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Hello, Pavel Dvorkin, you wrote: PD> It is state ascertaining, I with it do not argue. But why on mobile devices leave in an opposite direction? Yes do not leave anybody. Normally web versions and on devices work. And special do because in the small screen without  and mice in the web version very much not simply to work. And browsers are far from   and brake. I think is  it is added. Do the web version, but  from mobile phones complain. Plus fashionably. Here also decide to make mobile version.

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Hello, Pavel Dvorkin, you wrote: PD> Why? It is more than platforms - well, on 1 it is more (Windows, Linux, MacOS). . I do not see any conveniences in  application in  or  for bank.  it is convenient to open a browser window. Fee in 99 % of a case happens automatically on  electronic accounts. Simply I check once a month that the totals were adequate. Generally if to reflect, for last couple of years I almost do not use a desktop of application for operation.  the editor of photos, the browser, a player of music and video. And on operation normally code editor and various clients to databases. Well and it is a lot of chats: skype, skype for busines, hipchat

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Hello, Pavel Dvorkin, you wrote: PD> And here for a desktop - almost such applications are not present. All still in the browser. Because all on the contrary. Masters of a software would like to manage web applications. Stupidly because to service one application - is cheaper, than two (five, seven, etc.) . But possibilities of applications in mobile browsers so poor what to construct high-grade user interaction and other programs close to the impossible. Therefore all to whom more or less useful is necessary though something, are forced to write applications. Which frequently are still more poor, than  the web application from the same authors. Sometimes such need is caused not by real problems, and marketing. For example, the mobile site  is quite convenient. But he does not allow to hold the user on a short leash - because in iOS the web page cannot do push-notifikatsii. And without them to force the user  in fb 110 % of the free does not quit. Therefore  years ago disconnected a messenger on a mobile site, and imposes application for downloading. By the way, often such application is a hybrid. The jacket which is engaged in integration with a platform (these all here here touch ID, a data interchange with programs and an other hardcore) loads in itself the browser, which  UI on html+css+js. Thus, it is possible quickly  UI, without propagation of updates. The second argument against  applications - life cycle. Mobile platforms were projected at once under scenario optimization "to update all applications". Table - is not present. Everyone  spends tons of efforts to writing stable enough a car-apdejter which drags updates, and users successfully struggle with it because them enrages 150  in , guzzling 50 % CPU without visible favor. In the total, any booking.com does not risk to let out  the software version, understanding that then it is necessary to run for years for users, trying to convince them to deliver  for critical vulnerability.

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because when you work behind a computer it is possible and on a site normally to work, and when not behind a computer there is more conveniently a mobile application. Here also it turns out that  application is not especially necessary.   application is necessary when the durable operation behind it and when pluses from convenience of operation behind it exceed expenditures on its creation is supposed.

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Hello, Stanislaw K, you wrote: SK> it is simply interesting To me, what for generally are necessary various . Somehow time, I only  could delete any antivirus (like ; precisely not ). But installed for other reason. Sometimes informally it is required that to update the program, it is necessary to delete prior version absolutely, up to cleaning of branches . Here somehow any program was not updated for me, and this informal method really helped.

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Hello, Don Reba, you wrote: DR> At me are permanently open  todoist and slack. I can sympathize only. Possibly, you from web generation which did not find convenience of desktops-appendices.

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Hello, Sinclair, you wrote: S> But possibilities of applications in mobile browsers so poor what to construct high-grade user interaction and other programs close to the impossible. Why? In general, anyway same - 5.5", windows are not present. Who hinders to make the interface in mobile Chrome in accuracy same, as in mobile Bank? S> sometimes such need is caused not by real problems, and marketing. For example, the mobile site  is quite convenient. But he does not allow to hold the user on a short leash - because in iOS the web page cannot do push-notifikatsii. And without them to force the user  in fb 110 % of the free does not quit. Therefore  years ago disconnected a messenger on a mobile site, and imposes application for downloading. You think, if these  there were, would be differently? It is not assured. A devil, of course, in trifles, but somehow it too trifles. If they there would be very necessary - Apple would add them is that hinders? S> the second argument against  applications - life cycle. Mobile platforms were projected at once under scenario optimization "to update all applications". S> Table - is not present. Everyone  spends tons of efforts to writing stable enough a car-apdejter which drags updates, and users successfully struggle with it because them enrages 150  in , guzzling 50 % CPU without visible favor. On a mobile platform enrages not less.> in the total, any booking.com does not risk to let out  the software version, understanding that then it is necessary to run for years for users, trying to convince them to deliver  for critical vulnerability. +1

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Hello, MozgC, you wrote: MC> as Imho because when you work behind a computer it is possible and on a site normally to work, and when not behind a computer there is more conveniently a mobile application. It is the answer on type "more conveniently because more conveniently"> Here and it turns out that  application is not especially necessary.   application is necessary when the durable operation behind it and when pluses from convenience of operation behind it exceed expenditures on its creation is supposed. Oh, it is not assured completely not. With banking application in any kind I will work exactly so much, how many it is necessary for me for this or that operation, irrespective of something. And about the durable operation - sorry, but sitting in  etc. sit there occasionally on phone much more, than on a desktop.

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Hello, Pavel Dvorkin, you wrote: PD> Why? Upon and from safety. PD> in general, anyway same - 5.5", windows are not present. PD> Who hinders to make the interface in mobile Chrome in accuracy same, as in mobile Bank? Absence of access to a platform. PD> you think, if these  there were, would be differently? It is not assured. A devil, of course, in trifles, but somehow it too trifles. If they there would be very necessary - Apple would add them is that hinders? They are not necessary to Apple. They are necessary to Tsukerbergu to increase reviews  in . PD> On a mobile platform enrages not less. On a normal mobile platform of update are centralized. Instead of 150 , hanging in storage, there is exactly one which works under the schedule approved  of a platform. Krivoruky Petja does not make an error in version number comparing that it  dragged ones and a half  each hour because it seemed to it that "the new" version  itself.

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Hello, VladD2, you wrote: VD> 1. The web on mobile phones is inconvenient enough and . On a desktop of absolutely other level processors, storage and the sizes of screens. With the last I will agree without any dispute, and here about an inconvenient web - I would not tell. As here many stated that mobile application is a minibrowser. VD> 2. Smart phones are at all. And here a desktop far not at everyone. If I correctly understand, who does not have desktop, absolutely all the same, in what type the program will be on a desktop. So they here generally at anything. VD> 3. For mobile phones elimination of the left applications is carried out. For a desktop too many different problems with safety. Here lines knows. I trust the Windows to applications, rather than applications of Androida much more. The first (classical) at least do not ask access to the list of security accounts on my computer, to my directory Thunderbird. And it is easy neither that, nor another do not receive. And the list of my phones it for what not to receive because it simply is not present. And the second for some reason ask it, and it is necessary to give, at least in versions of Androida <5. And in later versions, in general, too (though it is controlled, but it is not assured completely not that all users well understand that here it is necessary to do). P.S. Only sent - and on you https://www.rbc.ru/technology_and_media … m=newsfeed VD> 4. Vebnutoe application was general-purpose and can replace (with a scratch) and mobile versions. I as the argument in a subject did not understand it. Well can, I do not argue, but that from this in respect of what mobile applications, instead of web prefer? VD> 5. To have mobile applications it is prestigious and fashionable. Here it is serious argument. It is necessary to understand only - why fashionably mobile applications, instead of mobile versions of sites.

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To that-that a mode on a web, in my opinion absolutely not not justified, on mobile phones this mode demands too big victims, on desktops the mode on a web is less blood-thirsty.

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Hello, Pavel Dvorkin, you wrote: PD> With the last I will agree without any dispute, and here about an inconvenient web - I would not tell. As here many stated that mobile application is a minibrowser. The sizes of the screen is already sufficient argument. To make a web application which it would be convenient in a browser not simply and it pours out in separate development. And considering that from the Web to use different tach-technologies inconveniently people and make decision to saw the spets-decision. Add here access to services like  and the question by itself disappears. PD> if I correctly understand, who does not have desktop, absolutely all the same, in what type the program will be on a desktop. So they here generally at anything. It was the answer to a question "why smart odds are selected". VD>> 3. For mobile phones elimination of the left applications is carried out. For a desktop too many different problems with safety. PD> here lines knows. I trust the Windows to applications, rather than applications of Androida much more. All all the same on that that you there to yourself think. Applications installed of  are checked; have a reliable source (itself ); work in  (cannot do much harm another applications or climb in their storage;) have the list of resolution of access to OS resources (you can read that can do application). Therefore from  people put applications where  (are not afraid). In general it concerns and Vindovomu . But application for it is not so normal application and it will work only on ten.  application will work everywhere. PD> the First (classical) at least do not ask access to the list of security accounts on my computer, to my directory Thunderbird. And what to ask that? They and so have possibility to take that want. Unless access rights on files can prevent yes access level of the user. PD> And it is easy neither that, nor another do not receive. And the list of my phones it for what not to receive because it simply is not present. Ofigitelnyj argument. It means that application cannot give any functionality. PD> and the second for some reason ask it, and it is necessary to give, at least in versions of Androida <5. And in later versions, in general, too (though it is controlled, but it is not assured completely not that all users well understand that here it is necessary to do). Authors ask not for some reason, and what for. If the program requests something, it means uses this functional of OS. In Vidne to you all  are accessible a priori. And to ask sense is not present. And that that in it something is not present, so its this restriction, instead of restriction of the rights of the program. PD> P.S. Only sent - and on you PD> https://www.rbc.ru/technology_and_media … m=newsfeed Only this trojan still needs to be delivered on phone. And for this purpose it is necessary to deliver left apk from the left site and to ungear the prohibition of it in OS.  applications have all these possibilities . And to catch a trojan absolutely not mandatory to put something. It is enough to open the nested letter in worthless , and even it is stupid to come on a nasty site. PD> I as the argument in a subject did not understand it. Well can, I do not argue, but that from this in respect of what mobile applications, instead of web prefer? Normally web applications appear much earlier. For example at the Savings Bank so was.  I and do not use that their client as the web variant suits me. PD> here it is serious argument. It is necessary to understand only - why fashionably mobile applications, instead of mobile versions of sites. To understand a mode senselessly. It from a series. "All ran also I ran."

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IB> to That-that a mode on a web Not a mode. Both for the user and for the master of a software continuous advantage. But development yes, that still a haemoplenty.

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_> Not a mode. Both for the user and for the master of a software continuous advantage. But development yes, that still a haemoplenty. Advantage in what? If development hemorrhoids, means it expensive, and it means on the contrary a loss for the user and for the master of a software.

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_>> Not a mode. Both for the user and for the master of a software continuous advantage. But development yes, that still a haemoplenty. IB> advantage in what? If development hemorrhoids, means it expensive, and it means on the contrary a loss for the user and for the master of a software. For me as for the user - it is not necessary to install, do anything backup copies - login, the password and forward. Recently houses the screw was covered, an axis delivered also all -  applications are already ready to operation! For the master convenience of update, user support.

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IB>> Advantage in what? _> For me as for the user - it is not necessary to install anything It agree, it is a minus  applications. 1) Instaljator demands time for setting + is necessary time to download itself . But with magnification of speed of the Internet and high-speed performance of computers these lacks become insignificant. 2) Instaljator often demands  the rights. It is possible to do such  which do not demand. Adjustments to store not in the system registry, and in a cloud. To request additional resolutions as required in the course of application operation, as in Android. 3) After installation the distribution kit remains on a disk. It is possible to download at each application launch the distribution kit anew. As a matter of fact to launch the distribution kit from a network source. Today's speed of the Internet will be small for the such. _> to do backup copies - login, the password and forward All adjustments in a cloud and it is not necessary any backup copies. _> for the master convenience of update, user support. Now the majority  applications check and download updates. A problem besides in speed. In this business a web nevertheless faster.

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IB> Now the majority  applications check and download updates. A problem besides in speed. In this business a web nevertheless faster. For me speed of start is not too important, absence superfluous , even small is important. Life and so there was too difficult, a storage already worthless, would not be desirable to strain it on trifles. I will prefer the program with a smaller functional in the browser, than heaped more up on a desktop.

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Hello, Pavel Dvorkin, you wrote: PD> Client-server architecture. Such applications in bulk, it is simple they are not calculated for the mass user. A software, which purpose to help the user to create the new information or to control something, normally works on a desktop. In the market of the mass applications, which purpose to be accessible on any devices, the rules. You suggest mechanics of the cargoship to download application on  to track a state of engines? No, certainly.