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Topic: Parallels of uproar 2013 and 2017

It is a lot of: 1.  remains about one year. I.e. the most part of its period already could bear. 2. The attack begins more close to N.G.crop collected - it is possible and ... 3. As earlier, Jarosh agreed with  a gang, and now Saakashvili is ready to agree with the pusher. However, the last contract gave nothing to Yanukovych as anybody was not going to execute it. Whether pecks on this Poroshenko? 4.  the same -  . Impeachment and dissolution are glad. 5.  let out from under guards - Saakashvilis let out from under guards. 6. The power seriously does not concern uproar, think that can suppress. 7. The feeling that just about all ends also all disperse. Your forecasts?

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Re: Parallels of uproar 2013 and 2017

S> your forecasts? The vegetable had in the street a revolutionary situation, now it is not present. Corruption very feeble argument for the people because also the people quite often trade in it.

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Hello, turbocode, you wrote: T> the vegetable had in the street a revolutionary situation, now it is not present. Whether was? It is remembered, the Maidan began quite peacefully, supported reduction of prices on gas including. While all did not depart to devils with snipers

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Hello, turbocode, you wrote: T> the vegetable had in the street a revolutionary situation, now it is not present. Why is not present? That Mahlo that war civil, the pusher  (including holds an offshore and factory in Russia)? The requirement to eliminate thievish,  the power is quite justified. Also there is even an applicant - Saakashvili who has no factories paracourses, arranged kind cleaning at customs in Odessa and so forth T> Corruption very feeble argument for the people because also the people quite often trade in it. And oligarchs in power argument? This one of requirements of last Maidan. Know who such oligarch?

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wl. Whether> was? It is remembered, the Maidan began quite peacefully, supported reduction of prices on gas including. While all did not depart to devils with snipers It does not speak, it is felt. The revolution smell soars long before in air. All understood that with a vegetable was necessary that that to do a question was only in that when will be X. P.S.  that can that to threaten only in what case that of the strong shock in , for example Putin captures Mariupol.

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Hello, turbocode, you wrote: T> It does not speak, it is felt. The revolution smell soars long before in air. All understood that with a vegetable was necessary that that to do a question was only in that when there will be an hour X. Anything in air did not soar, it back mind so seems to you. No more than now. T> P.S.  that can that to threaten only in what case that of the strong shock in , for example Putin captures Mariupol. If events 2013 in the spring 2018  departs to the Russian Federation together with Mariupol repeat.

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S> the Requirement to eliminate thievish,  the power is quite justified. This consequence instead of the reason. It is necessary to eliminate feeding troughs, to pass to open electronic tenders, to sell not strategic . The enterprises not Ahmetov for 5 copecks, and to normal owners at the market price. S> also there is even an applicant - Saakashvili who has no factories paracourses, arranged kind cleaning at customs in Odessa and so forth Saakashvili  Russia, it is very strong . It the explicit foreigner - stronger . T>> Corruption very feeble argument for the people because also the people quite often trade in it. S> and oligarchs in power argument? This one of requirements of last Maidan. There was no such requirement, it is not necessary to invent.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> your forecasts? For whose account a banquet? At the western politicians is not present either explicit support of this , or explicit disapproval of Poroshenko. Instead of will be money - there will be no animated cartoons.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> Anything in air did not soar, it back mind so seems to you. No more than now. The smell of cookies it such, not guesses each nose.

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T>> It does not speak, it is felt. The revolution smell soars long before in air. All understood that with a vegetable was necessary that that to do a question was only in that when will be X. S> Anything in air did not soar, it back mind so seems to you. No more than now. You mean as well as the vegetable was far from the people. I felt. T>> P.S.  that can that to threaten only in what case that of the strong shock in , for example Putin captures Mariupol. S> if events 2013 in the spring 2018  departs to the Russian Federation together with Mariupol repeat. Not so. At first * it is necessary to take Mariupol at Poroshenke, and then it is possible  departs to the Russian Federation. But the problem in that that * near Mariupol is not present, that  from Donetsk to Mariupol is explicit  c * that they could have access to port of Mariupol, in the military plan that  cannot exist. That is for Mariupol the Russian Federation can be at war only.

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Hello, wl., you wrote: wl. Whether> Was? It is remembered, the Maidan began quite peacefully, supported reduction of prices on gas including. While all did not depart to devils with snipers There very well organized and pumped up action. The scene, concerts, meal - for all it are necessary sponsors, without it it is difficult to lift a lot of people.

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G> There very well organized and pumped up action. The scene, concerts, meal - for all it are necessary sponsors, without it it is difficult to lift a lot of people. Without a revolutionary situation in the street it turns out nothing, only money  and .

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Hello, turbocode, you wrote: G>> There very well organized and pumped up action. The scene, concerts, meal - for all it are necessary sponsors, without it it is difficult to lift a lot of people. T> without a revolutionary situation in the street it turns out nothing, only money  and . No. Without discontent of mass nothing it turns out. It is basis, and a revolutionary situation - as radical expression of mass discontent - a consequence. So here the main thing: 1) mass discontent 2) force to which needs this discontent to use it to the advantage, it is the organizer and the financier radical actions

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G> Is not present. Without discontent of mass nothing it turns out. It is basis, and a revolutionary situation - as radical expression of mass discontent - a consequence. Name as want, I name it as a revolutionary situation. G> 1) mass discontent And what now mass discontent? Corruption? Do not make laugh.

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Hello, turbocode, you wrote: T> there was no such requirement, it is not necessary to invent. You in the mind? Look who such oligarch. It not the rich man, is the criminal who appropriated national property by political manipulations. Earlier directly declared - without oligarchs. Then issued type it concerns to  since all oligarchs are generated earlier.

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Hello, Ops, you wrote: Ops> For whose account a banquet? At the western politicians is not present either explicit support of this , or explicit disapproval of Poroshenko. Instead of will be money - there will be no animated cartoons.  dollars suffices? Kolomojsky.

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T>> there was no such requirement, it is not necessary to invent. S> you in the mind? Look who such oligarch. It not the rich man, is the criminal who appropriated national property by political manipulations. S> earlier directly declared - without oligarchs. Then issued type it concerns to  since all oligarchs are generated earlier. Well give a roller in studio where from a scene of a Maidan of Klichko or Tjagnibok shout: down with oligarchs!

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Hello, turbocode, you wrote: G>> 1) mass discontent T> And what now mass discontent? T> corruption? Do not make laugh. 1. Nobody cancelled the military tax. 2. Ahmetovsky nobody cancelled pay-sheets. 3. Hopelessness. Promise nothing even.  so to say distances (actually visa liberalization). A whisker! Promises ended. To wait for 50 years of an entrance to EU of the psychic is not present.

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Ops>> For whose account a banquet? At the western politicians is not present either explicit support of this , or explicit disapproval of Poroshenko. Instead of will be money - there will be no animated cartoons. S> Miljard of dollars suffices? Kolomojsky. What for it is Kolomojsky, which Privat successfully sold.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> Miljard of dollars suffices? Kolomojsky. Not, you will not risk, yet do not see the western support, at least the political.

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T>> Corruption? Do not make laugh. S> 1. Nobody cancelled the military tax. S> 2. Ahmetovsky nobody cancelled pay-sheets. S> 3. Hopelessness. Promise nothing even.  so to say distances (actually visa liberalization). A whisker! Promises ended. To wait for 50 years of an entrance to EU of the psychic is not present. If for you it has what that value that why you now do not help Sake to storm a palace?

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Hello, turbocode, you wrote: T> What for it is Kolomojsky, which Privat successfully sold. Who to you told that sold? He declared that at it Privat wrung out. Here also returns itself it.

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Hello, Ops, you wrote: Ops> Not, you will not risk, yet do not see the western support, at least the political. Who knows... On September, 7th Saakashvili met with Kolomojsky in Geneva. The fact. On a Maidan, perhaps, even 20 million dollars suffices. And still there is Onishchenko, at it too  is found, it met with Kolomojsky. And too it is offended on "power". I do not know, whether is  at family Janukovichej, but they could be thrown off, if it road honor.

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Hello, turbocode, you wrote: T> If for you it has what that value that why you now do not help Sake to storm a palace? So I and did not participate last time the Active minority is 4 %.

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Hello, Grizzli, you wrote: G> Is not present. Without discontent of mass nothing it turns out. And the people are always dissatisfied. It is necessary to show only to it guilty in its problems to canalize this discontent.