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Topic: To a question on perspectives

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Hello, CoderMonkey, you wrote: CM> https://insights.stackoverflow.com/tren … rust%2Cphp the Python - feeblly typified rubbish demanding a great lot of units-tests, with  hierarchy of exceptions, poor GC and - For what love it?

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Hello, Glory, you wrote: the Python - feeblly typified rubbish demanding a great lot of units-tests, with  hierarchy of exceptions, poor GC and - For what love it? For simplicity.

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Hello, Glory, you wrote: the Python - feeblly typified rubbish demanding a great lot of units-tests, with  hierarchy of exceptions, poor GC and - For what love it? It now teach in the west as the first programming language. For many it becomes last.

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Hello, iZEN, you wrote: ZEN> For simplicity. It is any . Personally I after hundred lines test an acute pain, but I am visible stupid, but after all With ++ mastered, means With ++ easier. Or under simple to write it is not meant to support the code and that the code worked correctly?

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Python - feeblly typified rubbish demanding a great lot of units-tests, with  hierarchy of exceptions, poor GC and - For what love it? Not the strong typification, absence of units-tests, working hierarchy of exceptions and the most abrupt GC are necessary to all.

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MTD> Or under simple to write is meant Possibility to write, without straining powers of thinking.

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Hello, CoderMonkey, you wrote: CM> Image: Trends.png the Present programmer in any language writes the program on the Fortran (.

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Hello, Glory, you wrote: the Python - feeblly typified rubbish demanding a great lot of units-tests, with  hierarchy of exceptions, poor GC and - For what love it? For the same, for what JS. The  language - the is more at it than followers. I suspect that people write even without IDE and do not know that such compilation.

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Hello, MTD, you wrote: MTD> It is any . Personally I after hundred lines test an acute pain, but I am visible stupid, but after all With ++ mastered, means With ++ easier. Or under simple to write it is not meant to support the code and that the code worked correctly? Possibly, under simplicity the lowest initial level of a learning curve means. Not it is necessary know anything practically about what, any compilation or type system, write any code and the interpreter all swallows. To work it will not be correct most likely but that worked is already for advanced... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, Glory, you wrote: Hello, CoderMonkey, you wrote: CM>> https://insights.stackoverflow.com/tren … rust%2Cphp the Python - feeblly typified rubbish demanding a great lot of units-tests, with  hierarchy of exceptions, poor GC and - For what love it? Two  areas -  (machine training) where owing to developed  and popularity on  all move to it with R and Matlab/Octave (it is a stage , in  on another rewrite, but  here long) - everyone  in automation of operation with  servers and  Well also in QA-environment, automation of tests a web and mobile interfaces (simulation of a pointing a finger monkey)

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Hello, Glory, you wrote: the Python - feeblly typified rubbish, 1. A lie (you 100500th who confuses feeble and dynamic typification). Typification just at it strict. 2. There, where braking from dynamic typification is critical for productivity, do  libraries (in numpy, scipy, the other mathematics such hardly more, than completely), adapters like Cython; where for  - testing, descriptions of types for the static analyzer... Demanding a great lot of units-tests, Did big enough projects on it without "a great lot of units-tests", scenary functional testing sufficed. With  hierarchy of exceptions, Here is more detailed, please. Poor GC and - And here. In what it is poor it GC? For what love it? For a fast spelling (and thus works) at almost any experience and level of programmers. For easy , clearness and  the code - if to observe a simple dial-up of main principles and not to be engaged in stunting with violation of main principles (which is capable to spoil the code in any language). For standard library with ready means for an overwhelming dial-up of basic requirements. For a set of connected libraries almost for all occasions. For ease of creation ready executed  under any set of versions of libraries and other details of a surrounding (especially last about 5 years ago, with  and exarticulation of concept Developement Operations). That appeared the most native means for the interactive environments like Jupyter.

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Hello, Glory, you wrote: the Python - feeblly typified rubbish demanding a great lot of units-tests, with  hierarchy of exceptions, poor GC and - For what love it? It is statistics on questions. The more problems with language and it , the there are more than questions. In the same C# and Java 90 % of questions are set and people simply search for available questions. The tag relation.net to a tag C# is very characteristic. All it is clear that  without  does not happen. And the trend such because  prompts a prefix C# in requests and people got used to it.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> For the same, for what JS. The  language - the is more at it than followers. JS love for it . In browsers only it is accessible.

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Hello, VladD2, you wrote: VD> JS love for it . In browsers only it is accessible. There were alternatives earlier, they were rejected. Earlier even on C# by means of Silverlight it was possible to write in the browser is all rejected, as it is too difficult.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> there were alternatives Earlier, they were rejected. Was them never. The MSEC tried to thrust VB in a browser, but nobody supported them. S> earlier even on C# by means of Silverlight it was possible to write in the browser is all rejected, as it is too difficult. It at all in a browser. It was the separate plug-in. Worked strongly not everywhere.

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Hello, VladD2, you wrote: VD> It there was a separate plug-in. Worked strongly not everywhere. Till now the automated workplace on Silverlight is used and supported.

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Hello, iZEN, you wrote: ZEN> Till now the automated workplace on Silverlight is used and supported. And the software on FoxPro works till now somewhere. Here only to a web it is relations has no, and the technology (Silverlight) since a birth defective was (for example, on one device did not work). Now anybody in senses Silverlight for new development will not use.

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Hello, netch80, you wrote: N> Hello, Glory, you wrote:>> with  hierarchy of exceptions, N> Here is more detailed, please. It Probably means: http://blog.tsunanet.net/2012/10/python … archy.html

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Hello, Jack128, you wrote:>> with  hierarchy of exceptions, N>> Here is more detailed, please. J> it Probably means: http://blog.tsunanet.net/2012/10/python … archy.html And, clearly. A companion frankly does not understand language. Those errors which he would like to carry out separately, cannot get under a standard situation of usage try-except if are used normal static . They can arise either at eval, or at the conditional import at dynamic  the code, and problems such  unconditionally demand explicit handling - and thus a type error "in the connected code indents" at all "" type errors "are broken tried to add number with the list". So in it with hierarchy everything is all right.

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Hello, Glory, you wrote: the Python - feeblly typified rubbish demanding a great lot of units-tests, with  hierarchy of exceptions, poor GC and - For what love it? For a speed with which it is possible to receive result. In the world at present simply there is no more a production environment for systems of average and high complexity. For simple is - Excel. P.S. My new firm strategically selected the Rock and I had a possibility to compare. If that, I the full adherent Haskelja/Fp, but truth is more expensive: a) Efficiency in comparison with the Python is worse in times b) Speed of system operation by the way too as "storage not a resource" and "at all of us asynchronously, functionally, it ssylochno-is transparent and without GIL!".

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Hello, CoderMonkey, you wrote: CM> https://insights.stackoverflow.com/tren … rust%2Cphp CM> Image: Trends.png So it is statistics by an amount of set questions i.e. if in due course their amount grows, with the registration that they as a rule are not doubled, especially  the technology of times problems arises in due course more and more.

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Hello, okon, you wrote: O> So it is statistics by an amount of set questions i.e. if in due course their amount grows, with the registration that they as a rule are not doubled, especially  the technology of times problems arises in due course more and more. The absolutely same output. I.e. on the main languages of type C#/java the conditional 80 % of questions which are necessary in 80 % of cases are saved already up, further there are only counterparts from beginners, not able to google, and any exotic. And considering that in JS an amount Frejmvorkov only grows, each of them generates a new tree of accompanying questions on SO.

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Hello, MTD, you wrote: ZEN>> For simplicity. MTD> it is any . Personally I after hundred lines test an acute pain, but I am visible stupid, but after all With ++ mastered, means With ++ easier. Mastering With ++ became the test for intelligence? And thus  are surprised, why from With ++ jump aside all successively

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Hello, VladD2, you wrote:> the Python - feeblly typified rubbish demanding a great lot of units-tests, with  hierarchy of exceptions, poor GC and->> For what love it? VD> it is statistics on questions. The more problems with language and it , the there are more than questions. In the same C# and Java 90 % of questions are set and people simply search for available questions. So With ++ became simple, easy language in understanding, time after it sets few questions? And the python, suddenly, became much more difficult With ++