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Hello, milvic, you wrote: M> And further, me here it seems that if an imperial family did not shoot, and there were no persecutions of intelligency, noblemen and other Durov, Brin and 100500 left scientists now worked to Russia. Or on the Third Reich, by means of a pick and a shovel. A subjunctive mood in  a piece such, two-edged.

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Hello, milvic, you wrote: M> And further, me here it seems, what if an imperial family did not shoot, and there were no persecutions of intelligency, noblemen of That of bad in persecutions on phrasemongers and gangsters?

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Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: DH> Roman Arkadevich Abramovich - the Russian businessman, the billionaire, the former governor of Chukchi autonomous region. From October, 22nd, till July, 2nd, 2013 - the chairman of the Duma of Chukchi autonomous region. DH> [/q] It does not influence the Supreme power. At local level - influences. But in this case it appears as the person subordinated to the president more likely. Compare it to a situation in Ukraine where all in the country dares the oligarchic small party. Or even in the USA where there is a lobbyism open system, and even the president - the businessman.

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Hello, VladD2, you wrote: DH>> Roman Arkadevich Abramovich - the Russian businessman, the billionaire, the former governor of Chukchi autonomous region. From October, 22nd, till July, 2nd, 2013 - the chairman of the Duma of Chukchi autonomous region. DH>> [/q] VD> It does not influence the Supreme power. At local level - influences. But in this case it appears as the person subordinated to the president more likely. It reminds me feudalism. When there is a Supreme feudal lord - the king, and on places - feudal lords it is less. Type in submission.

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Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: DH> it reminds me feudalism. When there is a Supreme feudal lord - the king, and on places - feudal lords it is less. Type in submission. Aha. And me communism. There too the hierarchy was, as in other and everywhere. Here only to a question of oligarchs it is relations has no.

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Hello, VladD2, you wrote: DH>> it reminds me feudalism. When there is a Supreme feudal lord - the king, and on places - feudal lords it is less. Type in submission. VD> aha. And me communism. There too the hierarchy was, as in other and everywhere. Only not communism, and the USSR. Look do not confuse!

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Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: DH> it reminds me feudalism. When there is a Supreme feudal lord - the king, and on places - feudal lords it is less. Type in submission. A feudalism essence not in submission. The hierarchy of the power is in any social order, except unless primitive-communal.

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Hello, Night Looking, you wrote: DH>> it reminds me feudalism. When there is a Supreme feudal lord - the king, and on places - feudal lords it is less. Type in submission. NANOSECOND> a feudalism Essence not in submission. The hierarchy of the power is in any social order, except unless primitive-communal. It turns out oligarchs-abramovichi not in submission at Putin?

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Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: NANOSECOND>> a feudalism Essence not in submission. The hierarchy of the power is in any social order, except unless primitive-communal. DH> it turns out oligarchs-abramovichi not in submission at Putin? It turns out that submission is not a unique sign of feudalism

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Hello, Night Looking, you wrote: NANOSECOND>>> a feudalism Essence not in submission. The hierarchy of the power is in any social order, except unless primitive-communal. DH>> it turns out oligarchs-abramovichi not in submission at Putin? The NANOSECOND> Turns out that submission is not a unique sign of feudalism and can is simple there is no submission?  (from other-grech. , from  "sacred" and  "board") generally words about submission.

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Hello, vdimas, you wrote: Q>> If you could be released from Marxist dogmas and look independently would see that in Russia the power of special services is installed. V> and in the USA the people power, probably? In the USA precisely there is no power of special services, I to you guarantee it. And as to sarcasm about "the people power" explain to me how to the power Tramp came? Obviously political strike there is, or you with it will argue? And  yes, the people solve, what of imperious elite (if you like this word more) will correct next 4 years.

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Hello, Socrat, you wrote: S>> all is real indeed - toadies and  in power which do not have any ideology except "for all good" in words, and in practice tamping of the pockets. S> and unless once was differently? Than present  in power differ from  which were, say, two hundred years ago? Two hundred years ago in power was not . In power there were the educated noblemen knowing of some languages and reading to Russo and Adam Smith. And still important difference - those authorities, unlike present, did not think of themselves in a lift-off from the country.

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Hello, qwertyuiop, you wrote: S>> And unless once was differently? Than present  in power differ from  which were, say, two hundred years ago? Q> Two hundred years ago in power was not . In power there were the educated noblemen knowing of some languages and reading to Russo and Adam Smith. And still important difference - those authorities, unlike present, did not think of themselves in a lift-off from the country. And why these educated noblemen after only 100 years  the whole Empire?

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Hello, qwertyuiop, you wrote: V>> And in the USA the people power, probably? Q> and as to sarcasm about "the people power" explain to me how to the power Tramp came? Here you soiled me.  - it from the people, precisely. How I could forget?

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Hello, Nik, you wrote: M>> And further, me here it seems, what if an imperial family did not shoot, and there were no persecutions of intelligency, noblemen N> That bad in persecutions on phrasemongers and gangsters? That among them there are scientists, businessmen, and simply talented dudes. And as a whole, if the person did not break the law it is not necessary to touch it.

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Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: DH> and can it is simple there is no submission? DH> DH> Ierarhija (from other-grech. , from  "sacred" and  "board") DH> generally words about submission. To control without submission? In an original way.

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Hello, vdimas, you wrote: DH>> and can it is simple there is no submission? DH>> DH>> Ierarhija (from other-grech. , from  "sacred" and  "board") DH>> generally words about submission. V> to control without submission? V> it is original. And you see a word "submission" in "hierarchy"? I do not see Pavel I - there was an absolute monarch. But when he solved that it is not necessary to be on friendly terms with England, and it is necessary with France. With it there was an apoplectic seizure a snuffbox on a head. And all because was absolute submission of subordinate feudal lords

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Hello, vdimas, you wrote: V>>> And in the USA the people power, probably? Q>> and as to sarcasm about "the people power" explain to me how to the power Tramp came? V> Here you soiled me.  - it from the people, precisely. How I could forget? Again you start to spin, how on a frying pan and to leave from a subject? In Russia there was new, hitherto an unprecedented system: . The author: qwertyuiop Date: 14.12 11:55 And in the USA there is no power of special services, the Author: qwertyuiop Date: 15.12 07:47 are under the dense control of the state. And political strike there is, with it even you do not try to argue. And the people solve, what of imperious elite will correct next 4 years. And talk about, whether it is good for the state if to the power children come , you can begin in other branch.

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Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: V>> to Control without submission? V>> it is original. DH> and you see a word "submission" in "hierarchy"? When speech about hierarchy of submission? - It is natural. Or it was necessary to remind that there is no "simply hierarchy" that this word imply only one of varieties of the graph of certain relations. DH> I do not see Without problems, then to you a twain.

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Hello, qwertyuiop, you wrote: V>>>> And in the USA the people power, probably? Q>>> and as to sarcasm about "the people power" explain to me how to the power Tramp came? V>> Here you soiled me.  - it from the people, precisely. How I could forget? Q> again you start to spin, how on a frying pan and to leave from a subject? Regain consciousness, , I you caught it.)) Q> in Russia there was new, hitherto an unprecedented system: . Also arrived . And the finger has been sucked round to a bone. Q> and in the USA there is no power of special services, they are under the dense control of the state. What "gos-va", even if the President there - anybody? So who there "gos-in"? That such delirium , it was necessary already a foot to a bone to credit.

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Hello, mjau, you wrote: M> Gates, Jobs and Tsukerberg without '  ' formations now laugh to you directly in the person. The naive young man. Passage from one class in another is rare and about it knows the whole world in the form of those exceptions confirming rules. M> it is finite, if your father the billionaire and mum the billionaire from approximately 90 % probability and the child will be the billionaire and at it is odds in the form of formation, position and communications. Just about. The keyword in all is to a tirade - "certainly". M> BUT in the same way how it is all it should is possible worthlessly  to go It under article of excuses or where?) ) M> and the person without formation, position and communications can become the new billionaire. Here statistics says that this probability less than one million share of one percent. For the whole world for the last 40 years you could enumerate only 3 surnames (yes let them even would be from tens), and those have been connected with arisen with 0-lja area - with IT. Here most it is not a shame so to be substituted? M> only a rule of natural evolution - more successful generation leaves descendants and more favourable position. You are again substituted by misunderstanding of words with which you operate. Evolution here works only within one-two generations. And then, on the contrary, evolution mechanisms are disconnected because of class insulation. M> so it is the next crying in favor of poor. It is next  ignoramuses. It was necessary to give in large quantities poor formation in the USSR as they showed achievements in a science frequently better natives of rich families,  there in respect of mind (for the obvious reasons) from generation in generation happens on the contrary - degradation. Too after all the known fact. M> in the normal world any driver of the truck in a state to provide qualitative (formation in the USA is not restricted to Harward) in the USA not in a state. The maximum that is presumed to itself by a rather poor family - college. It is type of our TECHNICAL TRAINING COLLEGE, only is worse.  after their college still it is necessary to take in addition the prof. of occupation on a speciality, and at us after the TECHNICAL TRAINING COLLEGE - it is not necessary. Well or to live in a trailer, instead of the house, to educate children in college better. Here on a choice. You would like to live the life in a trailer? M> training to a sonny if that not absolutely  that that became the engineer or the lawyer, is not present generally any barriers insuperable to it. A barrier is money. To me in office many local Americans stood in a queue with questions. And there questions of often level of 1-2nd courses HIGH SCHOOL or present 10-11th classes of school (up to banal geometry). You after all lose sight that they under the school program have a lag approximately for couple of years and it is all it is necessary to catch up at institute. In the total, in their HIGH SCHOOL for the first 4 years they transit approximately as much, how many at us for the first 2 years of training, but they already receive a crust of the bachelor. And then it is necessary to take as early as 2 years to receive, , higher education. Also there is it still approximately in 1.5-2 times more expensively for a year. In general, there not formation, and the mechanism on exhaustion of money. More or less normal formation, level of our provinces (Kazan, Ufa, Kharkov, Sevastopol) - it there costs simply transcendental money and not that to parents-shofram it is not accessible, but also much where as to richer parents too. Therefore, there credits for formation which you approximately till 32-35 years give are popular. It instead of house purchase on credit, it you take later. , from bottoms to be punched upward in the USA it is actually impossible.  is a natural randomness, a situation too known - the guy-student appeared in a proper place in due time. And others hundred millions for the last 40 years did not appear. Bill Gates and Jobs - too kiddies not from simple families. Without their communications of anything at them would not fly. In the sense that they would not retain the business in the hands. Them would redeem in the same way as redeem thousand similar startups annually. M> it not any astronomical totals Looking how to consider. In the USA generally all . Each of payments like not astronomical, but astronomical is an amount of these payments. And it was the most unpleasant discovery for me once. I.e. From here their money seemed big, and arriving there I saw that more than 80 % of Americans live sharply more poorly me. Well unless the situation from a car at them is hardly more interesting,  in 1.5-2 times the car at that point in time was cheaper and the credit for it in 5 times is cheaper. And if to take the true cost of THEIR house in recalculation on its cost here ( - doghouses) it is possible to state safely that approximately 90 % , will be poorer than our, strongly standing on the feet person. To simply you  in ears poured, and you and checked. And it is necessary to check most.

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TG> And why these educated noblemen after only 100 years  the whole Empire? Because  Lenin and Stalin shot noblemen.

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VI> Balls, ! With you it is clear. Will be worse. It was described.

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Hello, turbocode, you wrote: TG>> And why these educated noblemen after only 100 years  the whole Empire? T> because  Lenin and Stalin shot noblemen. Lenin and Stalin came to power, when the former empire was called as Already Russian republic. However, to whom I tell it ...