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Hello, Kaifa, you wrote: TSP>> Well begins. Who should be destroyed after oligarchs? K> it strongly simplifies operation of appropriate structures of the power. You do not find? On-extreme measure it will be possible to shift from dead point. Give on fingers. To bang  , and its property to give to the state budget. To you it will be worse, better or it is violet? In 17th year already did so, banged, and started to "build". While we will be engaged further in "experiments", other countries leave further away.

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Hello, TimurSPB, you wrote: TSP>>> Well begins. Who should be destroyed after oligarchs? N>> you purposefully ignored a prefix "as a class"? TSP> Is not present. And what it changes? The sense of the statement changes?

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TSP>>>> Well begins. Who should be destroyed after oligarchs? N>>> you purposefully ignored a prefix "as a class"? TSP>> Is not present. And what it changes? N> the sense of the statement changes? What statement? Suffices .

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> all is real indeed - toadies and  in power which do not have any ideology except "for all good" in words, and in practice tamping of the pockets. And unless once was differently? Than present  in power differ from  which were, say, two hundred years ago?

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Hello, mjau, you wrote: V>> so. To destroy oligarchs it is possible only simultaneously with change of a political system. V>> you would like, that in the Russian Federation again there was something like a socialism (let "modern", but nevertheless?) M> the Socialism is to take money from those who earns them, and to give to those who does not earn. ! = the Socialism.  is a military communism. M> and as soon as the stimulus disappears to work, that it is good to live - those who did not work and so do not become because what for to work if it is possible to do nothing, and those who worked - cease, because what for if all the same select. And if there will be a valid differentiation. But especially on  i.e. to grow rich for the account someone does not quit, as now the capitalist grows rich. Consider that there will be a circuit as in the West when the board of directors employs exterior managers/directors and pays in it corresponding . M> In the nature already all is invented for a long time - there is no best mechanism for development, than a healthy competition and natural selection. The socialism does not cancel a competition, more likely, on the contrary - the competition sharply becomes aggravated because of equal start conditions for all. M> Oligarhizm - just an illustration of that happens when such mechanisms do not work.  is an illustration of unpunished violation of laws. Yeltsin had no right to privatize the enterprise of group And - they under the law were not subject to privatization. But it pushed them for nothing for the sake of money for the second pre-election company. On a trace day after such scandalous lawlessness "it is simple businessmen" woke up "oligarchs". And it I still am silent about that Khodorkovsky for purchase of actives of group And pulled out 320 million $$ (my God, what ridiculous money) from the bank Menatep, which and did not rise after such barbarity and eventually went bankrupt. You can not explain, how so quitted, what at the richest oligarch in the Russian Federation the bank because of pity 300 million shortage went bankrupt? Among them burned down my personal exactly 1000 dollars which were for me, the yesterday's student at that point in time (all year as finished HIGH SCHOOL), very large total. Yes they generally were in 96th year the large total, at all for the student. This nit not only that for  bought actives which are estimated today in more 120  so also me personally plundered.) ) Here that such oligarchy a-lja the former USSR. And your illustrations are false because of your youth and a banal lack of the information on an event. You like to argue much as I see on your posts, but do not like to learn new  is how to understand, generally? And what price to the belief which are not transiting the elementary check on the facts? M> and at a socialism they will not work too that leads to result which we could watch the last hundred years. In a situation when 10 % live well, and 90 % - are bad, the socialism leads to that all start to live equally badly. The nonsense, all is learned in comparing. The life middle tier in  at the moment of February Revolution was somewhere at level of Palestin of that time. I  why some  compare the USSR to the USA supposedly in the USA it was in many respects better. Morons, a pancake, short-sighted!) ) Yes the fact of that compare the USSR to the USA - it is fine in itself. Well and, here the small chest simply opened. Medium height of gross national product all over the world - the order of 3 % a year. And, even in developed  it too about the such. And socialist countries showed gross national product growth under 10-15 % annual, therefore the USSR so quickly made up for the USA on life middle tier.  if the USSR did not disorganize there under all schedules it overtook the USA under stuffy gross national product already to 2000. Well, approximately as China which already overtook on absolute in adjusted prices. And still 15 years ago anybody would not check in it.) ) In sense, anybody from cooks who are not able to control gos-vom. And which cooks are able, they took 11 % of annual growth of gross national product of China and to all of them it became clear. , the main threat of the USA from the Russian Federation and China in that also consists that two these countries convincingly showed potential possibility to catch up and overtake the USA. Knowingly after all speech all time goes about "restraint", truly? Restraint especially economic if noted. I.e. you here does not prevent to include  and absolutely sober view to look at an event. M> the socialism cannot be constructed "violently", he can grow only itself at that stage of development when the society grows before both morally, and is material. It  is impossible. And in a revolutionary way, when "bottoms do not want" - easily as the history showed. The proletariat  to work for 11-12 hours for pennies, to live in barracks, thus that without normal formation and health service. But the proletariat so lives till now in the same Bangladesh, they in Space do not launch the rocket. And from us the USA engines the last 25 years buys, that there to fly.) ) M> Therefore as soon as 90 % of the population will live well - the society can come by a socialism. And again  . Already after all considered not so long ago. Today's directly we tell "", not causing envy, has access to such standard of living, which else 100 years ago it was accessible only rather to men of means. Therefore, matter is not in "well/badly", and in that not strongly is worse, than at others. For example, not strongly is worse, than in other developed countries. Many historians notice one more  mythology of the USSR. After all in those days if gos-in bought for currency what-thread consumer goods it bought the best goods. Well and the rouble exchange rate good was, I will remind. For example, on that purchasing capacity of dollar boots for 320 dollars is a terrible luxury for the American. At them "sufficient" boots for 40-50 dollars, remaining - whims of well provided interlayer of the population were considered. And our woman the same boots for 200  try do not buy!) ) From here a myth: all import cool, all ours - to g th. Besides. We heard digits about their salaries and were simply in shock. Because we did not consider a heap of other factors: - the salary there is sounded the dirty; - health service all paid; - the average American spends half of for habitation  all life; - more or less mean formation costs much, and more or less decent - fabulous; - not each American affords a campaign at cinema more often 1-2 times a month. And such things . To me once a star of the order 70  annual in NY, but I so estimated that the first years I will naturally beg and left,  here on smaller  I feel the rich person (I can allow much to myself), and there would feel myself poor. M> and in the Russian Federation the society cannot pass from feudalism by "market" capitalism yet. And late already. Now without interference gos-va in capitalism anything acceptable does not happen." Wild "capitalism sputtered out to disorder of the USSR. V>> as you consider, what then starts to happen in Ukraine? M> why you consider any question through a prism of Ukraine? Because if the Russian Federation again will type on 10-15 % of gross national product annually about independence forget. To you to remind, why the Ukrainian republic of 1918 year (declared goodness knows where from undertaken impostors was covered before with a copper basin with support and direct occupation of Ukraine by Germans)? Because of the Ukrainian guerrilla driving it is downwind trite. There was the full paralysis of this power. Besides, white and Cossack driving was too against, same Mahno beat Germans and in a tail of willows a mane etc. in general, what"correct"words would not extol the occupational power in Kiev, the people will not deceive. Here and today Ukrainians quite realize that live under the occupational power. Also it is unique that hinders to give vent to this feeling - that the same invaders as  bend the Russian Federation because the Russian Federation it allows them also in eyes looks. Stalin to Russia is not present.)) Basically, here would be to slam the Russian interbanking currency stock exchange enough and to nationalize reversely Central Bank and 90 % of such influence evaporates already next day,  "it will not be provided by mechanisms". M> In Ukraine the same problems, but them at least try to decide / to pretend, what solve, and regular  in my opinion it is a little  a society of Ozdoravlivajut? Embitter, you wanted to tell. Than the Maidan in our opinion from Crimea was? - First of all display of monstrous disrespect for own fellow citizens. And, this disrespect was not casual or side. Exactly on the contrary! It was explicitly declared: "all of you ! And we in the white!" . And these monstrous bad manners, an incorrectness etc. to  - them at all did not confuse. Besides, exactly on the contrary, they cynically neighed,  in inventing of labels. And what, so it was possible? And that we then so much years are brought up suffered  ? It appears, it is possible and it is necessary non-stop  the fellow citizens, scoffing at them, hushing them and generally putting them in such position that they even snouts dirty of under  did not show? ,  so it is impossible, certainly. Because of it the country can collapse. Simply we understood it, and moral freaks - are not present. Therefore, they disorganized the country and this process yet did not end, because moral freaks assumed the right to decide that generally there is a moral ugliness. (The citation: "represent, they there really think what to charge to the militiaman a bottle with an incendiary compound in the person it is not cheerful and fervent, and natural fascism!" ). The Problem at you that on right now they continue to be pleasant and consider to itself that correctly made all. It  that under 50  corpses already  that to the country  that pensioners in the present trouble, but even children to them help especially cannot etc., etc. But had fun! M> still pair  for impeachment of for whom stood on the previous Maidan Hey-hey, tpru-at-u-u! You that, type shirk lessons, the schoolboy still? You that carry? , it you are now specific so were substituted... You this... It turns out you consider, what Majdany are formed by itself, truly? Well type as earlier in dark centuries considered, what mice are materialized from dirty linen?) )) M> And in the Russian Federation it is accepted to pretend that all and so it is fine. It is not accepted never. But after happened to Ukraine a little became silent, there is a such. Because all is learned in comparing. And from this comparing people in the Russian Federation simply oh-ate. Not, people live, rejoice, copulate, thump... But somewhere inside the majority did not depart from this shock yet. You after all did not know it, truly?

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S>> the First that needs to be made - to destroy as a class of all oligarchs. It and to the fool is clear. But is not present, you consider that oligarchy it normally, it is modern and even a little abruptly. TSP> well begins. Who should be destroyed after oligarchs? After a class of oligarchs it is necessary to destroy a cattle class, certainly

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TSP>> Well begins. Who should be destroyed after oligarchs? SXM> after a class of oligarchs it is necessary to destroy a cattle class, It is certainly necessary reliable !

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Hello, vdimas, you wrote: M>> And as soon as the stimulus disappears to work, that it is good to live - those who did not work and so do not become because what for to work if it is possible to do nothing, and those who worked - cease, because what for if all the same select. V> and if there will be a valid differentiation. But especially on  i.e. to grow rich for the account someone does not quit, as now the capitalist grows rich. Consider that there will be a circuit as in the West when the board of directors employs exterior managers/directors and pays in it corresponding . That the capitalist grows rich "at the expense of someone" is a big myth. If the programmer sold hour of time for $35 is it grows rich at the expense of the client or not? Specially put person will define, where comes to an end  and begins ""? V> the Socialism does not cancel a competition, more likely, on the contrary - the competition sharply becomes aggravated because of equal start conditions for all. Start conditions and competition it is two orthogonal vectors of influence, especially in the modern changing world. M>> Oligarhizm - just an illustration of that happens when such mechanisms do not work. V> Oligarhizm is an illustration of unpunished violation of laws. Well it not the contradiction, laws in an ideal are the restrictions, called to protect equality of possibilities that is an important part of a healthy competition. I hope, it is not necessary  correlation. V> here that such oligarchy a-lja the former USSR. And your illustrations are false because of your youth and a banal lack of the information on an event. You like to argue much as I see on your posts, but do not like to learn new  is how to understand, generally? V> And what price to the belief which are not transiting the elementary check on the facts? I can not understand in any way, to what this long passage. What should it refute? Under capitalism banks are not destroyed? At a socialism of banks will not be basically? At a socialism outside people should pay losses of the careless bankers who have admitted ruin of bank (if to take the abstract bank, instead of this specific case)? V> nonsense, all is learned in comparing. The life middle tier in  at the moment of February Revolution was somewhere at level of Palestin of that time. V> well and, here the small chest simply opened. Medium height of gross national product all over the world - the order of 3 % a year. And, even in developed  it too about the such. And socialist countries showed gross national product growth under 10-15 % annual, therefore the USSR so quickly made up for the USA on life middle tier. Here such business that 3 % from 200 is strong more than 15 % from 20. smile But I do not want to press in disputes about ,  and the life middle tier correlates, but not in an absolute level. V> Sobno, the main threat of the USA from the Russian Federation and China in that also consists that two these countries convincingly showed potential possibility to catch up and overtake the USA. Open google public data in section "gross national product per capita" and count, how many centuries are necessary, that  caught up with the USA at leaking . smile without speaking about Russia. M>> the socialism cannot be constructed "violently", he can grow only itself at that stage of development when the society grows before both morally, and is material. V> it  is impossible. And in a revolutionary way, when "bottoms do not want" - easily as the history showed. So yes, only it for some reason permanently collapses smile. V> Proletariat  to work for 11-12 hours for pennies, to live in barracks, thus that without normal formation and health service. V> but the proletariat so lives till now in the same Bangladesh, they in Space do not launch the rocket. V> and from us the USA engines the last 25 years buys, that there to fly.) ) Only the standard of living is defined mostly not by rockets, automatic machines and tanks, and washing machines, cars and a chewing gum. M>> therefore as soon as 90 % of the population will live well - the society can come by a socialism. V> and again  . Already after all considered not so long ago. I do not remember, possibly, I did not participate. V> today's directly we tell "", not causing envy, has access to such standard of living, which else 100 years ago it was accessible only rather to men of means. V> therefore, matter is not in "well/badly", and in that not strongly is worse, than at others. For example, not strongly is worse, than in other developed countries. Well so yes, naturally. A problem that at a socialism a standard of living at which people perish in fight for a cud strongly worse, than in other developed countries V> And such things . To me once a star of the order 70  annual in NY, but I so estimated that the first years I will naturally beg and left,  here on smaller  I feel the rich person (I can allow much to myself), and there would feel myself poor. So it is the best illustration of a standard of living. The more low level, the below the price. The white person in any beggarly Nigeria on $5 can feel as the Arabian sheikh. M>> and in the Russian Federation the society cannot pass from feudalism by "market" capitalism yet. V> and late already. Now without interference gos-va in capitalism anything acceptable does not happen. "Wild" capitalism sputtered out to disorder of the USSR." Wild "capitalism in the USSR by capitalism has just the same relation, as well as"communism"of the late USSR to communism. V> because if the Russian Federation again will type on 10-15 % of gross national product annually about independence forget. It is threat  such? V> in general, what"correct"words would not extol the occupational power in Kiev, the people you will not deceive. Here and today Ukrainians quite realize that live under the occupational power. Also it is unique that hinders to give vent to this feeling - that the same invaders as  bend the Russian Federation because the Russian Federation it allows them also in eyes looks. Stalin to Russia is not present.) ) "The Occupational power" is any scarecrow? What bad in "the occupational power" (again we follow the abstract example)? If tomorrow the Russian Federations occupy  from a planet of Nibiru and construct the prospering free state is it will be good or bad? V> than was the Maidan in our opinion from Crimea? - First of all display of monstrous disrespect for own fellow citizens. It is a known problem of human perception from which nothing can be made - the person considers an environmental reality such to what it seems on  to sensations. V> Shutju,  so it is impossible, certainly. Because of it the country can collapse. Simply we understood it, and moral freaks - are not present. Therefore, disorganized the country and this process yet the nuance that moral freaks generally rent the air did not end Only, and real actions on country disorder were made by you. Therefore I would not shift a part of the responsibility on someone else. V> because moral freaks assumed the right to decide that generally there is a moral ugliness. And who should decide, what such moral ugliness? smile M>> and in the Russian Federation it is accepted to pretend that all and so it is fine. V> it is not accepted never. But after happened to Ukraine a little became silent, there is a such. Because all is learned in comparing. And from this comparing people in the Russian Federation simply oh-ate. Not, people live, rejoice, copulate, thump... But somewhere inside the majority did not depart from this shock yet. You after all did not know it, truly? I not about , and about tolerance to inequality and servile relations. Sechin  - well constructed and is normal. Released Serdjukova for the stolen billions - well and let, all the same not ours. On  for a repost closed - so itself it is guilty, there is nothing to gad on meetings. Forbade cheese - and it is good, who this cheese only guzzles. Closed the Internet - and it is correct, one porno on this Internet the Tsar on a throne of 20 years - so it good / and who, if not it? Special people appeared - and and it is necessary, unless differently can be? V> you this... It turns out you consider, what Majdany are formed by itself, truly? And this here the strange confidence that people cannot quit on  to protest - too therefrom.  as so, someone quitted to tell, what it against? Unless the such can be generally in the nature?

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> there is a class of capitalists oligarchs a subset of a class of capitalists. Not?

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M> In 17th year already did so, banged, and started to "build". M> While we will be engaged further in "experiments", other countries leave further away. Where further?  150 that-whether invent to someone very probably necessary? Whether recall who the first in space departed and think it was possible thus  to a rag .

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TSP> It is necessary reliable ! So it is - killed - the cattle with probability unit means

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Hello, vdimas, you wrote: V> so. To destroy oligarchs it is possible only simultaneously with change of a political system. V> you would like, that in the Russian Federation again there was something like a socialism (let "modern", but nevertheless?) V> as you consider, what then starts to happen in Ukraine? If suddenly tomorrow what that by miracle, in Ukraine happens a socialist revolution. That in two hours per Kiev will be the Russian armies that it to crush.

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Hello, Kaifa, you wrote: M>> In 17th year already did so, banged, and started to "build". M>> While we will be engaged further in "experiments", other countries leave further away. K> where further?  150 that-whether invent to someone very probably necessary? Whether recall who the first in space departed and think it was possible thus  to a rag .  would be immortal and other people in Russia would not remain?

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Hello, Los Chtostrjaslos, you wrote: K>> the power of oligarchs is, and the class is not present? It as? > there is a class of capitalists In my opinion, here this class just existed only on a paper in communistic propaganda materials.

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Hello, SaprXM, you wrote: SXM> after a class of oligarchs it is necessary to destroy a cattle class, certainly It  is necessary to you. A sin.

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Hello, TimurSPB, you wrote: SXM>> after a class of oligarchs it is necessary to destroy a cattle class, certainly TSP> It is necessary reliable ! So it, democratically, voting. Concerning SXM we here already voted.

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Hello, SaprXM, you wrote: SXM> after a class of oligarchs it is necessary to destroy a cattle class, certainly liquidation of the illiterate?

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Hello, mjau, you wrote: V>> the Socialism does not cancel a competition, more likely, on the contrary - the competition sharply becomes aggravated because of equal start conditions for all. M> start conditions and a competition it is two orthogonal vectors of influence, especially in the modern changing world. Pipes. Without the good formation, which very expensive in the West, the subsequent competition that is not. Because such formation is accessible only "". And,  to it it is rather glad. Did not note unless that western  the principle of "social filters", type of the big annual payments in what-thread golf club generally is pleasant. Well here a payment 100  annual, and services from this gol-club you receive at most on 5 thousand On the one hand nonsense, on the other hand members of this gol-club also thanks speak for such expensive ticket. In general, you again loudly expressed and again missed the mark. There is no orthogonality, there is directly observable correlation. M> Well it not the contradiction, laws in an ideal are the restrictions, called to protect equality of possibilities that is an important part of a healthy competition. I hope, it is not necessary  correlation. The western model of a competition anyway is not healthy,  breaks competing on classes where passage from one class in another is rare and about it knows the whole world in the form of those exceptions confirming rules.)) it is simple in the former USSR in 90th years all this  was showed too . We built the society in the manner of western, with  and whores (all as is necessary!) That is with corruption, an inequality, "wild jungle", a mafia and .... But explicitly overdid, as a result it turned out  and places to level of monstrous detestableness ( for epithets, but even they are rather weak for the description happening in a reality). M> I can not understand in any way, to what this long passage. What should it refute? And what here was not clear? I do not like your categoricalness in a combination to the claim for thoughtfulness which you diligently feign. According to a popular axiom, the clever person should doubt in all, and the facts for it - the highest value. You show the highest value the point of view on the facts against insufficiency/nepolnotsenosti of the facts. And what difference in what of messages I would issue this thought entirely? You repeated in the manners, that is were again substituted, - I explicitly showed you that  which you explicitly did not own, judging by your representation about the device of this world. M> Under capitalism banks are not destroyed? Under capitalism the declaration of bank the bankrupt can be caused the artificial reasons. Especially if at the capitalist some their (banks) and-or other enterprises issued as "independent" . Then it turns out a variety of theft of money at the client. M> at a socialism of banks will not be basically? The bank is sufficient one which is provided through gross national product gos-va. After all the bank is especially utilitarian  which should service one of aspects of activity of the person. It as a waterpipe, the water drain or port constructions, type of breakwaters. M> at a socialism outside people should pay losses of the careless bankers who have admitted ruin of bank (if to take the abstract bank, instead of this specific case)? I am afraid, in my model to destroy bank not probably. And you again hurry up with outputs (your questions contain statements, and personally I consider such form of a question as "curve",  under such circuit banal reproaches in banal  are under construction). V>> Nonsense, all is learned in comparing. The life middle tier in  at the moment of February Revolution was somewhere at level of Palestin of that time. V>> well and, here the small chest simply opened. Medium height of gross national product all over the world - the order of 3 % a year. And, even in developed  it too about the such. And socialist countries showed gross national product growth under 10-15 % annual, therefore the USSR so quickly made up for the USA on life middle tier. M> here such business that 3 % from 200 are strong more than 15 % from 20. smile Too it is true. But speech about geometrical progression. I do not know what smilie here to deliver - any of available on  approaches. M> But I do not want to press in disputes about ,  and the life middle tier correlates, but not in an absolute level. Too it is true. From 15 %  gross national products of the USA grew to half at the USSR. And further it is more,  15 % annual from 100 vs 3 % annual from 200 look already absolutely differently even for the person with 3-mja formation classes. V>> Sobno, the main threat of the USA from the Russian Federation and China in that also consists that two these countries convincingly showed potential possibility to catch up and overtake the USA. M> open google public data in section "gross national product per capita" and count, how many centuries are necessary, that  caught up with the USA at leaking . smile Allow to consider. China - 21 trillion on , the 1400 million population,  annual on  turns out approximately 15  (2016), the USA - 18 trillion, the 323 million population,  approximately 56  (2016). Now, in the conditions of the world crisis annual growth of gross national product of China made 6.7 %, the USA - 1.6 %. 15*1.067 x=56*1.016 xx = ~ 27 years. We take pre-crisis growth: 15*1.09 x=56*1.035 xx = ~ 26 years. That a forehead about desktop that desktop on forehead M> without speaking about Russia. We take pre-crisis indexes of growth (the order of 7.5 % annual),  now approximately 27  (2016). 27*1.075 x=56*1.035 xx = ~ 19 years. M>>> the socialism cannot be constructed "violently", he can grow only itself at that stage of development when the society grows before both morally, and is material. V>> it  is impossible. And in a revolutionary way, when "bottoms do not want" - easily as the history showed. M> so yes, only it for some reason permanently collapses smile. Permanently disorganize from the outside. It as a red rag for a bull.) ) Well and so the majority of the countries in the world capitalist but if not to take gold billion, an event there - u-u-u-u... Better and not to know... So I am glad, certainly, that you too compare to the USA. Thanks. M> only the standard of living is defined mostly not by rockets, automatic machines and tanks, and washing machines, cars and a chewing gum. Correctly, therefore  always consider on , i.e. what real standard of living of the person in the country, irrespective of mutual exchange rates on international scene interests. V>> today's directly we tell "", not causing envy, has access to such standard of living, which else 100 years ago it was accessible only rather to men of means. V>> therefore, matter is not in "well/badly", and in that not strongly is worse, than at others. For example, not strongly is worse, than in other developed countries. M> well so yes, naturally. Problem in that at a socialism a standard of living the Normal standard of living. You translate kindergartens, schools, HIGH SCHOOL, habitation, fare on transport, health service (including mandatory annual surveys) in money and be surprised. M> at which people perish in fight for a cud strongly worse, than in other developed countries In crushes and in the USA people  and worldwide. Yes, in the late eighties in the USSR there was a natural mass hysteria on all western. Therefore the USSR also collapsed, . Good fellows, well worked... Not washing so , as ... V>> And such things . To me once a star of the order 70  annual in NY, but I so estimated that the first years I will naturally beg and left,  here on smaller  I feel the rich person (I can allow much to myself), and there would feel myself poor. M> so it is the best illustration of a standard of living. The more low level, the below the price. The white person in any beggarly Nigeria on $5 can feel as the Arabian sheikh. It still can be an index of a monetization of a social infrastructure. In the USA this index very high - you pay GENERALLY FOR EVERYTHING, and pay it is a lot of. As a result, the index of foliation of a society even is worse, than in "backward Russia". I tell - everywhere "social filters". You can not pay for journey on paid road - go on free, . Simply it in one and a half time more long and in a deplorable state. But you will not irritate with a type of the large coach a sight of the middle class assured of the success and in success "Americas generally".) ) Here walk, there do not walk, there there live "other people". They like too as Americans, but there even it is not accepted to consider these subjects. It goes under article of internal values somewhere at level of pollution of atmosphere, somehow so. Such not so good objective reality from which it is possible to struggle loudly from tribunes, , but in daily life it is accepted not to note, pretend tightly that it is not present. M>>> And in the Russian Federation the society cannot pass from feudalism by "market" capitalism yet. V>> and late already. Now without interference gos-va in capitalism anything acceptable does not happen." Wild "capitalism sputtered out to disorder of the USSR. M>"wild"capitalism in the USSR by capitalism has just the same relation, as well as"communism"of the late USSR to communism. I about" cannot pass "yet. Pure market capitalism in the developed countries already is not present for a long time. V>> Because if the Russian Federation again will type on 10-15 % of gross national product annually about independence forget. M> it is threat  such? Yes I not from myself"threaten". It as threat of the doctor: - will continue to accept drugs - is mandatory die! - you threaten me???-)) M>" the occupational power "is any scarecrow? It is internal discomfort, first of all. It is the daily transaction with itself. M> That bad in" the occupational power "(again we follow the abstract example)? If tomorrow the Russian Federations occupy  from a planet of Nibiru and construct the prospering free state is it will be good or bad? Certainly it is bad. The only thing that to me brought happiness (I will not be afraid this word) in this life, it when looking back back to me was on something to look with the pride, made me. All remaining conducts to degradation and degeneration. Here construct  to us a wonderful life, accustom to good, through 2-3 generations we absolutely weaken rolls, and then they stupidly depart. And to us there and then the khan. And only in this place it becomes clear that thus  with us stupidly struggled, simply type without direct military aggression.) ) V>> Than was the Maidan in our opinion from Crimea? - First of all display of monstrous disrespect for own fellow citizens. M> it is a known problem of human perception from which nothing can be made - the person considers an environmental reality such to what it seems on  to sensations. I am afraid, when to you speak not clearly from what "you " your subjective response will differ not strongly from subjective response of other people. At such deals you can consider its objective. V>> Shutju,  so it is impossible, certainly. Because of it the country can collapse. Simply we understood it, and moral freaks - are not present. Therefore, disorganized the country and this process yet the nuance that moral freaks generally rent the air did not end M> Only, and real actions on country disorder were made by you. And power overthrow was unreal, what ? Toy?) ) Well it is finite, if we before  in the end the same Lvov area and it would began to separate, it would be possible to speak in the same way:" You disorganize the country ", and upon we would disorganize. Well it in an invented reality. In this the country was disorganized by you, certainly. You made so that people did not want to have with you ANYTHING the GENERAL. You are simple  in this place over real emotions of" other side ". So. Not to be intersected, not to know even that you exist. The unique reason on which Ukraine is still interesting to us is because of half of the population, which same as we, but it appeared the hostage of a situation. We remember it every minute. It is simple to you  for speculation. Because time does not treat this illness. M> therefore I would not shift a part of the responsibility on someone else. But you here from the moment of the appearance only also are occupied by a responsibility rearrangement. Did not reconcile to the disrespectful relation, did not reconcile to a lawlessness, did not reconcile to pressure - it is guilty. Now you though understand, for what fascists call you? Simply transited already, we know. The same . In this sense we "are in the same way guilty" to fascists, . V>> because moral freaks assumed the right to decide that generally there is a moral ugliness. M> and who should decide, what such moral ugliness? smile the mentality of a society is formed by centuries, and you want for all to steam Majdanov it to change. Monstrous nonsense (and it again not search in an epithet, and the strong shortage). M>>> And in the Russian Federation it is accepted to pretend that all and so it is fine. V>> it is not accepted never. But after happened to Ukraine a little became silent, there is a such. Because all is learned in comparing. And from this comparing people in the Russian Federation simply oh-ate. Not, people live, rejoice, copulate, thump... But somewhere inside the majority did not depart from this shock yet. You after all did not know it, truly? M> I not about , and about tolerance to inequality and servile relations. And I am equal about it. M> Sechin  - well constructed and is normal. M> Released Serdjukova for the stolen billions - well and let, all the same not ours. M> on  for a repost closed - so itself it is guilty, there is nothing to gad on meetings. M> forbade cheese - and it is good, who this cheese only guzzles. M> closed the Internet - and it is correct, one porno on this Internet M> the Tsar on a throne of 20 years - so it good / and who, if not it? M> special people appeared - and and it is necessary, unless differently can be? Otherwise can be. But not how it happens in Ukraine. Well here at you again 90th years. How many it is possible on the same rake? So more than 85 % in the Russian Federation and so it is all perfectly understood, but was the order of 15 % which it is noticeable . Now this value was pressed to less than 5 %, i.e. to level . V>> You this... It turns out you consider, what Majdany are formed by itself, truly? M> and this here the strange confidence that people cannot quit on  to protest - too therefrom. Can quit. To defend 4 months - is not present. It is necessary, to begin with, non-stop on all channels on this Maidan to call, wind people rage, hatred... And there, on the Maidan - on the contrary to show unity and other "for all good". Well both conditions to provide. And spending the night to 400  for a night. And the salary of sotnikov-degenerates in r-not 5-10   in a month. , "the national Maidan" is very expensive action. M> Vsmysle as so, someone quitted to tell, what it against? Unless the such can be generally in the nature? Yes can, can. Already was such twice after the Maidan of 2013-2014th years. Also what? One TV channel made quite neutral release of news about it. Neutral, Charles! Came running , broke technics to this TV channel. And people dispersed in 3 days,  it is boring. Actors do not come,  nobody brings up, on a TV set about them  not words. Stand as idiots an ass freeze. Unless it is the Maidan??? Here in 2013 - here that ... Cool after all was , truly? Impressions on all life probably? (Any smilie, yes  the such again approaches???)

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Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: DH> If suddenly tomorrow what that by miracle, in Ukraine happens a socialist revolution. That in two hours per Kiev will be the Russian armies that it to crush. How many it is ready to deliver?

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Hello, vdimas, you wrote: DH>> If suddenly tomorrow what that by miracle, in Ukraine happens a socialist revolution. That in two hours per Kiev will be the Russian armies that it to crush. V> how many it is ready to deliver? Va-bank

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Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: DH>>> If suddenly tomorrow what that by miracle, in Ukraine happens a socialist revolution. That in two hours per Kiev will be the Russian armies that it to crush. V>> how many it is ready to deliver? DH> Va-bank Then forward, on an armored car with speech. For successful  too it is absolutely not a pity to me of everything that at me is.)) when still the such you will see?.

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K> to bang  , and its property to give to the state budget. To you it will be worse, better or it is violet? Balls, !

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Hello, vdimas, you wrote: DH>>>> If suddenly tomorrow what that by miracle, in Ukraine happens a socialist revolution. That in two hours per Kiev will be the Russian armies that it to crush. V>>> how many it is ready to deliver? DH>> Va-bank V> Then forward, on an armored car with speech. V> for successful  too it is absolutely not a pity to me of everything that at me is.)) V> when still the such you will see?. The statement that was not about successful revolution, and about the Russian armies.

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Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: V>> Then forward, on an armored car with speech. V>> for successful  too it is absolutely not a pity to me of everything that at me is.)) V>> when still the such you will see?. DH> the statement that was not about successful revolution, and about the Russian armies. I agree to give you all at any deals in a case .)) It is just necessary to be defined still not only with, whether the Russian armies or not, but also with their status come. If seized power officially call as to Syria for support of the order in the country (i.e. supports of the new power) it who loses dispute - you or I?

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Hello, vdimas, you wrote: V> If seized power officially call as to Syria for support of the order in the country (i.e. supports of the new power) it who loses dispute - you or I? I like Russian would write, and you all the same do not understand: That in two hours per Kiev will be the Russian armies that its (revolution) to crush.