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Benny Blanco wrote:

all Began with the BASIC. Drawing of circles, lines. RND a picture in style of 600 seconds with lines. Programs for the decision of quadratic equations.

Yes. And was.
But for 30 technologies left for a long time forward.
And similar things can be not actual far.
The same lego-robotiks offers absolutely other approach.

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nopox;
English language is necessary to it.

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982183 wrote:

it is passed...
Yes. And was.
But for 30 technologies left for a long time forward.
And similar things can be not actual far.
The same lego-robotiks offers absolutely other approach.

Yes, technologies left far forward. But in it there is a minus - children study already high-level platforms (the same lego-robotiks), and desires  in these platforms at them becomes ever less. Roughly speaking, to collect the program from ready units children study, and here to develop low-level units begins a problem.
Look at competitions on programming of robots at schoolboys and students, think much there implementations on a C ++? 1 %

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To learn to make algorithm of the decision of the task.
Language is secondary.

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asutp2 wrote:

and here to develop the low-level units begins a problem.

Problem in that requests about high-level units are high.
And Optimizatsy nobody/is simply no need to be engaged.
Frequently instead of the simple controler to deliver a computer with a software easier and more cheaply.

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AntonCh wrote:

There are by the way good textbooks on algorithms and programming for children. I will try to find-write to you.

I will be very grateful!

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Vladimir Baskakov wrote:

it is passed...
To write compositions.
I am serious. Programming is an operation over the thoughts. Issued verbally. The beginning of such operation is put at lessons of Russian and mathematics at school. It is time, English language at level above basic - for the literature often  - two.
Three as a variant - https://www.playcodemonkey.com/and  https://lifehacker.ru/2015/04/12/10-igr … ammirovat/

Very interesting! We are engaged in mathematics and English in addition, and here about compositions I did not think at all! This feeble place... Written expression of own thoughts while limps. Thanks for the information! Just the necessary motivation for what it is necessary to be able to write well compositions (and that often we discuss about it))

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kealon (Ruslan) wrote:

softwarer;
Still (not a fantasy) it is necessary to add a fantasy (proceeding from researches of the Chinese scientists)
And that writing of compositions frightens off

I very much love a fantasy)) and when something you love, it is easier to interest.

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nopox wrote:

it is passed...
I will be very grateful!

Not  to the child a head. Everything is good in its season. There is such parable about two worms. Two worms sit at a tree foot. One speaks to another "as probably there beautifully on a tree apex. Give there we get". Also got. Climbed, climbed, climbed, All , became exhausted. And here at last, hardly live, almost crawled. And here suddenly saw the fine butterfly flitting on the apex of this tree. "What you fine" told . "Hey, same I - the second " answered the fine butterfly.

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nopox;
At school at us about 6 classes was  a subject "Regularity of world around" where swaps, combinations, logical exercises, statistics beginning were considered. It very much was pleasant to me, was the very first at lessons.
And about 8 classes when I had a computer, parents found to me of the tutor on Pascal because I wanted to develop in the future games smile the beginning 2000 smile
And when saw databases later, I fell in love with them at first sight.
Then a tower on a speciality Application-oriented computer science where it is even more  and any data analysis.
I work on a speciality as developer BI and all in favourite databases. Not absolutely the programmer, but nevertheless.

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tashkafox wrote:

nopox;
At school at us about 6 classes was  a subject "Regularity of world around" where swaps, combinations, logical exercises, statistics beginning were considered. It very much was pleasant to me, was the very first at lessons.
And about 8 classes when I had a computer, parents found to me of the tutor on Pascal because I wanted to develop in the future games smile the beginning 2000 smile
And when saw databases later, I fell in love with them at first sight.
Then a tower on a speciality Application-oriented computer science where it is even more  and any data analysis.
I work on a speciality as developer BI and all in favourite databases. Not absolutely the programmer, but nevertheless.

It for the present at 3 a class) Such interesting still is not present anything. There is, apparently, a good and necessary subject computer science, but it is studied without the computer!!! It not the teacher of computer science, and their class also conducts. The textbook rather very strange (someone can once saw this creation http://moodle.int-edu.ru/moodle/course/view.php?id=63), and about quality of teaching I generally am silent! Such computer science cannot be pleasant to anybody...
Let's wait that at high school something to change!

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nopox wrote:

Written expression of own thoughts while limps. Thanks for the information! Just the necessary motivation for what it is necessary to be able to write well compositions

Respected, it for you motivation to learn it the child. Hardly for it at such age too, after all it is a logical argument. There are types of people preferentially logical / an emotional warehouse. Will be faster argument: for the general development. And on your authority depends, even if he nods. And in the last classes under the modern concept of school the pupil should not waste time on any more that ostensibly never is required to it for he already selected a path. In my opinion more primary to teach to have own thoughts, then already to express in writing another's (all the same choice: to be or seem).
I assure, the composition is an ability / , etc., it should learn () (at least it to construct), in my opinion it is useful, and  he learns, if wants. And, I beg, the composition has no relation to pr-niju, is faster to . Well at least on the basis of usage of a synonimy, epithets, etc. there or . Algorithm - just the concentrated presentation of thoughts unlike .. Even the technical writer should be .
By the way, in literary circles there is a judgement that plots of 36 pieces! (Behind examples not to me)
Once again, successes!

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Look at requirements to the composition in Unified State Examination.
Strongly be surprised.

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Benny Blanco wrote:

nopox;
In my school days all to whom programming was interesting, hung up after lessons in a class with UK-NTS though with bread do not feed. All began with the BASIC. drawing of circles, lines. RND a picture in style of 600 seconds with lines. programs for the decision of quadratic equations. And, anybody is all did not force. It is we operators learned , rewrote programs each other in a writing-book. Read Pjarnpuu - Programming in the modern algorithmic languages.
10 years are 4 class? Hardly at this age the schoolboy something understands about Javascript or SQL.
Deliver  MS QuickBasic, show it the drawing circle, line . The book any unpretentious - same Pjarnpuu allow to esteem. With QB many demos go - a drawing everyone, and in not those many examples. after a drawing as a rule there is an interest to dig further.

Here this all disputable statements. I in stay (the fifth class of school) was fond of programming because it wanted to create something, similar
On typical games ZX-spectrum of those years (92-93th years).
And only because at heart the person persistent - did not throw it at once, and dug further, and dug already to the first course of HIGH SCHOOL when dug through any miscellaneous about matrixes of conversions and bases 3d schedules... To understand - that all that I it here dug all these years are a stuff and for game writing it is all it is almost useless:
But the more I studied these yours CIRCLE in a BASIC the more I was comprehended by despair - even to the child it was obvious that
The present game on them you will not write and how to write games actually is was and at all the secret knowledge for me - books in this respect was not generally (and is not present till now).
Now, if to the child after Call of Duty or similar to show  QBasic with "write the CoW" is probably it will be especially cruel and cynical and can "castrate" for years forward.
And to play jQuery and similar modern  the industry frontenda-bekenda - even the adult it is not strongly interesting.

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nopox wrote:

it is passed...
Very interesting! We are engaged in mathematics and English in addition, and here about compositions I did not think at all! This feeble place... Written expression of own thoughts while limps. Thanks for the information! Just the necessary motivation for what it is necessary to be able to write well compositions (and that often we discuss about it))

Mathematics (as application to the physics, all these your continuous functions derivative and other logarithms) to the programmer,
To the programmer is useless, and sometimes even harmful knowledge.
To the programmer of the mathematician it is necessary specific - the discrete mathematics, propositional logic, the graph theory, all such.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/_
In  it at all do not give, I encountered it only in HIGH SCHOOL, and, by the way, it very much helped with formation as 0.
By the way, for the programmer bases of engineering activity, learning of that as well as why the person started to do steam-engines and so on - it much more usefully, than writing of compositions on a subject of love sufferings  Onegina or system calculation  or analytical calculations of integrals are still actual.
The programming engineer first of all the engineer, and engineering thinking and approaches in the decision of tasks everywhere the identical.
Another matter that if you are going to work on a joint, for example in the field of machine training or an estimation of risks - that
The subject demands those or other sections of applied mathematics (which at school too, to , do not give)

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nopox wrote:

it is passed...
It for the present at 3 a class) Such interesting still is not present anything. There is, apparently, a good and necessary subject computer science

Recalling itself in the third class and  - I would send on "reprogramming of toys".
The elementary case - programming under arduino to include-switch off a bulb, more difficult - to program a son of lumiere,  a microphone and so on.
Robotic technology bases.
I.e. the program a maximum on half-sheet, and the main thing - immediate encouragement in a type  system responses.
Learning on a piece of paper is a lantern, there is reverse response and immediate encouragement for result, such no nobody
Here at once examples:
[youtube=VvNKhp6SFk8]
http://edurobots.ru/kurs-arduino-dlya-nachinayushhix/

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I would tell to this child: the sonny, now in India  studies millions. All Indian  and poverty  in Ajti to be punched and will be ready to work for 12 hours per day for copecks. In 10 years when you will mature, significance of programming as that falls below a plinth and it is necessary to you with all these  to compete.
The variant with programming  probably is hardly better, but it also lockup as technicians will always service business.
Throw you all this heresy and learn Mathematics. The abstract things which allow you to work as an analyst to build analytical models, to do forecasts  for such experts will be always claimed. And they do not depend on programming languages and . And therefore it is necessary to be engaged with the teacher the graph theory, the theory of sets, probability theory and a floor-mat statistics.

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Benny Blanco;

wrote:

Throw you all this heresy and learn Mathematics. The abstract things which allow you to work as an analyst to build analytical models, to do forecasts  for such experts will be always claimed

Throw you this heresy and study neural networks smile I am quite serious.

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makhaon wrote:

Benny Blanco;
it is passed...
Throw you this heresy and study neural networks smile I am quite serious.

And  too is based on the queen of sciences, the Mathematician. And the abstract thinking can be developed and from 10 years, without getting into specificity of specific applications or programming languages.

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https://colobot.info/not?

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makhaon;
Btw, students of a speciality 05.13.12 CAD still in 90 transited neural networks on a subject Optimization of functions.
, a network of Hopfilda, backpropagation, annealing simulation, machine Boltsmana and others. There to study for the serious mathematician in general and there is nothing.
And now it became stylish and it is very very fashionable. In any hole we will thrust .

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On initial steps that most it is is interesting possible and flash/unity to suffer "games" (there anything you like to a course goes, from puzzles, physics/logicians/mathematicians and to crossword puzzles and other) spreading it is all in a network, here examples https://www.kongregate.com/games?sort=newest

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Benny Blanco wrote:

I would tell to this child: the sonny, now in India  studies millions.

And you had to be engaged in setting of the task for the Indian programmers and reception of result of their operation? Here it was necessary to me... Coders they, in the majority, instead of programmers. Misses not only understanding of a problem part, but even there is no desire this problem part to study. Formation at these "programmers" at level of technical school (college), but in any way HIGH SCHOOL.

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wrote:

From what to begin schoolboy to become the successful programmer?

here a word "programmer" the superfluous. It is necessary to become simply successful, and for this purpose it is necessary to be engaged in to what the soul lies. The child wants to be the programmer today - parents help, tomorrow wants the pianist - again help...
To me at institute on psychology told such phrase: "Operation should be a paid hobby." I remembered a phrase, drew outputs, but hardly improved the motto: "Operation should be highly a paid hobby." I live by this rule.
There is a rule of 10 000 hours .  (without hindering) the child to fulfill this rule, the parent does of the child of the guru in the given specific knowledge domain.