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Topic: Manufacture problems in Russia

Short interview which explains much. Without gain of support from the state in a word development and will be such moderated as it is now

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Hello, dmitritch, you wrote: D> Without gain of support from the state in a word development and will be such moderated as it is now Aha. Since capitalism in the conditions of a competition to exterior vendors for the country. D> supports from the state means literally "supports from us" (citizens) since the state is not any separate essence, and it is the tool created, supported and fed with us for ordering of our relations. And so. It is actually told: Citizens! To our capitalists it is difficult! It is necessary to support the home producer of the capitalist at the expense of your pockets ("from the state"). .. As on me so "support from the state" should appear exceptional in the form of the repayment of a share of actions of the enterprises with their subsequent priority sale to the citizens who are not doing large business.

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Hello, 3V, you wrote: 3V> .. As on me so "support from the state" should appear 3V> exceptional in the form of the repayment of a share of actions of the enterprises with their subsequent priority 3V> sale to the citizens who are not doing large business. Well generally that this support is returned reversely to us in a pocket in a type of tax and salaries

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Hello, dmitritch, you wrote: D> Without gain of support from the state in a word development and will be such moderated as it is now As was clarified, different people understand this word differently. For the majority it is output by the state of money to the enterprise.

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Hello, 3V, you wrote: 3V> .. As on me so "support from the state" should appear 3V> exceptional in the form of the repayment of a share of actions of the enterprises with their subsequent priority 3V> sale to the citizens who are not doing large business. To "the citizens who are not doing large business", capitalists, and, it is good if ours, offer conditional "10 for the voucher", and all returns into place, and state expenses go broke.

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Hello, 3V, you wrote: 3V> Citizens! To our capitalists it is difficult! 3V> it is necessary to support the home producer of the capitalist at the expense of yours 3V> pockets ("from the state"). Yes is not present that you! It is not necessary to support them, let die. (That, actually, happened for a long time to the majority of them.) However, your "pocket" too dies from it, you do not judge too severely. Because any person - it only in shop a customer, and on operation - the vendor.

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Hello, qwertyuiop, you wrote: Q> As it was clarified, different people understand this word differently. For the majority it is output by the state of money to the enterprise. Probably. What else variants should be considered? In interview two more problems are marked - a rouble exchange rate and an inflation ratio (growth of consumer prices) and a rise in prices for raw materials/materials. With course like all it is clear - a condition necessary, but not the panacea and on a pocket of citizens beats even more strongly, than direct budgetary injections. And with the industrial prices what to do - to order "Stop! time, two"? Still there is a closed foundry manufacture in E-burge and necessity to carry preparation whence from Moscow. But the government does not open that foundry manufacture, it not from its duties. Let try to buy in any Peskovke if quality arranges, nevertheless is closer than Moscow

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: Q>> As it was clarified, different people understand this word differently. For the majority it is output by the state of money to the enterprise. P> it is possible. What else variants should be considered? Well for example duties for import, a dollar rate increase, reduction in price of credits.

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Hello, 3V, you wrote: 3V> it is actually told: 3V> Citizens! To our capitalists it is difficult! 3V> it is necessary to support the home producer of the capitalist at the expense of yours 3V> pockets ("from the state"). Well, for example, it is possible to support the domestic vendor-capitalist not at the expense of our pockets, and at the expense of pockets of our bankers-capitalists:... Inflation of 3 %, and the refinancing rate three times above. If we could attract credits for the main means not under 10 % as now, and under 5 - 4 %, would update more actively park of machine tools, let out new products more., but for some reason from the state it does not become. 3V> .. As on me so "support from the state" should appear 3V> exceptional in the form of the repayment of a share of actions of the enterprises with their subsequent priority 3V> sale to the citizens who are not doing large business." I am am tormented with vague doubts "that in that case sale price of actions appears less redemption. Suggest to support the capitalist at the expense of our pockets?

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Hello, cserg, you wrote: a C>... Inflation of 3 %, and the refinancing rate three times above. If we could attract credits for the main means not under 10 % as now, and under 5 - 4 %, would update more actively park of machine tools, let out new products more. The C>, but for some reason from the state it does not become. Well so that rates decrease permanently, can sometime and to 5 % reach

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Hello, qwertyuiop, you wrote: All is correct. But there are nuances. Q> well for example duties for import, On consumer things it strikes on the population. On equipments/raw materials/half-finished products on the industry. Q> a dollar rate increase, Too shock first of all on the population. Q> reduction in price of credits. Here only as though to make that these credits went for industrial needs.

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Hello, dmitritch, you wrote: D> well so that rates decrease permanently, can sometime and to 5 % reach... But will be already late.

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Hello, qwertyuiop, you wrote: D>> well so that rates decrease permanently, can sometime and to 5 % reach Q>... But will be already late. Yes not late, the enterprises and at present rates somehow live

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: Q>> Well for example duties for import, P> On consumer things it strikes on the population. What means "strikes"? If the population buys not Chinese, but the Russian goods - it begins to live worse? But as though it lived if there was no China? P> on equipments/raw materials/half-finished products on the industry. In it and the purpose. That there was a demand for the equipments/raw materials/half-finished products Q>> a dollar rate increase, P> Too shock first of all on the population. Besides: what do you name shock? Q>> reduction in price of credits. P> here only as though to make that these credits went for industrial needs. Very simply: it is necessary to fulfill the first points. Then they go not on import purchase, and on the domestic goods.

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Hello, qwertyuiop, you wrote: Q>... But will be already late. Because...?

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Hello, dmitritch, you wrote: Q>>... But will be already late. D> Yes not late, the enterprises and at present rates somehow live the Majority of the enterprises for a long time are destroyed. The link

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Hello, Ops, you wrote: Q>>... But will be already late. Ops> Because...? Because to treat the person it is possible while it is still live. And when died and started to decay, is useless to do pricks and to give to drink tablets. To construct new factory on orders is more expensive, than to support the existing.

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Hello, qwertyuiop, you wrote: Q> Because to treat the person it is possible while it is still live. And when died and started to decay, is useless to do pricks and to give to drink tablets. To construct new factory on orders is more expensive, than to support the existing. Carefully, an owl not the rubber.

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Hello, qwertyuiop, you wrote: Q> That means "strikes"? If the population buys not Chinese, but the Russian goods - it begins to live worse? Yes, becomes, because Russian is not present. Q> But as though it lived if there was no China? As China about 30 years ago. Q> Besides: what do you name shock? For example a rise in prices. Not I perfectly understand about what you speak, it is necessary well to eat at first well to work. But while oil was expensive the people to eat well got used, and to work - is not present. Therefore if now at once all to bring down, so revolution begins. Here also it is necessary somehow on the sly ,  it is all sanctions, "malicious Americans" well etc.

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Hello, qwertyuiop, you wrote: Q> That means "strikes"? If the population buys not Chinese, but the Russian goods - it begins to live worse? But as though it lived if there was no China? You that generally read article? The high competition is necessary, and in Russia there is no this competition. Though Chineses as push that. Generally the protectionism is development in anywhere. P>> On equipments/raw materials/half-finished products on the industry. Q> in it and the purpose. That there was a demand for the equipments/raw materials/half-finished products And cheap credits are for this purpose necessary. Basically it is the very first step. Manufacture will not develop at 10 % credits, 2-3 % are necessary at all 5, and. Is not present at people and the enterprises of money for new machine tools, not important domestic or import. Yet there will be no cheap credits, helps nothing. Q>>> a dollar rate increase, P>> Too shock first of all on the population. Q> besides: what do you name shock? The dollar rate increase gives is exceptional short jerk when equipment amortization exceeds  percent, any more  will let out even for export. And to buy new it is not favourable to internal sale of the goods where the high price of the import equipment is included. Q> it is very simple: it is necessary to fulfill the first points. Then they go not on import purchase, and on the domestic goods. What for, to put interest-free credits for the domestic goods.

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Hello, 3V, you wrote: 3V> it is actually told: 3V> Citizens! To our capitalists it is difficult! 3V> it is necessary to support the home producer of the capitalist at the expense of yours 3V> pockets ("from the state"). 3V> .. As on me so "support from the state" should appear 3V> exceptional in the form of the repayment of a share of actions of the enterprises with their subsequent priority 3V> sale to the citizens who are not doing large business. In practice if you pay to each citizen on 30 $, the overwhelming majority spends this money for purchase of a foreign car, traveling and so forth, instead of encloses them in building of the enterprises. The state can purposefully invest this money from what citizens finally benefit more. To save a state share in the enterprise, of course, thus it is necessary. Though there are also other methods of support: tax privileges and import duties.

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Hello, qwertyuiop, you wrote: Q> That means "strikes"? If the population buys not Chinese, but the Russian goods - it begins to live worse? Will be. Moreover, the large quantity of the goods in Russia is not produced. Q> but as though it lived if there was no China? Unambiguously worse than now.

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Hello, dmitritch, you wrote: D> which much explains Short interview. Without gain of support from the state in a word development and will be such moderated as it is now You, as well as qwertyuiop, badly understood the written. I will explain, how we are connected to course. Conditionally, the dollar exchange rate in 2004 was 30 roubles. The cost price of a product similar to ours in Germany then made 10 dollars, at the rate of 30 roubles is 300 roubles. We then managed in as much. Every year inflation in Russia on the average made 10 %. And as a result for ten years by 2014 we received at least cost price doubling - 600 roubles on a product. And in Germany or China the goods cost price as was 10 dollars or 10 euros, such and remained at exchange rate saved the durable time. Accordingly at us the market falls. So, inflation (and rouble devaluation) kill domestic business, instead of develop it. Already this simple thought does not reach 70 % local zaputintsev-zjuganovtsev

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Hello, siberia2, you wrote: S> So, inflation (and rouble devaluation) kill domestic business, instead of develop it. Already this simple thought does not reach 70 % local zaputintsev-zjuganovtsev You explain is better: Why inflation at Yeltsin it is good, at Putin - it is bad? Why 10 % a year are given by magnification for 10 years of 100 %?

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Hello, siberia2, you wrote: S> S> I Will explain, how we are connected to course. Conditionally, the dollar exchange rate in 2004 was 30 roubles. The cost price of a product similar to ours in Germany then made 10 dollars, at the rate of 30 roubles is 300 roubles. We then managed in as much. Every year inflation in Russia on the average made 10 %. And as a result for ten years by 2014 we received at least cost price doubling - 600 roubles on a product. And in Germany or China the goods cost price as was 10 dollars or 10 euros, such and remained at exchange rate saved the durable time. Accordingly at us the market falls. Marvelously the exact description of the Russian problems. S> so, inflation (and rouble devaluation) kill domestic business, instead of develop it. To begin with it would be desirable to repeat in thousand time that inflation and a dollar rate increase (which you erraticly name devaluation) is not same. In between there is nothing the general. From a word it is absolute. Inflation is a depreciation of the rouble, connected normally with magnification of their amount in a turn (is more exact when their amount grows faster, than an amount of the goods). And the dollar exchange rate is defined, roughly speaking, an amount of dollars which come to Russia on a currency stock exchange. And so, inflation as it is validly noted in this fragment, throughout 14 years made approximately 10 %. And the dollar exchange rate did not change! It was around 30 roubles plus-minus. As a result there was that here is written. And now think: and why in Russia there was such inflation? What hindered the Central Bank it to reduce, really for 14 years did not learn? And the reason just in those dollars which course of the Central Banks has been forced to support. To Russia there was the continuous flow of dollars from oil sale. And to support course, the Central Bank has been forced to print out of roubles and to let out in a turn. That is at a stock exchange increased both an amount of roubles, and an amount of dollars thanks to what the dollar exchange rate kept around 30 roubles. But the amount of roubles after all increased! And it is inflation, the previous paragraph see. And what would be if the Central Bank did not print roubles? Then the amount of roubles would keep to constants, inflation would not be, but the amount of dollars would increase. From it they would become cheaper and instead of double inflation for 10 years we would receive double falling of dollar - to 15 roubles. It would cause classical "the Dutch illness" and as a result oil recovery would become unprofitable even - the oil companies would receive less roubles for the oil and them would not suffice for the salary to oil industry workers. Thus, the reason of the Russian problems in economy is export of oil and to get rid of them it is impossible basically - though print roubles though is not present. It is possible to get rid only stopping its export.