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Hello, wraithik, you wrote: W> UPD: On what lines went? W> dark blue are a deprivation. ... More likely something in between. From position of the white machine it is difficult to go on dark blue lines. And  all the same it is not clear, why dark blue are a deprivation?

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Hello, Tyomchik, you wrote: Those> This such awful violation directly to deprive of the rights? At us for departure on  - deprivation. Clearly that departure on it on 10km/ch it is not dangerous, and but 90 it is risk to be killed. But in traffic regulations and KoAPe of such demarcations is not present. Give I will guess, overtaking through continuous at you too is punished or wild by the penalty or deprivation, and , you went round cork or on 90 overtook a tractor.

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Hello, Unforgiver, you wrote: U>>> 1. What chances on if not the full justification, on 1500 penalties? For my part the witness, from their side "left" . >> you in the protocol agreed, what intersected the continuous? GAI OFFICERS (or at least you) wrote, what you on the left turned? U> they wrote that I made driving on a counter band and 12.15.4. I wrote that do not agree, turned on the left and it is 12.16.2. U> it is simple "left on a counter band and made on it driving". It . My words, what not the lawyer is necessary were in case the protocol - "good". And here can and it is necessary to consult to the professional as it is better to prove that you turned. >> That you generally broke nothing the judge does not check, since 1) there are no bases not to trust police officers, 2) indications of the witness of trust do not cause. I would not began and to try, only to irritate the judge. U> did not begin to try that? To cause the witness or to try to justify? To try to prove that generally broke nothing. If  told that you left on  anything any more does not overpersuade the judge, and to try to dispute it - 1) in vain to spend the time, 2) to distract attention of the judge from important factors, in this case, that you turned, instead of is simple on  left. The witness is useful to prove that you turned.

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Hello, Unforgiver, you wrote: U> http://rsdn.org/forum/auto/6992750.1 the Author: Unforgiver Date: 13.12 15:06 U> Here I laid out a panorama. The crossroads for the white machine whence begins? From a place where on the opposite side a pole or from a place where signs "Principal road" and "Driving only directly"? I would tell that from a sign as the Crossroads is a place of intersection, contiguities or ramifyings of roads at one level, restricted to the imaginary lines connecting accordingly opposite, most remote from center of a crossroads of the beginning of curvings of travelers of parts But, there is still unary continuous, and it designates ". 2 items 12.16. A turn or turn on the left contrary to marking requirements. - the penalty from 1 to 1,5 thousand roubles."

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U> In advance I apologize for many . Deprivation only (!) at overtaking through the double continuous. All remaining not at affairs, including turns, turns and so forth Also it imported later as the correction. All know about it, and  too. On-horoshomu to press them for false charges. And in the conditions of the erased marking generally the fault is not present.

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Hello, Unforgiver, you wrote: U> - At you 12.15.4 Posters from an official site gibdd.ru: http://www.gibdd.ru/upload/schemes.pdf the Right row. The lower picture shows driving on counter AFTER a crossroads. I do not see signs which strictly would specify that after a crossroads . Take a picture of bricks on the other hand, take a picture  when there cork, and let they in court explain, why the continuous flow goes on the counter. The picture second from below shows driving on counter TO a crossroads. Look at a satellite card the top view, look at the video record and try to show that you contracted to the left after the crossroads beginning, not to. Crossroads boundaries are not defined by crookedly drawn marking, they will be defined by curvings. U> and here suddenly to me give the protocol in which it is specified - to be in group of analysis of such number. WTF? What group of analysis? In court? Is not present? I will assume that they not especially trust in perspective in court and want, that the heads on analysis solved. The group of analysis does not deprive of the rights, there can retrain that you want, or to direct to court.

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Hello, Roma Mik, you wrote: > Hello, Unforgiver, you wrote: U>>>> 1. What chances on if not the full justification, on 1500 penalties? For my part the witness, from their side "left" . >>> you in the protocol agreed, what intersected the continuous? GAI OFFICERS (or at least you) wrote, what you on the left turned? U>> they wrote that I made driving on a counter band and 12.15.4. I wrote that do not agree, turned on the left and it is 12.16.2. U>> it is simple "left on a counter band and made on it driving". > It . My words, what not the lawyer is necessary were in case the protocol - "good". And here can and it is necessary to consult to the professional as it is better to prove that you turned. >>> That you generally broke nothing the judge does not check, since 1) there are no bases not to trust police officers, 2) indications of the witness of trust do not cause. I would not began and to try, only to irritate the judge. U>> did not begin to try that? To cause the witness or to try to justify? > to Try to prove that generally broke nothing. If  told that you left on  anything any more does not overpersuade the judge, and to try to dispute it - 1) in vain to spend the time, 2) to distract attention of the judge from important factors, in this case, that you turned, instead of is simple on  left. > the Witness is useful to prove that you turned. Well I actually also do not deny that broke, without making out a marking. I.e. is direct to break here it was not deliberate there sense.

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Hello, namespace, you wrote: U>> In advance I apologize for many . N> Deprivation only (!) at overtaking through the double continuous. All remaining not at affairs, including turns, turns and so forth N> And it imported later as the correction. All know about it, and  too. On-horoshomu to press them for false charges. Well then it is quite good the link to the correction. That I found all - just suggests otherwise. That the driving fact "forward" (if it is possible so to say) is important. I had a driving at an angle degrees 45. There still absolutely idiotic organization of driving. Turn to the right - on idea needs to be made it, nestling on right side to road. And through meters 20 already this turn on the left. Actually hammering on a rule of the right turn of one figs to this left turn you you come not directly, and at an angle. N> and in the conditions of the erased marking generally the fault is not present.

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Hello,/aka/, you wrote: A> Hello, Unforgiver, you wrote: U>> - At you 12.15.4 A> Posters from an official site gibdd.ru: A> http://www.gibdd.ru/upload/schemes.pdf A> the Right row. A> the lower picture shows driving on counter AFTER a crossroads. I do not see signs which strictly would specify that after a crossroads . Take a picture of bricks on the other hand, take a picture  when there cork, and let they in court explain, why the continuous flow goes on the counter. A> the picture second from below shows driving on counter TO a crossroads. Look at a satellite card the top view, look at the video record and try to show that you contracted to the left after the crossroads beginning, not to. Crossroads boundaries are not defined by crookedly drawn marking, they will be defined by curvings. Such it was not exact. There was "a lower picture", but only on one-sided road. Here by the way a good type on a panorama on the other hand. https://yandex.ru/maps/213/moscow/?ll=3 … C73.515558 "bricks" Are visible And I made how the white machine. And on a marking  to turn approximately in that place, where on a taxi photo. U>> and here suddenly to me give the protocol in which it is specified - to be in group of analysis of such number. WTF? What group of analysis? In court? Is not present? A> I will assume that they not especially trust in perspective in court and want, that the heads on analysis solved. The group of analysis does not deprive of the rights, there can retrain that you want, or to direct to court.

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Hello, Unforgiver, you wrote: U> "bricks" "brick" Are visible it is 3.1. Action of signs is not spread: 3.1 - 3.3, 3.18.1, 3.18.2, 3.19 - on routing vehicles; I.e. these bricks do not protect from a counter shuttle bus and consequently do not do road one-sided.

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Also would like to add still a question. And here "the penalty 5 or deprivation of the rights to 4-6 months". How it is selected? At repeated it is clear - deprivation for a year. And how from three points the GAI officer selects? Not the coin is thrown by the Eagle - 4 months,  - 6, to an edge fell - 5 the penalty. Type considers  violations? Casually turned at badly noticeable marking or overtook a flow on  - different gravity of violation. Or it is simple on mood, depending on the to the relation to you?

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Hello,/aka/, you wrote: A> Hello, Unforgiver, you wrote: U>> "bricks" A> "brick" Are visible it is 3.1. A> A> Action of signs is not spread: A> 3.1 - 3.3, 3.18.1, 3.18.2, 3.19 - on routing vehicles; A> I.e. these bricks do not protect from a counter shuttle bus and consequently do not do road one-sided. I do not represent as there it is possible to get in a counter direction. If a panorama to fan further - that is visible that there bands are partitioned by "islet". And if the machine towards goes, it and then and this "nedo-circle" goes round this islet on the right. And generally, on the left band after turn it is necessary to be rebuilt, if you want to be torn at this crossroads. So it quite to itself "passing", instead of counter.

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In Kazakhstan the marking should be well visible. If it is brought or erased, it not your problems, you not the psychic. I think in Russia similar rules. It is possible to rest on it.

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Hello, Unforgiver, you wrote: U> And I made how the white machine. And on a marking  to turn approximately in that place, where on a taxi photo. They simultaneously turn it in one band??? An idiotic marking; from the most left band it is logical to turn in the most left, it is not important - turn begins with what place.

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Hello, VladFein, you wrote: VF> Hello, Unforgiver, you wrote: U>> And I made how the white machine. And on a marking  to turn approximately in that place, where on a taxi photo. VF> they simultaneously turn it in one band??? Well there a traffic light. On the one hand "Green + an arrow on the left" with another it is simple "the Arrow to the right". Thus, those which go to the right, in the majority consider that passers should concede to them, since at them turn on the left Forgetting that at them the arrow burns only, it means they should concede. By the way this "rule" generally is spread, on how many I had time to note. VF> an idiotic marking; from the most left band it is logical to turn in the most left, it is not important - turn begins with what place.

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Hello, Unforgiver, you wrote: U> And here "the penalty 5 or deprivation of the rights to 4-6 months". The penalty in 5 to you comes from the camera. And here if violation will be fixed by the employee 5 you will not get off. It already deprivation. To search now for laziness, but such information in comments to articles and punishments on these somewhere flickered. U> and how from three points the GAI officer selects? Not the coin is thrown by the Eagle - 4 months,  - 6, to an edge fell - 5 the penalty. The GAI officer always writes out on a maximum. But now the court is engaged in deprivation. And if the court considers that you repented of a criminal conduct writes out to you on a minimum. By the way, it can to be restricted to the penalty also. But it already something outstanding. U> type considers  violations? Casually turned at badly noticeable marking or overtook a flow on  - different gravity of violation. U> or it is simple on mood, depending on the to the relation to you? Last. From what foot rose, whether the wife gave in the morning, whether the favourite hamster and so on was ill...

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Hello, Unforgiver, you wrote: U> Hello, wraithik, you wrote: W>> UPD: On what lines went? W>> dark blue are a deprivation. U> Hm... More likely something in between. From position of the white machine it is difficult to go on dark blue lines. U> and  all the same it is not clear, why dark blue are a deprivation? Dark blue, it to begin turn earlier. Because on dark blue. You to intersection of travelers of parts left on .

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U> that I found All - just suggests otherwise. Stuck into the first site: Deprivation of a driving license is provided only in case of overtaking through a double solid line of a marking. At departure on a counter band through such marking the driver is threatened with the penalty. However it is frequent workers of traffic police prefer to deprive of the control right, than to write out monetary collecting. So it is easier and more favourable to inspectors. Here one more casually taken Deprivation of the rights is provided only in case of overtaking through the given marking. The penalty for intersection of a double solid line of a marking is provided also at departure on a counter band, but frequently it is easier and more favourable to employees of traffic police to deprive of you the right of control of a vehicle. Here

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Hello, LuciferNovoros, you wrote: U>> And here "the penalty 5 or deprivation of the rights to 4-6 months". LN> the Penalty in 5 to you comes from the camera. And here if violation will be fixed by the employee 5 you will not get off. It already deprivation. To search now for laziness, but such information in comments to articles and punishments on these somewhere flickered. Not mandatory. To me twice for departure on  the court awarded the penalty 5. Once I do not remember, it was not possible substantiations any, and the second time the judge justified a fault recognition, absence of not paid penalties and that I have the minor daughter on expense.

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Hello, namespace, you wrote: N> Stuck into the first site: Instead of it is necessary in first to stick.  item 4 item 12.15, there is not mentioned any overtaking.

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U> Pravoslavno to turn as it is drawn by a dark blue line. U> as I turned that - red. Yellow designated the erased marking (since there all so go), upon was also untidily. Even there is nothing to consider, departure on  was not. Another matter if before such turn quitted on  and went a little against driving. A marking error, on idea even without the penalty should be.

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P> Instead of it is necessary in first to stick. P> KoAP of item 12.15 of item 4, there is not mentioned any overtaking. If so was, lawyers and the bookkeeper would sit without operation. Regularly there are additions, corrections and comments behind which they track to be , and on it earn on bread and butter and red caviar.

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Any  with horses, instead of analysis group. Come, write the explanatory. Here you, here the witness. Then gets my protocol, and any literary trash and the circuit which I in eyes did not see is enclosed to it! I speak to the inspector - and it that? Is a circuit which the employee of traffic police drew. - I did not sign any circuits. And all was not so. - And how? - Here (the circuit I drew houses). - And you as consider - broke? - In explanatory wrote - probably and broke, a marking did not see, turned within a crossroads if to look on boundary  parts. - it is clear. Opened on a computer all mine  further, unpacked them, attached to the protocol, the circuit and explanatory. Also channelized in court. I speak - and here what for me caused? - Well you do not agree, the court means let solves. You gave explanatory, the witness interrogated. Now in court. - and, i.e. I should arrive and agree with deprivation of the rights? - Yes. Remarkable "analysis". . About court RomaMik it was right, already after . Tell now about world court Chokak there? Cause witnesses, inspectors, videos look, assort? Or "flow" - all are guilty? The acquaintance had a court, was some times transferred that "the charge" side did not come.

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Hello, Mihail, you wrote: Hello, Unforgiver, you wrote: U>> Hello, wraithik, you wrote: W>>> we Look as it was U>> Image: .PNG U>> Pravoslavno to turn as it is drawn by a dark blue line. U>> as I turned that - red. Yellow designated the erased marking (since there all so go), upon was also > And what sense in such marking (continuous axial on a half-crossroads) if you turn on road with one-way traffic. Probably such marking there remained since those times when driving was not one-sided? How they can prove, what you left on  if  generally is not present? There there could not be a two-way traffic most likely. There after turn on the left - "circle" (semi-circle). At us in rules it is told that if signs-restrictions stand simply so, instead of really protect from danger of the driver or associates, and you ignored them, you can protest punishment. To a marking it cannot be applied? Well here now I will study that there it possible to protest, because to court directed.

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Hello, Unforgiver, you wrote: U> Tell now about world court U> Chokak there? U> Cause witnesses, inspectors, videos look, assort? Or "flow" - all are guilty? U> the acquaintance had a court, was some times transferred that "the charge" side did not come. Yes all is normal a flow goes.  - deprivation. Then you protest the decision in higher instance, only 10 days not , a limitation period to recover it is almost unreal. But you can declare the petition for a call of the side of charge, that is GAI officers in court. If the court accepts your petition transfer meeting - precisely. And here there it is already possible  - indications of witnesses, presence or absence of circuits, your signatures on them, video- and photocertificates. But it is better to do nevertheless it with the lawyer, most it is dreary, and you do not know all subtleties, as well as we here. P.S. Try to address to Victor Travinu. Well, it not the fact that consults, but at it a good command. To much really help.