Hello, vdimas, you wrote: M>> start conditions and a competition it is two orthogonal vectors of influence, especially in the modern changing world. V> pipes. Without the good formation, which very expensive in the West, the subsequent competition that is not. Because such formation is accessible only "". And, to it it is rather glad. Did not note unless that western the principle of "social filters", type of the big annual payments in what-thread golf club generally is pleasant. Gates, Jobs and Tsukerberg without ' ' formations now laugh to you directly in the person. Certainly, if your father the billionaire and mum the billionaire from approximately 90 % probability and the child will be the billionaire and at it is odds in the form of formation, position and communications. BUT in the same way, as it is all it is possible worthlessly , and the person without formation, position and communications can become the new billionaire. Only the rule of natural evolution - more successful generation leaves descendants and more favourable position. So it is the next crying in favor of poor. In the normal world any driver of the truck in a state to provide qualitative (formation in the USA is not restricted to Harward) training to a sonny if that not absolutely that that became the engineer or the lawyer, is not present generally any barriers insuperable to it. It not any astronomical totals, of the USA higher education costs 30-60 % salaries in a year, besides in a heap of places and possibilities for interested persons to study more cheaply or free of charge. And in the modern world of possibilities for free or nearly so free education besides HIGH SCHOOLS - now one million. V> the western model of a competition anyway is not healthy, breaks competing on classes where passage from one class in another is rare and about it knows the whole world in the form of those exceptions confirming rules.) ) Any examples from cinema about the world of the upper 0.1 % of people, golf clubs and yachts. If you the vagabond without formation probably, it will be really difficult to get in top-managers of Microsoft. Moreover, I am afraid to present the world in which it is easy for making. V> and what here was not clear? I do not like your categoricalness in a combination to the claim for thoughtfulness which you diligently feign. According to a popular axiom, the clever person should doubt in all, and the facts for it - the highest value. You show the highest value the point of view on the facts against insufficiency/nepolnotsenosti of the facts. I do not like your categoricalness in a combination to the claim for thoughtfulness which you diligently feign. M>> at a socialism outside people should pay losses of the careless bankers who have admitted ruin of bank (if to take the abstract bank, instead of this specific case)? V> I Am afraid, in my model to destroy bank not probably. And you again hurry up with outputs (your questions contain statements, and personally I consider such form of a question as "curve", under such circuit banal reproaches in banal are under construction). In the world there is nothing impossible, even that is impossible basically, too happens at least once. and the example about bank is at all from this opera. With the same indignation it is possible to speak "here now at me in a court yard and a dirt. Let's construct a socialism, at a socialism it is impossible basically in a court yard!" No. Generally any relation. That in a court yard there was no dirt - it is necessary to find the yard keeper and to give to it of money - here so elementarily this problem without any overthrow of a state system dares. Exactly same with banks. That citizens did not carry losses from the destroyed banks - there should be a system of insurance of contributions. And that the banker did not carry away money from bank home - there should be an operating Office of Public Prosecutor, court and . Everything, here is not present any higher mathematics, for this purpose it is not necessary to dethrone capitalism and to build a socialism in flow of five hundred years, in many countries of it achieved 100-200 years ago. And that in the Russian Federation it as did not work in 90 so does not work and now, and the state provides till now interests not ordinary citizens, and interests of elite - a sign of that the state in the Russian Federation was not possible a little, or as here like to write for the sake of a witty remark - failed. Neither capitalism, nor a socialism in no way does not characterize it. V> allow to consider. V> China - 21 trillion on , the 1400 million population, annual on turns out approximately 15 (2016, V> the USA - 18 trillion, the 323 million population, approximately 56 (2016. V> x = ~ 27 years. Well, in the is most optimistical-fantastic scenario it is necessary for China only to catch up with really, 30-40 years the USA, but it actually is not strongly basic, it is necessary to understand that on the one hand the segment in 30 years - is extremely far, and any forecasts for this period have accuracy about 50 % is how to consider current economy from the point of view 80 years, or to consider economy 70 from 30 - position changes cardinally. On the other hand, in such kuhonno-narrow-minded approach of the USA for a long time not the leader, the same Singapore as overtook 20 years the USA on - and nobody speaks about restraint of Singapore. Norway overtakes 10 years the USA - nobody speaks about restraint of Norway. So to consider world politics through a prism the USA in superimposing on other countries - very much uproshchenno-konspirologichesky the approach, all is much more difficult. Politicians often do not understand that happens in the politician, without speaking about housewives who see the schedule two times a year. M>> without speaking about Russia. V> we take pre-crisis indexes of growth (the order of 7.5 % annual), now approximately 27 (2016. Till 2008 there was a growth of 7-8 % some years, since then it permanently decreases, and now has the negative value so to predict growth of 7 % in flow of 30 years it at all superfabulousness, and something from area of an unscientific fantasy. M>> so yes, only it for some reason permanently collapses . V> Permanently disorganize from the outside. V> It as a red rag for a bull.) ) Oh this old story about the dancer and feet. I will not remember Something, as any capitalist system spoke - "you know, something capitalism is impossible to us, give we better reversely to feudalism we pass". It is impossible to prevent in historical scale to development of more progressive public formation from less progressive, in the same way as it is impossible to prevent thermodynamics or evolution laws - if any formation is more favourable, than another - it invariably wins. V> in crushes and in the USA people and worldwide. V> yes, in the late eighties in the USSR was a natural mass hysteria on all western. Therefore the USSR also collapsed, . So the hysteria on the western does not arise for no reason or because someone so told, the hysteria arises because of absence of domestic/qualitative analogs. It is unique, it selects, it gives certain distinctive "status". Beatles, a rock'n'roll, the dandies, all this cult. The same fight for a cud happened for absolutely prosaic reason - in the USSR at that point in time there was no cud any from a word absolutely. Because a cud, , a rock'n'roll and dandies - excesses, the Soviet person should be gray, not be selected, and be content with that is. V>>> and such things . To me once a star of the order 70 annual in NY, but I so estimated that the first years I will naturally beg and left, here on smaller I feel the rich person (I can allow much to myself), and there would feel myself poor. M>> so it is the best illustration of a standard of living. The more low level, the below the price. The white person in any beggarly Nigeria on $5 can feel as the Arabian sheikh. V> it still can be an index of a monetization of a social infrastructure. In the USA this index very high - you pay GENERALLY FOR EVERYTHING, and pay it is a lot of. As a result, the index of foliation of a society even is worse, than in "backward Russia". So completely to avoid society foliation you are possible only total , and like against total ? And the social infrastructure is not from the sky if you do not pay for it directly, you mean pay for it indirectly. Anywhere in the world there can not be a free education and medicine, there can be only the formation paid by straight lines or indirect taxes of citizens, on another in any way. Money from heavens does not fall on the states. And, by the way, the best illustration of a communistic principle "to everyone on abilities" - if you can earn it on good service - you receive it. If you can not - means you receive the bad service. And identical service for all is just . V> I tell - everywhere "social filters". You can not pay for journey on paid road - go on free, . Simply it in one and a half time more long and in a deplorable state. But you will not irritate with a type of the large coach a sight of the middle class assured of the success and in success "Americas generally".) ) Naturally. Sm above. If you cannot earn on good road - go on the bad. Money it, of course, not so good criterion of success, but the best is not invented yet. M>> that bad in "the occupational power" (again we follow the abstract example)? If tomorrow the Russian Federations occupy from a planet of Nibiru and construct the prospering free state is it will be good or bad? V> certainly it is bad. Than? V> the only thing that to me brought happiness (I will not be afraid this word) in this life, it when looking back back to me was on something to look with the pride, made me. All remaining conducts to degradation and degeneration. V> here construct to us a wonderful life, accustom to good, through 2-3 generations we absolutely weaken rolls, and then they stupidly depart. And to us there and then the khan. And only in this place it becomes clear that thus with us stupidly struggled, simply type without direct military aggression.) ) If the society degrades from the free wonderful life, the society means is not ready to good, let is returned in caves, catches mammoths and develops further. I do not see in it any problem. Note, it anything does not differ at all from the scenario when tomorrow instead of the abstract Ulyanov comes and constructs a socialism. Then that Ulyanov thus struggles with the population? V> I Am afraid, when to you speak not clearly from what "you " your subjective response will differ not strongly from subjective response of other people. At such deals you can consider its objective. Purely in my opinion, if someone tells me not clearly from what "you " - that it exceptional problems of this person. If it it is sincere so considers - well, it it a sight, to it with it to live. And if he so actually does not consider - that it especially its problem. V> Well it is finite, if we before in the end the same Lvov area and it would began to separate, it would be possible to speak in the same way: "you disorganize the country", and upon we would disorganize. Well it in an invented reality. In this the country was disorganized by you, certainly. You made so that people did not want to have with you ANYTHING the GENERAL. You are simple in this place over real emotions of "other side". So. Not to be intersected, not to know even that you exist. Here it is just necessary to be fair before itself first of all. If you do not want to have something in common - means it is necessary and to tell - "yes, we do not want to have something in common with this country, we disorganized it, it is not necessary to us". And here here "you know it, we do not want anything the general to have with them, but we here is perfect at anything, they such country disorganized it, as it was good, here is reverse as all to return." Is a little such petty duplicity. V> well here at you again 90th years. V> how many it is possible on the same rake? It is possible long. You will not learn to attack a rake yet. Another that alternatives are not present - nobody comes and does not tell, how it is necessary, there are no planetary schools on creation of a prospering civil society. Only to study on a private experience. V>>> you this... It turns out you consider, what Majdany are formed by itself, truly? M>> and this here the strange confidence that people cannot quit on to protest - too therefrom. V> can Quit. To defend 4 months - is not present. Not to construct to you any socialism with such mentality. If you consider that the self-motivation and self-organizing of group of people in flow of 3-4 months is it is impossible basically - that of any socialism, only the supervisor, only a stick, and to work, work and work, as bequeathed great L.