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Topic: Sentence to Uljukaevu

Distances eight years . The court sentenced the former minister of economic development Alexey Uljukaeva to eight years of a colony of a high security. Its guilt in obtaining of a bribe from the head of "Rosneft" Igor Sechina is completely proved, the judge https://www.rbc.ru/society/15/12/2017/5 … 8fb1606186 solved Telegramnye of judgement: a sentence very rigid, especially taking into account a preventive punishment to a sentence. Change house on real arresting in a court hall happens not so often. The minister in a cell - so came to an end 2017. That on business is not present any  was clear on behavior of Uljukaeva which openly springed on Sechina. Got into a mess. Charge did not look convincingly in a court hall, but it should confuse nobody generally. As well as absence of Sechina. The court in Russia is guided no means always by legal norms. Our court not as in this your West. Ministers of the government, principals of departments, , local officials - your main task now in adjustment of personal relations. Less drink also to anybody from higher feudal lords do not attack a foot and the more so do not send a floor-mat. https://t.me/karaulny/35695 In a case with a sentence Uljukaevu can run into dangerous error. Say, began intraspecific struggle, and system small screws (especially less successful) will be interested now in establishment of fair justice and design of accurate rules - that was on what to lean if something happens. It, of course, nonsense. Business of Uljukaeva showed only one: one type (conditionally force) still dominates over another (not force). And to cease to lose and start to exist at least as equals it is possible if to become stronger only, instead of to make more validly a game rule. The desire to change these rules quickly translates you from a legal small screw of system in its foreign matter, to the death with which the first person will struggle already. So it is not necessary to amuse itself illusions that changes can begin on top and the more so under pressing of those who does not possess sufficient hardware weight. https://t.me/metodi4ka/1361 And you that think? It is guilty or not? Mahlo of a distance or is a lot of?

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Hello, TimurSPB, you wrote: TSP> It is guilty or not? Mahlo of a distance or much? Can and is guilty, but proofs any are not present. The version of Uljukaeva does not contradict the available facts. It is not proved in any way that he knew that there money that demanded a bribe. All according to one person, remaining witnesses only heard about all from it. This person was not on court.  the innocence presumption here should work. I personally think that he knew that there money, whether was they a bribe or still than - I do not know. Strongly I doubt that it extorted something from Sechina. More possibly Sechin to it suggested to keep silent and money for it. It is interesting that will be further.

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TSP> And you that ? It is guilty or not? Mahlo of a distance or is a lot of? Like as minimum possible period of a distance.

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Hello, TimurSPB, you wrote: TSP> And you that ? It is guilty or not? Mahlo of a distance or much? I think that before choices it was necessary to plant in a pointed manner someone on .

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Hello, Amon_RA, you wrote: A_R> I Think that before choices it was necessary to plant in a pointed manner someone on . We about Vasilevu and Serdjukova yet did not forget.

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Hello, Skorodum, you wrote: S> We about Vasilevu and Serdjukova yet did not forget. Means where it were necessary distances to the Body are compared, and Uljukaev "has been found by a lung"

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Hello, Vatakusi, you wrote: we stake, there will be it in a year (staying in  sanatoria in , for example) for excellent behavior? Without sentence change in a year does not quit.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, Vatakusi, you wrote: we stake, there will be it in a year (staying in  sanatoria in , for example) for excellent behavior? From  only staying 1/3 periods.

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> it is interesting that will be further. On a state of health and for good behavior quits on

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We stake, there will be it in a year (staying in  sanatoria in , for example) for excellent behavior? Most likely and will be.

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Hello, TimurSPB, you wrote: >> it is interesting that will be further. TSP> on a state of health and for good behavior quits on  In four years? And all four on a high security? If so it is very rigid. Prstogo-to Vanju and not so plant, and that such person as Uljukaev, from elite, let and from even Yeltsin, yes any not the oppositionist thus, in any way to a policy of the party not contradicting, at least public is first time, in my opinion.

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Hello, peiv, you wrote: P> Like as minimum possible period of a distance. Minimum possible there generally the penalty with right deprivation to occupy certain posts. , the fault completely is not proved. The variant with a wine gift on some tens thousand roubles looks so authentic, as well as the version of the investigation. Perhaps, even more authentic, taking into account that the consequence could not prove extortion, and the principal witness not only was not in a court hall, but also was not on a confrontation. Anyway the court should resolve any doubts in favor of the accused. Sending put on supplementary examination, , a unique valid variant. "Gift" Uljukaev recognized, the bribe means has been accepted. 8 years  look as insult of Sechina that Bashneft brought problems, instead of buns as it would like, instead of as worthy operation of a consequence and court. It is more in any way does not look. As fight against corruption too does not look, only as squaring of accounts.

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Hello, Roma Mik, you wrote: > Hello, TimurSPB, you wrote: >>> it is interesting that will be further. TSP>> on a state of health and for good behavior quits on UDO > In four years? And all four on a high security? > If so it is very rigid. Prstogo-to Vanju and not so plant, and that such person as Uljukaev, from elite, let and from even Yeltsin, yes any not the oppositionist thus, in any way to a policy of the party not contradicting, at least public is first time, in my opinion. Any cassations, the appeal and so forth, and then and amnesty in honor of choices At first go. So to  it at all does not reach.

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Hello, TimurSPB, you wrote: TSP> On a state of health and for good behavior there will be on  For this purpose 2/3 periods  it is necessary to stay, and it seems that not less than 1/3 on a high security. As time led under house arresting will thus be considered, but in it enters into the general period.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, _ABC _, you wrote: _AB> Sending put on supplementary examination, , a unique valid variant. Probably you and the rights. Purely theoretical question: if the innocence is not proved, but also it is impossible to prove guilt, how many it is necessary to send time on supplementary examination before to justify? _AB> "gift" Uljukaev recognized, the bribe means has been accepted. Generally speaking that the gift would become a bribe, it should be given in exchange for any action/inactivity of the receiver which contradict its official duties. 1) it is not proved in any way that a gift in exchange for something generally, instead of it is simple so. People generally give each other gifts simply so.  with Uljukaevym are personally familiar for a long time. 2) As Uljukaev ostensibly could not forbid this transaction also a bribe it is impossible to name it in any way. In such circumstances put for swindle, instead of for a bribe.

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Hello, Amon_RA, you wrote: A_R> I Think that before choices it was necessary to plant in a pointed manner someone on . Early still.

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Hello, TimurSPB, you wrote: TSP> the variant on health Is possible. It is possible.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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> purely theoretical question: if the innocence is not proved, but also it is impossible to prove guilt, how many it is necessary to send time on supplementary examination before to justify? Now like cancelled supplementary examination procedure. A consequence - strictly year, then court and a sentence. Any supplementary examinations. But prolongation in connection with again opened circumstances or episodes is possible, it can proceed infinitely.

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Hello, TimurSPB, you wrote:> we stake, there will be it in a year (staying in  sanatoria in , for example) for excellent behavior? TSP> most likely and will be. Will not be. On court in the opened springed on Igor Ivanovicha. Do not forgive.

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Hello, Patsak, you wrote: Hello, Roma Mik, you wrote: TSP>>> On a state of health and for good behavior quits on UDO >> In four years? And all four on a high security?> If house arresting too goes "year for two", as well as normal through two it turns out - 1/2 periods = 4 years, from them 2 it already "stayed". There is in Russia any "a year for two", it from "Savchenko's law" no neighboring country.

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TSP> Distances eight years .  gropes a solid bottom

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Hello, TimurSPB, you wrote: TSP> It is guilty or not? That something took from Sechina yes,  that took 2 million - is not present. If  rules that any sausages and gifts it not a part of business etiquette, and a bribe would be on freedom. TSP> Mahlo of a distance or is a lot of? As well as to Khodorkovsky - just. TSP> and you that think?  submits signals about which forgot - not to climb in oil and gas business, it is my business and my friends of agents of national security. Now its own (the packet of 19 % is redeemed and ) and it will collect Rosneft remaining  in "briefcase". P.S. In the Russian Federation of justice is not present.

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Hello, Amon_RA, you wrote: A_R> I Think that before choices it was necessary to plant in a pointed manner someone on . To choices as early as a year practically. Not significant reason absolutely.

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Hello, Roma Mik, you wrote: > 2) As Uljukaev ostensibly could not forbid this transaction also a bribe it is impossible to name it in any way. In such circumstances put for swindle, instead of for a bribe.  I correctly understand what to promise, take agree  money, and to make is a bribe, and to promise, take money, and not to make is ?