so-called jaundice of chest feeding. Look on a forum, it was much considered. And in Google it is full of the information. This secure state arising at children on . In norm transits by 3 months." Decided to wait for 3 months - all transited without treatment. Now to it 4 + year. But I not the doctor, probably, at you am perfect other situation.