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Topic: How Internet exchangers work?

Here I bought WebMoney. On a site an exchanger selected an option the Savings Bank. To me send the message - to transfer money to such account to such person. I to it transport, then to me send to WebMoney. Same it is not illegal? They use vagabonds and register on them bank accounts? Vagabonds receive something for it? Or in the bank register  on  the passports, bought in a network?

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Re: How Internet exchangers work?

Hello, sansara, you wrote: S> I Here bought WebMoney. On a site an exchanger selected an option the Savings Bank. To me send the message - to transfer money to such account to such person. I to it transport, then to me send to WebMoney. Same it is not illegal? They use vagabonds and register on them bank accounts? Vagabonds receive something for it? Or in the bank register  on  the passports, bought in a network? Users the Savings Bank Online can replenish rouble purse WebMoney without usage of vagabonds. Addition WMR through the Savings Bank-online - WebMoney Wiki Internet bank Sberbank-Onl@jn gives to participants WebMoney possibility of direct addition of WMR-purses from current and card accounts of clients of the Savings Bank. The transfer total: from 100 to 10 000 rbl., the commission: 1,5 % from the operation total.

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Hello, Lazytech, you wrote: L> Addition WMR through the Savings Bank-online - WebMoney Wiki L> Internet bank Sberbank-Onl@jn gives to participants WebMoney possibility of direct addition of WMR-purses from current and card accounts of clients of the Savings Bank. The transfer total: from 100 to 10 000 rbl., the commission: 1,5 % from the operation total. Well and through exchangers it is more favourable for 2 percent - there is the negative commission even in this direction of an exchange.

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Hello, sansara, you wrote: S> I Here bought WebMoney. On a site an exchanger selected an option the Savings Bank. To me send the message - to transfer money to such account to such person. I to it transport, then to me send to WebMoney. Same it is not illegal? They use vagabonds and register on them bank accounts? Vagabonds receive something for it? Or in the bank register  on  the passports, bought in a network? You about a p2p-exchange https://exchanger.money/cards/bids/index/1? There not vagabonds and the same people as well as you, only are necessary to them money for a card for WM. At private level you can sell and buy WM quite lawfully, same not the financial tool.

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S> At private level you can sell and buy WM quite lawfully, same not the financial tool. It in what country? In Russia any arrival of money not from relatives should be reflected in the tax declaration.

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Hello, Arsen. Shnurkov, you wrote: AS> It in what country? In Russia any arrival of money not from relatives should be reflected in the tax declaration. Should not. There even the point such is not present - "arrival of money"... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, Arsen. Shnurkov, you wrote: AS> It in what country? In Russia any arrival of money not from relatives should be reflected in the tax declaration. At us WMU is a registration of promissory notes. I.e. you buy WMU - means you simply to someone borrowed money and in the register this information is displayed. Under the obligation law it is possible to transfer to another . To persons also it is the tax it is not assessed. Into account WMR I do not know, most likely something similar. I.e. actually to you a debt returned. Here you gave someone 100 thousand rbl., to you them returned on a card - any taxes it is not necessary to pay. So? And as you write down the debtors - in  or in the electronic register - to the state without a difference.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> At us WMU is a registration of promissory notes. I.e. you buy WMU - means you simply to someone borrowed money and in the register this information is displayed. Under the obligation law it is possible to transfer to another . To persons also it is the tax it is not assessed. Into account WMR I do not know, most likely something similar. A question essence not in  - precisely also are bought and  both jandeks-money and other exotic entities. A question how exchangers organize operation with "vagabonds", whose accounts are used for obtaining of payments from physical persons in favor of exchangers. Why banks not  accounts of such physical persons.

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Hello, sansara, you wrote: S> the Question how exchangers organize operation with "vagabonds", whose accounts are used for obtaining of payments from physical persons in favor of exchangers. Why banks not  accounts of such physical persons. Why you solved that with vagabonds? If p2p - that you translate it same as well as you. If it is a private shop - translate to a card of the owner of an exchanger or its employee.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> Why you solved that with vagabonds? S> if p2p - that you translate it same as well as you. Because doing some transfers within a month, were both repeating accounts of physical persons and different. S> if it is a private shop - translate to a card of the owner of an exchanger or its employee. Therefore commercial activity with usage of accounts of physical persons is forbidden. Usage of the account of the employee this same that usage of the account of the vagabond from the point of view of the law.

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Hello, sansara, you wrote: S>> If it is a private shop - translate to a card of the owner of an exchanger or its employee. S> therefore commercial activity with usage of accounts of physical persons is forbidden. Who to you told? Thus, you can use the personal account . for enterprise calculations . The main thing in the full size to calculate and transfer into the budget the tax from the received incomes, and that on what account these incomes (on personal are considered or rated) no value has. More in detail on Pravoved.ru: https://pravoved.ru/question/560217/Yes, there is certain type an instruction for banks, but strict punishment for violations of the instruction is not present.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> [q] S> Thus, you can use the personal account . for enterprise calculations . The main thing in S> Yes, is certain type the instruction for banks, but strict punishment for violations of the instruction is not present. Can you do not understand, about what speech? Here an exchanger example. https://wm-sha.ru/we Do the exchange order on wmr. We receive from an exchanger: Translate the total specified in the request 1000 Rbl., through the Savings Bank-online or the Savings Bank cash dispense, to following accessories: - card Region: the Rostov region. - a card of the receiver: 4276521989575539 Dmitry Nikolaevich  - the Total: 1000 Rbl. - the Field "the Message to the receiver" leave empty! And here these people in the instruction different, can and repeat, but he/she is one person. Time not one person enterprise activity of one enterprise cannot be conducted through accounts of different citizens. From here and an output - that needy people are used, they make out on themselves cards and give them with access to an exchanger. And there already the operator with them also works. In sense with cards, bank accounts and sim cards,  to these accounts.

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Hello, sansara, you wrote: S> And here these people in the instruction different, can and repeat, but he/she is one person. Time not one person enterprise activity of one enterprise cannot be conducted through accounts of different citizens. From here and an output - that needy people are used, they make out on themselves cards and give them with access to an exchanger. And there already the operator with them also works. In sense with cards, bank accounts and sim cards,  to these accounts. And whether can work a little  through 1 site? Well here on bulletin boards of thousand different sellers  or even private traders and all work through one site. The prohibition is not present. Normally make out  on each of partners/employees and all as though independently work. It can and is possible to fine but for whom it is necessary? Turns small, it is not interesting to organs. Here in billions steal also all .

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> Normally make out  on each of partners/employees and all as though independently work. Now for it take in hand. And generally, realization of financial activity without the license easily results in a pre-trial detention center.  and Tinkovym are not necessary competitors. S> can and it is possible to fine, but for whom it is necessary? Turns small, it is not interesting to organs. Here in billions steal also all . Stole rouble, either a hen or a potato bag - in prison. Stole one million - a situation . Stole billion - receive an award from the president.

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Hello, freediver, you wrote: S>> Normally make out  on each of partners/employees and all as though independently work. F> now for it take in hand. And what a little  cannot use the same site? Well here there is a bulletin board, and what, only 1 people has the right of it ? F> And generally, realization of financial activity without the license easily results in a pre-trial detention center.  and Tinkovym F> are not necessary competitors. It is not . Activity under the law, there all is thought over.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> And what a little  cannot use the same site? Well here there is a bulletin board, and what, only 1 people has the right of it ?  About what bulletin boards there is a speech? F>> and generally, realization of financial activity without the license easily results in a pre-trial detention center.  and Tinkovym F>> are not necessary competitors. S> it is not . Activity under the law, there all is thought over. The judge is obliged to consider cases in essence by disposal of legal proceeding. And in essence it is financial services. Some years ago many optimization circuits began to be considered illegal, despite their formal validity. I to you a little bit about other circuit will tell, I have an acquaintance, it is welded on on banking  on credit cards - persuaded a heap of acquaintances to get cards, very precisely conducts time  not to get under bank percent for the credit, and there they sell-buy something. The heap of people is necessary, as the totals  at banks are restricted. Certainly, taxes nobody pays also any  in the circuit formally is not present. I did not begin to be got involved in it.

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Hello, sansara, you wrote: S> Therefore commercial activity with usage of accounts of physical persons is forbidden. Who to you told such nonsense?

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Hello, freediver, you wrote: F> the Judge is obliged to consider cases in essence by disposal of legal proceeding. And in essence it is financial services. Some years ago many optimization circuits began to be considered illegal, despite their formal validity. In  too not fools sit - they can employ to themselves the best lawyers and make all according to the law so the mosquito of a nose does not undermine. They richer than many banks of the Russian Federation, with it are not present problems (by the way, and the own bank at them too is). And for exchangers on a site there are rules thanks to which the risk is minimum.

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