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Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: DH> it is normal. The main thing that profit - is. And to what it? Well and "norm " it at all that it is possible to compare to loan percent directly.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: DH>> it is normal. The main thing that profit - is. P> and to what it? To what profit? Well ... P> well and "norm " it at all that it is possible to compare to loan percent directly. I suspect that you do not understand that such rate of return. I developed the business plan on manufacture of processors. It is necessary to enclose 100 roubles, for a year the profit will be 5 roubles. The rate of return of 5 % bank gives me the credit of 100 roubles under 7 % - no manufacture of processors in the country will exist. I simply will not beat off the credit and now we consider the credit under 2 %. The bank demands to return 2 roubles every year and a loan body +2 laziness correctly to consider difficult percent. But let it will be 100\2 = 50 years - reset of a body of a debt. And 50*2 - 100 roubles of profit of bank. Thus I have 5-4 - 1 rouble of profit every year and we have manufacture of processors and bank earns. What in this circuit it can be not clear? Yes nearly did not forget. The most important counter: As soon as the bank gave to me 100  on credit. It practically occupied at once these 100 to other manufacture.

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Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: DH> it is necessary to enclose 100 roubles, for a year the profit will be 5 roubles. Rate of return of 5 % So you when counted 5 roubles of profit percentage payments already subtracted. That is 5 roubles turned out so (the Gain - Expenditures), and Expenditures = +_+++... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: DH> that in this circuit can be not clear? That that expenditures on manufacture of the same amount of processors can be different, as well as their price, and all it changes for 10 years repeatedly. And still profitability depends on congestion of manufacture. How it is possible to tell about what that to "rate of return" with reference to the future time? "Rate of return" it something an average, for example "trade rate of return in the market jeans" - 20 %, it thus that costs, suppliers and volumes of trade at all tents with jeans + / - identical. Gazprom this year builds 3 gas conduits, and in 2 years it completes them, and still through 5 pays credits which took on building and thus volumes of sale of gas many years grow year by a year. Here it is possible to tell about what "rate of return", if this year profit one, and in 5 years in it became several times more

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: DH>> it is necessary to enclose 100 roubles, for a year the profit will be 5 roubles. Rate of return of 5 % P> So you when counted 5 roubles of profit percentage payments already subtracted. . I did not subtract anything. If I would enclose the 100 what there were % payments? It is business rate of return.

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Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: DH> rate of return at  - 6 %, instead of are ready above the Turn at 2016 6.63 , the operational profit of 726 billion Turns out 11 %.

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Hello, Los Chtostrjaslos, you wrote: > in the meantime in Ukraine > the National bank of Ukraine raised discount rate from 13,5 % to 14,5 % annual. Well if to discard a policy, quite logical action for inflation restriction.

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Hello, dmitritch, you wrote: D> that that expenditures on manufacture of the same amount of processors can be different, as well as their price, and all it changes for 10 years repeatedly. And still profitability depends on congestion of manufacture. How it is possible to tell about what that to "rate of return" with reference to the future time?" Rate of return "it something an average, for example" trade rate of return in the market jeans "- 20 %, it thus that costs, suppliers and volumes of trade at all tents with jeans + / - identical. Gazprom this year builds 3 gas conduits, and in 2 years it completes them, and still through 5 pays credits which took on building and thus volumes of sale of gas many years grow year by a year. Here it is possible to tell about what"rate of return", if this year profit one, and in 5 years in it there was several times more such enchanting bosh that simply oh. At you if the rouble is - you with ease will double it. And if at you trillion as at  - that excuse, 6 % a year, and that if carries. The Boeing total has less, .

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Hello, Night Looking, you wrote: DH>> rate of return at  - 6 %, instead of are ready above NANOSECOND> the Turn at 2016 6.63 , the operational profit of 726 billion Turns out 11 %. The turn is  the advanced capital? And and yes 700  to increase on 10 - it turns out 7 trillion. The mathematics repair.

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Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: DH> . I did not subtract anything. If I would enclose the 100 what there were % payments? It is business rate of return. Means percentage payments there would be no also a profit would be more. What here not clear or unexpected?... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: the NANOSECOND>> the Turn at 2016 6.63 , operational profit of 726 billion Turns out 11 %. DH> the turn is  the advanced capital? You are better so consider: how many Gazprom should borrow, that operational profit to lower to bank ()?

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: DH>> . I did not subtract anything. If I would enclose the 100 what there were % payments? It is business rate of return. P> means percentage payments there would be no also a profit would be more. What here not clear or unexpected? Well and so the profit is less, and rate of return such, simply it it is necessary the creditor to give all partially. Business as brought 5 % from rouble and brings. The difference only - to whom brings.

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Hello, Vi2, you wrote: the NANOSECOND>>> the Turn at 2016 6.63 , operational profit of 726 billion Turns out 11 %. DH>> the turn is  the advanced capital? Vi2> you are better so consider: how many Gazprom should borrow, that operational profit to lower to bank ()? For what period? And there in the mathematician  700*10 = 7 trillion

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Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: DH> well and so the profit is less, and rate of return such, simply it it is necessary the creditor to give all partially. Business as brought 5 % from rouble and brings. Value of profit is used at calculation of rate of return and this value  from the total of percentage payments. DH> the difference only - to whom brings. Well here, began to wag as usual.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: DH>> well and so the profit is less, and rate of return such, simply it it is necessary the creditor to give all partially. Business as brought 5 % from rouble and brings. P> value of profit is used at calculation of rate of return and this value  from the total of percentage payments. DH>> the difference only - to whom brings. P> well here, began to wag as usual. Yes you also began to wag. Business both brought 5 % from rouble. And brings. Absolutely on a drum who has these 5 roubles as a result. Though labor collective as at communism, though the capitalist-owner. Though bank.

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Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: DH> any credit given under the rate above rate of return - is unprofitable. All question only when you will become beggars - at once, or in 25 years. A question only in speed of your robbery. And it is more in what. Probably, in your reality. But I already said that the enterprise is not obliged all industrial capital to take on credit. It has own capital fixed in the commodity and productive form, and there is a desire to take a little in the monetary form. And so if there is a profit, any credit cannot be unprofitable if only not to consider rate of return below average rate of return as a loss. Since any profit is the positive value. And with the registration of transfer of percent on the credit for the cost price, and for a long time from these percent. DH> the bank knows all. DH> who that produces, from whom-who buys. At whom what rate of return. Because all calculations are conducted through bank. DH> If "" do not understand what the tool at them in hands - that they simply fools. That the bank does not know receivers of some remittances. DH> they are usurers. At the usurer only one crinkle - to give 100 roubles and to take away 200. Primitive thinking. DH> the banker naturally is much cleverer - he knows that developing manufacture it receives incomparably more usurer. You will laugh, but now trade is more preferable to crediting. DH> it is a science it is proved. But at us as usual - a trial and error method all becomes. Though the blazed road is for a long time already. Clear business that a forage reserve for the trading capital and the banking capital is the industrial capital. It is known by elements all already - there is no sense about it to broadcast.

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Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: DH> Business both brought 5 % from rouble. And brings. Absolutely on a drum who has these 5 roubles as a result. Is not present not all the same. The profit is received by the owner of business. If it took the credit business less profitable, if on the more profitable. DH> though labor collective as at communism, though the capitalist-owner. Though bank. If you will distribute all profit in shape / to employees rate of return will be zero. What unexpectedness!... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: DH> for what period? And there in the mathematician  700*10 = 7 trillion For a year. And what it for an error?

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Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: DH> the turn is  the advanced capital? DH> and and yes 700  to increase on 10 - it turns out 7 trillion. And 500   on 20 - it turns out 10 trillion.

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Hello, Vi2, you wrote: DH>> any credit given under the rate above rate of return - is unprofitable. All question only when you will become beggars - at once, or in 25 years. A question only in speed of your robbery. And it is more in what. Vi2> it is visible, in your reality. In objective Vi2> But I already said that the enterprise is not obliged all industrial capital to take on credit. It has own capital fixed in the commodity and productive form, and there is a desire to take a little in the monetary form. And so if there is a profit, any credit cannot be unprofitable if only not to consider rate of return below average rate of return as a loss. Since any profit is the positive value. And with the registration of transfer of percent on the credit for the cost price, and for a long time from these percent. The enterprise has 100 roubles of the advanced capital. The rate of return of 5 % a beret in bank of 100 roubles more, builds shop-2. The rate of return of 5 % all that as a result the enterprise from the capital has 5 roubles, from the extra capital has 5 roubles from which 4 own profit of 6 roubles gives to bank (the example above in a subject see). After a taking of the credit profit - rouble. There is an advantage from the credit and what at us at the credit in 7 %? From the capital has 5 roubles from the extra capital has 5 roubles the MINUS 9 (7 % + 2  the body see an example above in a subject) a loss 4 roubles own profit 1 rouble. After a taking of the credit the LOSS!! 4 roubles - are not present advantage from the credit it turns out that taking such credit - business finances bank. In my example - the bank finances business, as well as should be.

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Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: DH> the Boeing total has less, . And at tesla generally the negative

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: DH>> Business both brought 5 % from rouble. And brings. Absolutely on a drum who has these 5 roubles as a result. P> is not present not all the same. The profit is received by the owner of business. If it took the credit business less profitable, if on the more profitable. Is not present all the same. The rate of return does not change.

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Hello, Night Looking, you wrote: DH>> the turn is  the advanced capital? DH>> and and yes 700  to increase on 10 - it turns out 7 trillion. The NANOSECOND> And 500   on 20 - turns out 10 trillion. Clearly. You at school passed percent. Happens. You not I first about whom learn it

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Hello, Vi2, you wrote: Vi2> Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: DH>> for what period? And there in the mathematician  700*10 = 7 trillion Vi2> For a year. And what it for an error? Well . 10 % from 6 trillion turned out 700 billion, at all I do not know where also an error.

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Hello, dmitritch, you wrote: DH>> the Boeing total has less, . D> And at tesla generally negative probably. Did not check. What should it prove? What all manufacture unprofitable will be fast in states and will be financed with ?