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Hello, s_aa, you wrote: _> And in the browser all is standard enough.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, Stanislaw K, you wrote: PD>> Weak argument. If there were bad who hinders to make the good? SK> retired military men in a bank security police. If they indeed influence decisions, a maximum on c safety. On GUI hardly probable. Well and in  the ends, they (if they) allowed to create mobile application. SK> many look (taking into account possibility of adjustment that of design) and behave as browsers. Look does not mean represent. Yes, the hyperreferential interface now is often used, but it at all does not mean HTML. And if and HTML it does not mean the present browser. In the same Windows is WebBrowser, and on ancient MFC it is possible to create CHtmlView where it will be represented HTML, without writing any line of the code independently. SK> not 100 % of applications, of course, but many. The heavy statement. I can not tell that it agree. See above the argumentation. SK> Application will not swing a part (and enough most part) a content, at application already is  resources and a local cache. The same smilies of an icon which the normal browser often forcedly swings each time for session (on curve sites each time at discovery of new/updating already open page). SK> On a slow communication channel it is very actual, even if an icon of 110 byte, but it is a lot of them. On each such small things - to open connection, to request, receive the answer, to check up rottenness expires, to download... Here it is, of course, more serious, but why it was impossible in the browser mobile to make? Nevertheless it seems to me that curve sites the bad argument. It is possible and not for a curve to make, however do mobile application. SK> change on PSTN the modem and try the modern Internet. They that, exist till now? Did not think. Once had with modems on ten Kbit\s of business, but it was so a long time. . PD>> Or you consider, what the user continually cleans a browser cache? So if it such "advanced" - it and the data of this application can clear SK> a browser Cache is cleaned automatically. The part of objects simply is not cached because the web exposed the server expires "yesterday". The part is cleaned in 5 minutes after downloading, the part is simply cleaned automatically by the browser at application/window closing. Remaining the system cleans from %temp %. SK> also there are users who manually clean on three times in the course of the day, is which put the special supplement deleting "garbage" automatically. I, for example. CCleaner at me costs. Well, truth, not 3 times a day.

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Hello, Pavel Dvorkin, you wrote: PD>>> Weak argument. If there were bad who hinders to make the good? SK>> retired military men in a bank security police. PD> if they indeed influence decisions, a maximum on c safety. On GUI hardly probable. About, and still as influenced, in heyday  banks-clients. (From the end 90 and to 2010). Simply it was visible in a section of legal bodies, citizens of "physics" in mass did not presume to transit an uneasy quest and to buy for expensive a subscription certificates/keys on  bank-client. Passage between menu sections only on a key presentation on a diskette and to the password. The request of a state of the account needed to be signed two keys, with their mandatory storage on different carriers (it is exceptional 3.5"diskettes, usb were resolved only especial , bought only in this bank), with different"difficult"passwords, the request was processed in bank till some hours, and it was required to sign a pay-sheet from three to five different keys. With the same disco.  exceptional only checked up , direct modem connection and curve VPN over it. Education does not allow me to think at children of it, and here at a forum to speak, in those words which it deserves, about  in banks. PD> well and in  the ends, they (if they) allowed to create mobile application. It told that now on a computer of the client anything such sensitive is not present, all on the server. Though separate banks-clients even in  the browser want security keys. But progress is not necessary on a place, already suit conditionally "convenient" USB tokens ,  and similar. SK>> many look (taking into account possibility of adjustment that of design) and behave as browsers. PD> look does not mean represent. Yes, the hyperreferential interface now is often used, but it at all does not mean HTML. And if and HTML it does not mean the present browser. Not HTML or the artificial browser is an invention of a bicycle. With the registration  standing up for a back and demanding absence  to take ready webkit easier. In which vulnerability who corrects that another. PD> in the same Windows is WebBrowser, and on ancient MFC it is possible to create CHtmlView where it will be represented HTML, without writing any line of the code independently. And how at them about ? Cryptography? SSL/TLS though are able? SK>> application will not swing a part (and enough most part) a content, application already has library of resources and a local cache. The same smilies of an icon which the normal browser often forcedly swings each time for session (on curve sites each time at discovery of new/updating already open page). SK>> On a slow communication channel it is very actual, even if an icon of 110 byte, but it is a lot of them. On each such small things - to open connection, to request, receive the answer, to check up rottenness expires, to download... PD> Here it is, of course, more serious, but why it was impossible in the browser mobile to make? Nevertheless it seems to me that curve sites the bad argument. It is possible and not for a curve to make, however do mobile application. Because the mobile browser in general is not under control, and can be if to consider for example in a context "one popular ", the cache is for life filled by objects "another popular ". That is your valuable icons are remote also them it is necessary to extort (each time) competing for a restricted cache. SK>> Change on PSTN the modem and try the modern Internet. PD> they that, exist till now? Did not think. Once had with modems on ten Kbit\s of business, but it was so a long time... Certainly, and in certain cases they do not have changeover. But here they were used as comparative analog between 100 at home and off-the-air 3G/LTE the Internet in dense "" the active subscribers region. PD>>> or you consider, what the user continually cleans a browser cache? So if it such "advanced" - it and the data of this application can clear SK>> And there are users who manually clean on three times in the course of the day, is which put the special supplement deleting "garbage" automatically. PD> I, for example. CCleaner at me costs. Well, truth, not 3 times a day. What for? Helps? There is a visible effect?

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Hello, Stanislaw K, you wrote: PD>> I, for example. CCleaner at me costs. Well, truth, not 3 times a day. SK> what for? Helps? There is a visible effect? On phone is not present, but on it 3 Gb, for me it is a lot of. On a pad - is. When starts to brake, I clear, brakes decrease

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Hello, s_aa, you wrote: _> Because the screen small. A web development and so it is more difficult than a desktop... At once specify criteria of complexity For a desktop actually: 1) Multithreading - a multithreading when I can load different tasks different kernels CPU; 2) the Rich user interface - the same MDI/Mutlitab + Dockable (that is unattainable without a desktop); 3) Support of control of an amount launched  identical processes () - for example through the same ; 4) Interaction between processes - if for one complex task is required start more than one process (when processes different); 5) Handling of great volume of the data - as their simultaneous sampling in storage of process, and a data interchange from a DBMS;... About  is still a separate subject a web () actually: to Look and function equally under identical browsers. Though sometimes developers directly specify: it - to launch under IE; And here it - under Mozill th. All question that for today the is functional-difficult applications, demanding a desktop, are necessary to a small circle of users. In the core - now a desktop game in large quantities demand. Remaining - it is possible to thrust easy on a web and ...

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Hello, Pavel Dvorkin, you wrote: PD> Client-server architecture. PD> here look. Tendencies are that that firms respecting prefer to have special mobile application I think, it temporarily and soon mobile application we will recall as today  at mobile applications the good channel of propagation, therefore they are still live, but it not for a long time.

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Hello, s_aa, you wrote: _> Brauzernye of application on a desktop is more convenient for me, it is not necessary to install, update anything. Here I will agree, about FUNCTIONALLY SIMPLE applications: Banking (to check up the account and to pay) - yes more conveniently in a browser. Development (though applications in  studios, though presentations in a pover-point though in a Word) - it is all the same more convenient than the document in table. _> functionality quite comprehensible. Besides if there was an any standard on window application, the menu, a status line now on each new program you look as a ram at new gate earlier. And in the browser all is standard enough. +100500 Here just that case that  sometimes harms to simplicity But if you the developer table, to understand that colleagues made - special work does not represent

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Hello, koenig, you wrote: K> I think, it temporarily and soon mobile application we will recall as today  K> at mobile applications the good channel of propagation, therefore they are still live, but it not for a long time. I think that is not present. They the last years blossomed terry color. Each serious firm considers as the debt to have mobile application for Android and IOS and appropriate buttons on the site "to Download from..."

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Hello, mizuchi, you wrote: M> 1. I can close a site. M> 2. At me costs adblock M> 3. vpn M> 4. I can  scripts M> 5. It is fulfilled in the browser and has no access to my computer directly M> 6. I can twist something in browser M> that from this you can make on  ? 1. I can close application. 2. I have an antivirus (at me not a shit-android, therefore it by default anywhere has no access) 3. A firewall 4. I can not put application which wants too many 5. It has no access to my computer directly (or in yours the shit-androide all the same has? But at me not a shit-android so it is problems of owners a shit-androida) 6. I can twist something in OS By the way, 1. Closing of a site does not guarantee closing of all processes connected to a site 2.  does not guarantee any protection 3. Did not understand, how you  protects (probably, I do not know something; fairly) 4. 5 Do not allow to make too, as scripts? 5. You badly know the modern sites that they have no access to a computer directly And not less important, it is necessary to compare identical users: if you the advanced user and  the browser, why other user not advanced and  application?

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Hello, Real 3L0, you wrote: R3> Hello, mizuchi, you wrote: M>> 1. I can close a site. M>> 2. At me costs adblock M>> 3. vpn M>> 4. I can  scripts M>> 5. It is fulfilled in the browser and has no access to my computer directly M>> 6. I can twist something in browser M>> that from this you can make on  ? R3> 1. I can close application. Well also what? It can remain in a background. Or it already could read 100 times all data which it and send them on the server. R3> 2. I have an antivirus (at me not a shit-android, therefore it by default anywhere has no access) and at me is not present and on figs is not necessary R3> 3. A firewall that a firewall? You it installed to be protected from applications which you again install itself itself. R3> 4. I can not put application which wants too many concept much - for everyone different. R3> 5. It has no access to my computer directly (or in yours the shit-androide all the same has? But at me not a shit-android so it is problems of owners a shit-androida) from what suddenly? Application  - has. R3> 6. I can twist something in OS what you there did not twist, and on  launched in  the page opened in the browser on  has application more , than html. R3> By the way, R3> 1. Closing of a site does not guarantee closing of all processes connected to a site well. But, application on  especially does not guarantee it. R3> 2.  does not guarantee any protection certainly is not present. But, and advertizing it cuts the most part of scripts R3> 3. Did not understand, how you  protects (probably, I do not know something; fairly) well  you tickets aboard the plane, for example... Or in the Internet shop something you buy. The server looks at yours ip and on yours user agent, frequency of your requests and offers you the price above. R3> 4. 5 Do not allow to make too, as scripts? R3> 5. You badly know the modern sites that they have no access to a computer directly "but, application on  especially does not guarantee it." R3> and it is not less important, it is necessary to compare identical users: if you the advanced user and  the browser, why other user not advanced and  application? Did not understand a question. What for to me to install and use  application? In an emphasis I will not understand.

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Hello, Pavel Dvorkin, you wrote: PD>>> I, for example. CCleaner at me costs. Well, truth, not 3 times a day. SK>> what for? Helps? There is a visible effect? PD> on phone is not present, but on it 3 Gb, for me it is a lot of. PD> on a pad - is. When starts to brake, I clear, brakes decrease And what for? You launch very few applications the Author: Pavel Dvorkin Date: 13.01 13:21 reliable sources to which you TRUST. Time you trust, hence you consider that all their actions are diligent, decent and useful.

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Hello, Stanislaw K, you wrote: SK> And what for? You launch very few applications the Author: Pavel Dvorkin Date: 13.01 13:21 from reliable sources to which you TRUST. Time you trust, hence you consider that all their actions are diligent, decent and useful. Do not urge on I quite I trust the programs and in Windows, but System Cleanup, I suppose, Microsoft made not of trust or mistrust reasons, and it is simple because on a disk, alas, the garbage accumulates. I too quite trust this garbage (if its trustable programs made), but it is not necessary to me, and operation is decelerated also by a place occupies.

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Hello, Pavel Dvorkin, you wrote: SK>> And what for? You launch very few applications the Author: Pavel Dvorkin Date: 13.01 13:21 from reliable sources to which you TRUST. Time you trust, hence you consider that all their actions are diligent, decent and useful. PD> do not urge on To me simply interesting, what for generally are necessary various . PD> I quite trust the programs and in Windows, but System Cleanup, I suppose, Microsoft made not of trust or mistrust reasons, and is simple because on a disk, alas, the garbage accumulates. I too quite trust this garbage (if its trustable programs made), but it is not necessary to me, and operation is decelerated also by a place occupies. At me the garbage accumulates only in %temp % and %download %. Curiosity for the sake of launched MS Disk Cleanup now. It found 63 mbytes of "garbage" from which 63Mb it is occupied thumbinals, and some points on less than 100 kilobyte everyone.

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PD> Client-server architecture. PD> and here for a desktop - almost such applications are not present. All still in the browser. What all? The question is not meaningful without sharing on classes of tasks. Bright brilliant is fashionable-youth  spams-distributors - for the mass sucker one-time "pay and disappear". Boring orthogonal with a considerable quantity of not clear buttons and windows without pictures - for the professional at whom it is the tool in its operation and which will thoroughly understand and to select investigating into an essence.

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Hello, Stanislaw K, you wrote: SK> it is simply interesting To me, what for generally are necessary various . You never can tell. Partly psychological - garbage it is necessary to carry out old pad Galaxy Tab At the wife - it really after cleaning works faster. My pad - like sometimes Phone - precisely is not present. But I clean PD>> quite I trust the programs and in Windows, but System Cleanup, I suppose, Microsoft made not of trust or mistrust reasons, and is simple because on a disk, alas, the garbage accumulates. I too quite trust this garbage (if its trustable programs made), but it is not necessary to me, and operation is decelerated also by a place occupies. SK> at me the garbage accumulates only in %temp % and %download %. At me the same. In TEMP sometimes I do in FAR (Big + - Shidt-F8) SK> Curiosity for the sake of launched MS Disk Cleanup now. It found 63 mbytes of "garbage" from which 63Mb it is occupied thumbinals, and some points on less than 100 kilobyte everyone. At me there happened more.

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Hello, Pavel Dvorkin, you wrote: SK>> it is simply interesting To me, what for generally are necessary various . PD> There is no saying. Partly psychological - garbage it is necessary to carry out Garbage appeared with a curve software of times win 3.11, NT, 95,98. A software for 2000/xp it was already sensible in the core it is designed, without garbage putting off. Ceased to appear since win7 when the system and a software stepped over some qualitative boundary. PD> at the wife old pad Galaxy Tab - it it is valid after cleaning works faster. PD> my pad - like sometimes PD> Phone - precisely is not present. But I clean At me there is no such statistics. More likely  do not render influence on mobile devices (if not to take cases of the terminated users daily reinstalling hundreds of doubtful aaplets). SK>> At me the garbage accumulates only in %temp % and %download %. PD> At me the same. In TEMP sometimes I do in FAR (Big + - Shidt-F8) At me %temp % on RAM a disk, it is cleaned automatically at reboot. In the core there  %cache % the place wrings out. SK>> curiosity for the sake of launched MS Disk Cleanup now. It found 63 mbytes of "garbage" from which 63Mb it is occupied thumbinals, and some points on less than 100 kilobyte everyone. PD> at me there happened more. If to eliminate thumbinals, these in total amount occupy some hundreds files less than mbyte. At the modern volumes of disks to save mbyte?

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Hello, Pavel Dvorkin, you wrote: PD> Hello, koenig, you wrote: K>> I think, it temporarily and soon mobile application we will recall as today  K>> at mobile applications the good channel of propagation, therefore they are still live, but it not for a long time. PD> I Think that is not present. They the last years blossomed terry color. Each serious firm considers as the debt to have mobile application for Android and IOS and appropriate buttons on the site "to Download from..." I agree that now it so but once all software was on a desktop, and then its fair piece crept away on a web. Why? Easier installation and administration, plus total control over the child why it crept away not when the web appeared, and later years 15? The web was not ready - the platform (a web for a desktop) was feeble, and to use to it were able badly as soon as the platform developed - everything, the desktop is compressed that your black hole, and it at all does not rescue what to write for it much easier, and resources it guzzles less now a platform (the web for ) already , in the browser is enough api-shek that majority of needs to cover, but 1) in  installation is better than a desktop, and they not so strongly lose to a web on this parameter 2) api-shki is, but to prepare them are able badly. Now average  somewhere in half cases is better than a site (some years ago it was better almost always). Soon we learn to do  mobile sites and everything, mobile  will be compressed as well as the desktop and each serious firm through a mobile site will work, and  the will be thrown by me here suffer that we have a mobile department, and I want to find operation where mobile phones will be on me () because now it like  is considered, but soon the market turns over also I will be the carrier become outdated (desktop web only)

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Hello, Stanislaw K, you wrote: SK> the Garbage appeared with a curve software of times win 3.11, NT, 95,98. A software for 2000/xp it was already sensible in the core it is designed, without garbage putting off. Ceased to appear since win7 when the system and a software stepped over some qualitative boundary. And what at you in TEMP sits? Here now came there and erased AdobeARM.log. It under a curve software approaches or not? SK> At me %temp % on RAM a disk, it is cleaned automatically at reboot. In the core there  %cache % the place wrings out. All it is good, but I do reboot of the machine about time in 2-3 weeks, and that more on demand Windows Update. And so I simply lull the machine. I just do not clean a brauzernyj cache (on a desktop). It would be desirable, that the browser nevertheless showed to me, where I already was (for the same RSDN). SK>>> Curiosity for the sake of launched MS Disk Cleanup now. It found 63 mbytes of "garbage" from which 63Mb it is occupied thumbinals, and some points on less than 100 kilobyte everyone. PD>> at me there happened more. SK> if to eliminate thumbinals, these some hundreds files in total amount occupy less than mbyte. At the modern volumes of disks to save mbyte? From TEMP manually sometimes I delete, and there occasionally about 200-300 MB . And about Disk Cleanup it I so, I also do not launch it.

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Hello, koenig, you wrote: K> soon we learn to do  mobile sites and everything, mobile  will be compressed as well as a desktop Yes them and so more or less learned to do. By the way, for that matter, that outwardly the mobile site of bank should look the same as mobile application. It on a desktop can be made differently, there the screen big, windows and everyones native  which are not present in a web. And here at 5.5"in effect, anything else also you will not invent. The matter is that  the reverse takes place. From mobile sites started to pass to mobile applications.

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PD> The matter is that  the reverse takes place. From mobile sites started to pass to mobile applications. Similar, at us strictly opposite judgements means, it is necessary to stake and wait

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Hello, Pavel Dvorkin, you wrote: SK>> the Garbage appeared with a curve software of times win 3.11, NT, 95,98. A software for 2000/xp it was already sensible in the core it is designed, without garbage putting off. Ceased to appear since win7 when the system and a software stepped over some qualitative boundary. PD> and what at you in TEMP sits? Various temporal files. The modern programs in the majority independently delete them behind themselves, on it all RAM a disk of 1024 Mb and still never was that it has been occupied more than on half. PD> here now came there and erased AdobeARM.log. It under a curve software approaches or not? It is Adobe. They, their approaches to software designing, and remained in 90. Whenever possible avoid to use their products. SK>> at me %temp % on RAM a disk, it is cleaned automatically at reboot. In the core there  %cache % the place wrings out. PD> All it is good, but I do reboot of the machine about time in 2-3 weeks, and that more on demand Windows Update. And so I simply lull the machine. Time in 2-3 weeks is  often. [] PD> Brauzernyj a cache I just do not clean a smilie (on a desktop). It would be desirable, that the browser nevertheless showed to me, where I already was (for the same RSDN). IT is stored in the history which lies in a browser user profile which lies in a computer user profile. That is, absolutely in other place. It at me on RAM a disk only because access to  on two orders faster than  SSD. Or ten orders more  HDD. And it, let and not much, influences speed of page display (to me so it seems). SK>> If to eliminate thumbinals, these some hundreds files in total amount occupy less than mbyte. At the modern volumes of disks to save mbyte? PD> From TEMP manually sometimes I delete, and there occasionally about 200-300 MB . And about Disk Cleanup it I so, I also do not launch it. Apprx.

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Hello, Stanislaw K, you wrote: SK> Various temporal files. The modern programs in the majority independently delete them behind themselves, on it all RAM a disk of 1024 Mb and still never was that it has been occupied more than on half. Well. By the way, there still any DLL from MS are permanently got. Plus any folders with names in the form of GUID from MS. Curves they there too https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/win … 90fe3cb8a5 PD>> Here now came there and erased AdobeARM.log. It under a curve software approaches or not? SK> It is Adobe. They, their approaches to software designing, and remained in 90. Whenever possible avoid to use their products. Yes I and so do not use, but here to Adobe Reader so got used, I do not want what to change. PD>> all it is good, but I do reboot of the machine about time in 2-3 weeks, and that more on demand Windows Update. And so I simply lull the machine. SK> time in 2-3 weeks is  often. Not I Meltdown invented [smilie]. Here the last time because of this patch also overloaded. And it was then clarified that this patch suits the dark blue screen. At me, fortunately, did not arrange, though by 2 machines AMD. PD>> a cache I just do not clean Brauzernyj (on a desktop). It would be desirable, that the browser nevertheless showed to me, where I already was (for the same RSDN). SK> IT is stored in the history which lies in a browser user profile which lies in a computer user profile. That is, absolutely in other place. I know. Simply we began talk with telephone , and they in the core  and clean this.> it at me on RAM a disk only because access to  on two orders faster than  SSD. Or ten orders more  HDD. And it, let and not much, influences speed of page display (to me so it seems). It is not assured. However, on display of pages (for fast sites, it is finite) I on a desktop have no brakes. On phone and a pad - still as. RBC on a pad it became almost impossible to look - they wound something there, my pad does not consult.

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Hello, Stanislaw K, you wrote: SK> For a desktop? Yes, if UWP it is possible so to name. SK> and it for setting/work probably also  the rights asks? Does not ask. SK> even without them probably has access to a folder of a profile of the user with all documents and pictures? When I the last time  under VinFon - there all am very rigid. Certainly, Vin10 this another. But . SK> in general, the public moral appearance of the owner-founder of THIS bank casts SOME shade on similar application. Yes to me to . I use and monthly in plus.

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Hello, Real 3L0, you wrote: R3> Hello, Pavel Dvorkin, you wrote: PD>> And here for a desktop - almost such applications are not present. All still in the browser. R3> you forgot the most serious problem. R3> in this connection a trend, in  now transfer even those applications which are calculated for constant usage. And authors of these applications of it at all do not understand -  and  on users. R3> wait MSVS in the browser. Visual Studios Online At me are permanently open  todoist and slack. Windows application Slack - the Electron with the dim text. At Todoist there is a choice between Microsoft Store application and the version not able to work from Program Files.

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Hello, Pavel Dvorkin, you wrote: PD> Why? It is more than platforms - well, on 1 it is more (Windows, Linux, MacOS). . 1. The web on mobile phones is inconvenient enough and . On a desktop of absolutely other level processors, storage and the sizes of screens. 2. Smart phones are at all. And here a desktop far not at everyone. 3. For mobile phones elimination of the left applications is carried out. For a desktop too many different problems with safety. 4. Vebnutoe application was general-purpose and can replace (with a scratch) and mobile versions. 5. To have mobile applications it is prestigious and fashionable. Normally people dare at creation of mobile versions making at first  the version and having convinced that on a desktop it works perfectly, and on mobile phones - is not present. Development  versions becomes a logical output. In general, for a desktop stupidly there is no need in the specialized version. There are problems with . And it is not fashionable.