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Topic: The space screwdriver assembly

Recently thought, and that it is all say that what Americans were on the Moon is abruptly? I.e. if to tell about human achievement - that not a question, great event was. But why it is considered American, instead of German achievement? The USA as a matter of fact was screwdriver manufacture + selected a part of the propaganda budget. It certainly is remarkable, but after all they and did not master rocket creation. Flight on the Moon at all their dream was, they at us and Germans filched it.

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N> Recently thought, and that it is all say that what Americans were on the Moon is abruptly? The Russian Federations and anybody another on the Moon were not till now, therefore and abruptly that Americans were on the Moon and it at the time of when also computers that were not still normal.

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Hello, Nik, you wrote: N> Recently thought, and that it is all say that what Americans were on the Moon is abruptly? N> I.e. if to tell about human achievement - that not a question, great event was. But why it is considered American, instead of German achievement? The USA as a matter of fact was screwdriver manufacture + selected a part of the propaganda budget. It certainly is remarkable, but after all they and did not master rocket creation. Flight on the Moon at all their dream was, they at us and Germans filched it. And autovases and a harmony  not our achievement and Italian

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Hello, turbocode, you wrote: N>> Recently thought, and that it is all say that what Americans were on the Moon is abruptly? T> the Russian Federations and anybody another on the Moon were not till now, therefore and abruptly that Americans were on the Moon and it at the time of when also computers that were not still normal. , the USSR there was the first, launched there a heap of stations and robots.

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Hello, snautSH, you wrote: \N>> I.e. if to tell about human achievement - that not a question, great event was. But why it is considered American, instead of German achievement? The USA as a matter of fact was screwdriver manufacture + selected a part of the propaganda budget. It certainly is remarkable, but after all they and did not master rocket creation. Flight on the Moon at all their dream was, they at us and Germans filched it. SH> and autovases and a harmony  not our achievement and Italian  Generally telling Flemings in China.

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T>> the Russian Federations and anybody another on the Moon were not till now, therefore and abruptly that Americans were on the Moon and it at the time of when also computers that were not still normal. N> Auu, the USSR there was the first, launched there a heap of stations and robots. Meant not robots, and . (c) Kep

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Hello, turbocode, you wrote: T>>> the Russian Federations and anybody another on the Moon were not till now, therefore and abruptly that Americans were on the Moon and it at the time of when also computers that were not still normal. N>> Auu, the USSR there was the first, launched there a heap of stations and robots. T> Meant not robots, and . (c) Kep It  and only. On the moon of people Germans on money from the budget for propagation Anyway sent.

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N> It  and only. On the moon of people Germans on money from the budget for propagation Anyway sent. The moon is not so interesting because the rate raised for a long time

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Hello, turbocode, you wrote: T> the Moon is not so interesting because the rate raised for a long time I Am afraid, the budget of the USA on it does not suffice.

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Hello, turbocode, you wrote: N>> It  and only. On the moon of people Germans on money from the budget for propagation Anyway sent. T> the moon is not so interesting because the rate raised for a long time Pf, he simply repeats Strugatsky.

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Hello, Nik, you wrote: N> I.e. if to tell about human achievement - that not a question, great event was. But why it is considered American, instead of German achievement? For the same reason, on which Soviet space-rocket program not German achievement, and Soviet. And it "is not considered", and is.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: N>> I.e. if to tell about human achievement - that not a question, great event was. But why it is considered American, instead of German achievement? P> for the same reason, on which Soviet space-rocket program not German achievement, and Soviet. And it "is not considered", and is. At us rockets did Queens and Glushko, and at them - the Background Brown.

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Hello, Nik, you wrote: N> I.e. if to tell about human achievement - that not a question, great event was. But why it is considered American, instead of German achievement? The USA as a matter of fact was screwdriver manufacture + selected a part of the propaganda budget. It certainly is remarkable, but after all they and did not master rocket creation. Flight on the Moon at all their dream was, they at us and Germans filched it. Many people consider flights on the Moon as German achievement, not only you such clever.

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Hello, Nik, you wrote: N> At us rockets did Queens and Glushko, and at them - the Background Brown. Only our rockets were at the beginning exact copies German, Queens and Glushko studied, and studied and on German samples, and group Grettrupa helped, and even in -7 and its descendants there were some echoes of the German approach. And at the time of the lunar program it is possible to consider Brown as the American of a German origin already.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, marcopolo, you wrote: M> Many people consider flights on the Moon as German achievement, not only you such clever. I will assume that that especially among Germans... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: P> Hello, Nik, you wrote: N>> At us rockets did Queens and Glushko, and at them - the Background Brown. P> only our rockets were at the beginning exact copies German, Queens and Glushko studied, and studied and on German samples, and group Grettrupa helped, and even in -7 and its descendants there were some echoes of the German approach. And at the time of the lunar program it is possible to consider Brown as the American of a German origin already. Nevertheless our rockets after -2 - Soviet + dreams of space domestic. And at Americans - a key role in development for the taken out Germans, from Redstouna to Appolona.

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Hello, Nik, you wrote: N> Nevertheless our rockets after -2 - Soviet + dreams of space domestic. Our rockets gradually got rid of "German", -2 upgrade -4, -5 - the new rocket based on principles and partly technologies of Germans, -7 - the rocket  some approaches. N> and at Americans - a key role in development for the taken out Germans, from Redstouna to Appolona. So Brown like as supervised over development of Saturn, and not so all program Apollo. And whether many Germans remain on key posts in that its command And bases, theoretical and practical, rocket production Germans put, and them used both the USSR and the USA.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: P> Hello, Nik, you wrote: N>> Nevertheless our rockets after -2 - Soviet + dreams of space domestic. P> our rockets gradually got rid of "German", -2 upgrade -4, the Strong-willed decision of a manual. From the point of view to compare and use elements it is useful. But politically it appeared harmfully. P> -5 - the new rocket based on principles and partly technologies of the Germans, Some elements were pleasant. P> -7 - the rocket  some approaches. Developed the, it is better German. P> so Brown like as supervised over development of Saturn, and not so all program Apollo. And whether many Germans remain on key posts in that its command So he not one ran away, and with a command. By the way: Americans developed the alternative project. And only when it completely failed, gave to Brown  to green light. P> And bases, theoretical and practical, rocket production Germans put, and them used both the USSR and the USA. , Queens, "Katyusha" - not! Did not hear!

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Hello, Nik, you wrote: N> and at them - the Background Brown. Directly at the machine tool stood?

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Hello, biochemist, you wrote: B> the Strong-willed decision of a manual. From the point of view to compare and use elements it is useful. Strong-willed and not absolutely indisputable decision it only idea to take advantage almost completely copied -1, but also here the reason was - the industry mastered a new class of products, details, raw materials. B> but politically it appeared harmfully. Yes all was  while it became not well-known, and  we dig in the past with words "politically harmfully" B> Some elements were pleasant. It always so, is not present sense to develop from an empty place when it is possible to take something for a basis. B> developed the, it is better German. Yes, but also the separate elements tested and at that point in time justified did not refuse. B> so it not one ran away, and with a command. It took out with a command, whether but she developed Saturn-5 B> By the way: Americans developed the alternative project. And only when it completely failed, gave to Brown  to green light. It about start of the first companion likely. B> Tsialkovky, Queens, "Katyusha" - not! Did not hear! Tsiolkovsky it is faster the theorist-dreamer in good sense and the ideologist of outer space exploration. Queens in ballistic missiles to Fau-2 was not engaged, but certainly it at that point in time was the engineer and the designer in reactive area skilled and without knowledge, experience and its talents, Glushko and others to create in the USSR rocket production and astronautics so "Katyusha" it quickly would not turn out a little from other area, it the general principle of driving connects to ballistic missiles only.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, biochemist, you wrote: B> the Strong-willed decision of a manual. From the point of view to compare and use elements it is useful. But politically it appeared harmfully. The concept of engines was invented by Brown, and since then exchanged nothing. Technologies changed only. B> Tsialkovky, Queens, "Katyusha" - not! Did not hear! You to begin with compare the reactive engine of the Katyusha and Fau.

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Hello, Socrat, you wrote: S> You to begin with compare the reactive engine of the Katyusha and Fau. Any -65 quite suitable liquid reactive engine created Glushko in 30. It can be compared to engine Fau. Another matter that to it on capacity is far to German, the task to create something similar Fau-2 before the Soviet designers did not stand also any practical development on this subject was not conducted.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: P> Any -65 quite suitable liquid reactive engine created Glushko in 30. It can be compared to engine Fau. Besides, that both of them liquid and reactive, anything the general. Now in engines those ideas which were put by Brown are used.

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Hello, Socrat, you wrote: S> Besides, that both of them liquid and reactive, anything the general. Now in engines those ideas which were put by Brown are used. It is all rather, for example, Glushko used  working on fuel principal components that is the modern approach, engine Fau - hydrogen peroxide.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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L> I Am afraid, the budget of the USA on it does not suffice. And what there the impossible? Vertical fit already works like clock-work, a fuel tank made also the engine in process. The cargo ships could already and in 2020 to try to launch to Mars. But I like idea of intercontinental flights by means of the rocket on the Earth more, here it was dug really will be.