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Topic: Nash's balance

In a dirt there was an interesting notice. Nash's balance or Why gaz stations stand in steams, and results of fair choices are close to 50/50 we Consider such task: Two dealers sell ice-cream on a beach. A beach  from the North on the South, its expansion - 1 km. If  agree, they deliver the carts on 1/4 km from both ends of a beach so to clients them will nearby reach and  their equal income will be the greatest. It is called "system optimal" or "social Wardrop equilibrium" - social balance. Present that northern dealer ()  and moved the  close to southern (), capturing and the and a part of its clients (3/4 on 1/4). What does ? It moves the cart to beach center, guaranteeing itself half of clients. With does the same. Any change of strategy of one of dealers is unprofitable to it. It also is Nash's Balance: Dial-up of strategy in game for two and more players in which any participant cannot increase a scoring, changing the strategy if other participants of the strategy do not change. More in detail in English. Nash's strategy , why gaz stations and shops often gather in a heap instead of uniformly being arranged on a city. She explains results of fair choices: Each batch advances the program attractive to "the" part of the population (left-right) and for central fluctuating group which, as a rule, and outweighs a rope. Therefore, if an outcome of choices strongly unequal (it is more 55-45) always suspect or , or unequal conditions of candidates, or the strong incompetence of the lost.

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GZ> Nash's Strategy , why gaz stations and shops often gather in a heap instead of uniformly being arranged on a city. She explains results of fair choices: Each batch advances the program attractive to "the" part of the population (left-right) and for central fluctuating group which, as a rule, and outweighs a rope. Therefore, if an outcome of choices strongly unequal (it is more 55-45) always suspect or , or unequal conditions of candidates, or the strong incompetence of the lost. If at these gaz stations gasoline of different quality and consequently the majority on one priming go where it is not diluted is a fraud or unequal conditions of candidates?

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Hello, hlt, you wrote: hlt> If at these gaz stations gasoline of different quality and consequently the majority on one priming go where it is not diluted is a fraud or unequal conditions of candidates? About gaz stations I will disagree with the author. The income of a gaz station - depends on a location, but the buyer by the machine is very mobile. And here concerning shops quite truly. There is such rule that shops of one profile  together because buyers selecting a place where go behind purchases, first of all go there where many shops. For example, we have such place with shoe shops. And  work by the same principle. Politicians work by the same principle, there is a dial-up of the main ideas which excite the voter (in the presence of the competitive press) who is better them fulfills, at that most of all chances. It conducts to aforementioned balance.

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Hello, GlebZ, you wrote: GZ> Two dealers sell ice-cream on a beach. A beach draw out from the North on the South, its expansion - 1 km. If  agree, they deliver the carts on 1/4 km from both ends of a beach so to clients them will nearby reach and  their equal income will be the greatest. It is called "system optimal" or "social Wardrop equilibrium" - social balance. Present that northern dealer ( and moved the cart close to southern (), capturing and the and a part of its clients (3/4 on 1/4). What does ? It moves the cart to beach center, guaranteeing itself half of clients. With does the same. Explain, please, as it works, if it is more than sellers 2?

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GZ> GZ> Nash's Strategy , why gaz stations and shops often gather in a heap instead of uniformly being arranged on a city. At us shops often gather in a heap. Gaz stations - it is the extremely rare. Strategist Nash such strategist. In a fire chamber.

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Hello, GlebZ, you wrote: GZ> In a dirt there was an interesting notice. Nash's balance or Why gaz stations stand in steams, and results of fair choices are close to 50/50 because  GZ> GZ> Two dealers sell ice-cream on a beach. A beach  from the North on the South, its expansion - 1 km. If  agree, they deliver the carts on 1/4 km from both ends of a beach so to clients them will nearby reach and  their equal income will be the greatest. In northern part is colder, therefore  is in the restrained position, risking business. And there would be a beach in shape , such would not be.

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Hello, GlebZ, you wrote: GZ> Nash's Strategy , why gaz stations and shops often gather in a heap instead of uniformly being arranged on a city. She explains results of fair choices: Each batch advances the program attractive to "the" part of the population (left-right) and for central fluctuating group which, as a rule, and outweighs a rope. Therefore, if an outcome of choices strongly unequal (it is more 55-45) always suspect or , or unequal conditions of candidates, or the strong incompetence of the lost. You live in Russia, and in nonsense all trust and relay without reflexing. GZ> each batch advances the program attractive to "the" part of the population I is direct I see, how the average voter took programs and started to study thoroughly, and on the basis of them made a choice in favor of that or  the candidate. Who more populist at whom the physiognomy is less disgusting, for that and vote in the majority. Vote heart! GZ> or  it generally always suspect and not without the bases, but will suspect even without the bases, enough, that  did not converge, and if converged, means accurately swindled. GZ> unequal conditions of candidates It generally is always and everywhere in any country of the world. Who gives you equal conditions? Go and take. GZ> the strong incompetence lost About, and here even there is nothing to suspect, when everyone the first in opposition - the professional clown. Though there are still fans of type of Navalnogo... (Putin smoothed out opposition!!! 111 how long!!) thrust the balance there, where and .

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Hello, GlebZ, you wrote: GZ> And  work by the same principle. I do not remember 2 grocery hypermarkets in one . And at all did not meet in TTS , at which absolutely other niche, than at .

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Hello, andrey.desman, you wrote: AD> I am direct I see, how the average voter took programs and started to study thoroughly, and on the basis of them made a choice in favor of that or  the candidate. Who more populist at whom the physiognomy is less disgusting, for that and vote in the majority. Vote heart! Basically, in the settled equilibrium system of two equal forces, type American, as a result of everyones  to the ending two also come approximately equally populist and not strongly repugnant candidate. Therefore also 50/50 as a result.

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Hello, GlebZ, you wrote: GZ> GZ> Two dealers sell ice-cream on a beach. A beach  from the North on the South, its expansion - 1 km. If  agree, they deliver the carts on 1/4 km from both ends of a beach so to clients them will nearby reach and  their equal income will be the greatest. It is called "system optimal" or "social Wardrop equilibrium" - social balance. Present that northern dealer ()  and moved the  close to southern (), capturing and the and a part of its clients (3/4 on 1/4). What does ? It moves the cart to beach center, guaranteeing itself half of clients. With does the same. Any change of strategy of one of dealers is unprofitable to it. It also is Nash's Balance Evil tongues say that shopkeepers select a place casually, and therefore there does not work Nash's balance system optional, and there are they  anchored exactly on Gaussiane.

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Hello, Ops, you wrote: GZ>> And  work by the same principle. Ops> I do not remember 2 grocery hypermarkets in one . And at all did not meet in TTS , at which absolutely other niche, than at . But  and magnets like to compete to themselves. Two quintuple or a magnet in adjacent houses - quite to itself the phenomenon.

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Hello, Anonim931, you wrote: At us shops often gather in a heap. Gaz stations - it is the extremely rare. Strategist Nash such strategist. In a fire chamber. Shops too not all gather. Shops of daily demand, like grocery or small economic, can have a competitive advantage in proximity to a customer.

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Hello, GlebZ, you wrote: GZ> Therefore, if an outcome of choices strongly unequal (it is more 55-45) always suspect or , or unequal conditions of candidates, or the strong incompetence of the lost. She does not explain such. Even in the games theory, there are strategy which benefit is much more often and is  strategy. Thus Nash's balance is reached, when strategy is steady in all conditions.

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Hello, Fornications Pavel, you wrote: > Explain, please, as it works, if it is more than sellers 2? And it is already pure propagation of a socialism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pspvh5aeXf0

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Hello, Anonim931, you wrote: At us shops often gather in a heap. Gaz stations - it is the extremely rare. Strategist Nash such strategist. In a fire chamber. Nash is a mathematician, instead of the strategist. And one of founders of the games theory, therefore I is faster your reasonings in a fire chamber.

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Hello, Ops, you wrote:> At us shops often gather in a heap. Gaz stations - it is the extremely rare. Strategist Nash such strategist. In a fire chamber. Ops> shops too not all gather. Shops of daily demand, like grocery or small economic, can have a competitive advantage in proximity to a customer. Well here, again everyones "but". There the Chechen Republic it is not included, because spoils everything, here shops any more everything because proximity can be, and can not be, but not there. Casually should stand and decrease on  at removal from concentration center.

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Hello, andrey.desman, you wrote: AD> About, and here even there is nothing to suspect, when everyone the first in opposition - the professional clown. Though there are still fans of type of Navalnogo... (Putin smoothed out opposition!!! 111 how long!!) I not Navalnist, but even caused me on interrogation both in FSB, and in Office of Public Prosecutor for harmless expressions. It was possible , and here, for example, it did not turn out to Mukhin's group . And also Navalnogo and Sobchak do not put, and many other things put on real periods. AD> thrust the balance there, where and . If the mathematics is not pleasant to you, to hell such mathematics. , a hard case.

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Hello, IncremenTop, you wrote: IT> Nash is a mathematician, instead of the strategist. And one of founders of the games theory, therefore I is faster your reasonings in a fire chamber. In the mathematician the strategist can also, but what relation of the mathematician has to real life?

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Hello, the Laid-back person, you wrote: AD>> I am direct I see, how the average voter took programs and started to study thoroughly, and on the basis of them made a choice in favor of that or  the candidate. Who more populist at whom the physiognomy is less disgusting, for that and vote in the majority. Vote heart! Basically, in the settled equilibrium system of two equal forces, type American, as a result of everyones  to the ending two also come approximately equally populist and not strongly repugnant candidate. Therefore also 50/50 as a result. But even if 50/50 one of these 50 can be wrong and then all the same it is possible to suspect a hand of the Kremlin. Something here is necessary other of  to pick up for .

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Hello, the Laid-back person, you wrote: But  and magnets like to compete to themselves. Two quintuple or a magnet in adjacent houses - quite to itself the phenomenon. For this purpose there is other explanation - they gravitate to commercial .

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Hello, IncremenTop, you wrote: AD>> Thrust the balance there, where and . IT> If the mathematics is not pleasant to you, to hell such mathematics. , a hard case. The mathematics is a pure abstraction. That it came to contact with a reality to it the spacer in the form of some model is necessary. Here in  this model the ambush also can be covered.

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Hello, the Laid-back person, you wrote: In the mathematician the strategist can also, but what relation of the mathematician has to real life? He could write "reasonings GlebZ to a fire chamber", but any  decided to throw out mathematics to hell.

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Hello, IncremenTop, you wrote: AD>> About, and here even there is nothing to suspect, when everyone the first in opposition - the professional clown. Though there are still fans of type of Navalnogo... (Putin smoothed out opposition!!! 111 how long!!) IT> I not Navalnist, but even caused me on interrogation both in FSB, and in Office of Public Prosecutor for harmless expressions. It was possible , and here, for example, it did not turn out to Mukhin's group . Too the clown, hardly more odious. And what for harmless expressions, it is possible the direct citation? How many time we  squalled apropos "harmless expressions", and in practice it appeared, what not such and harmless... IT> And also and Sobchak do not put Navalnogo, and many other things put on real periods. These hardly are more careful in the expressions. Estimate opinions there, all such. And here the  in a fire chamber are always ready to throw, that there. AD>> Thrust the balance there, where and . IT> If the mathematics is not pleasant to you, to hell such mathematics. , a hard case. A hard case at you with logic. I anywhere did not say that I do not like mathematics. I do not like people who with a clever type swindle, with this mathematics being covered. For example, apply , but it is casual () forget that in this abbreviation means the Item

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Hello, the Laid-back person, you wrote: Basically, in the settled equilibrium system of two equal forces, type American, as a result of everyones  to the ending two also come approximately equally populist and not strongly repugnant candidate. Therefore also 50/50 as a result. On the last choices both candidates were faster repugnant, than are not present. Or speech about  not generally, but only among finalists? Then Tramp naturally won.

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Hello, viellsky, V> Evil tongues say that shopkeepers select a place casually, and therefore there does not work Nash's balance system optional, and there are they  anchored exactly on Gaussiane. And even more malicious to language say that shopkeepers select a place not casually, and for what it is paid is equal.... Therefore there are they  anchored exactly on Gaussiane. For cannot make a step on another's operational section (yes-yes, all remember, what happens to infringers of the convention?).